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 dannyboy1978  10 Oct 19 4.40pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Ah, unfortunately for us the puypes are once again playin. This time with even more exclamation marks than usual. Leaving the EU will make little difference to illegal immigration. If that was the core driver of your vote then good luck with that. Of coarse it won't so the insinuation from remoaners that leaving will increase illegals is mute. Will it slow legal entry ? hopfully and stats so far suggest that
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 SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 10 Oct 19 5.37pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Of coarse it won't so the insinuation from remoaners that leaving will increase illegals is mute. Will it slow legal entry ? hopfully and stats so far suggest that Not on it's own, I highly doubt it. Slowing is likely due to the uncertainty and initial feelings of doubt from those who might have been thinking about moving here, sends a message in more ways than one. Once things are resolved, either way, I'd be amazed if immigration did not return back to the same levels. In fact I'd expect a record bounce for the first few months post resolution as people who have been putting it off decide to come once things are clear one way or another. The only thing that will slow it is a points based system, which I am in favour of if implemented sensibly (unlikely with PP in charge, no time for her at all) but we have to have the flexibility from the EU in the event of a deal to do this. Obviously with a no-deal it should be OK depending what happens in negotiations after we leave. Incidentally, has anyone actually thought about the (admittedly remote) possibility that Boris is going to no-deal only to immediately resume talks and end up with a deal not too far from what's on the table now? Essentially covers him from all angles of attack, as the inevitable disruption will play into his hands from a party and public point of view when he has to resume talks with the EU over trade.
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cryrst  The garden of England 10 Oct 19 5.38pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
So Remainers are concerned that if an EU citizen does not register they could be deported. So far nearly half of all EU citizens have received settled status and we haven't even left yet. They have at least 1 year more to do so, possibly more. The government has said if people miss the deadline and have a valid reason they will be treated sympathetically. The number of people who have had their request rejected is running at 0.5% which I think is pretty good although if you are a Remain politician it's a national disaster. It sounds like most of the rejections are due to incomplete or incorrectly filled out forms so just try again. Meanwhile the politicians who are so exercised over the new "Windrush" can't be bothered to ask how many UK nationals living in the EU have been granted settled status in return. I'd like to know that so far all I have heard is the very few EU countries even have a scheme. But what the heck as far as remain politicians are concerned its always the UK's fault each and every time, hang on there's a song for that "Its never your fault..." 3 eu countries I believe.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Oct 19 6.04pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Ah, unfortunately for us the puypes are once again playin. This time with even more exclamation marks than usual. Leaving the EU will make little difference to illegal immigration. If that was the core driver of your vote then good luck with that. Seconded. If it makes any difference it would be to make it worse.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 10 Oct 19 6.09pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Like Moldova and Turkey and other countries outside the EU who are not likely to be in the EU in my lifetime despite the transparent bollox cited by the leave campaign. And what has this to do with knife crime by teenagers of commonwealth extraction? And since you insist on maintaining this off topic point if you go to Blackpool hartlepool or Carlisle the perpetrators of knife crime are all home grown whiteys. What a lot of old baloney.
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| W12 10 Oct 19 6.10pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Haha. So testy. As I laid out, I'm not saying for one minute all of what he's saying is true, but some of it has to have basis in fact considering it's drawn from multiple sources. The 'experts' patter applies to both sides as an attempt to discredit reasoned argument and it fails every time. It's not a useful mechanism to debate, it is however a useful mechanism to deflect. There's also no way you can definitively say remaining or leaving is either a benefit or negative at this stage. Let's see how it plays out – but whoever ends up wrong, they really should learn to accept it rather than simply using the Trump playbook of deflect and discredit wherever possible. Also, love it when either side does the exact thing they get so annoyed at one another for doing. Try having an objective point of view rather than an emotive one, yeah? Also where does anyone suggest we won't be trading with them? I can point you to plenty of sources that tell you how they will be trading with us, and in a no-deal scenario it certainly won't be better terms than we have now. That is a truth, deny it as much as you like. Then we're back to my original point which was... global trade deals may not be as profitable as a certain group of individuals might have thought. Source? A guy who is no doubt putting a hefty remain slant on his contribution, but one who knows a lot more than most, if not all people chatting overly emotive, unsubstantiated dross on this thread. I’m no longer interested in reasoning with people who would still support remain. They can all go and phuck themselves
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| Hrolf The Ganger 10 Oct 19 6.10pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Seconded. If it makes any difference it would be to make it worse. How and why?
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| Spiderman Horsham 10 Oct 19 6.34pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
So Remainers are concerned that if an EU citizen does not register they could be deported. So far nearly half of all EU citizens have received settled status and we haven't even left yet. They have at least 1 year more to do so, possibly more. The government has said if people miss the deadline and have a valid reason they will be treated sympathetically. The number of people who have had their request rejected is running at 0.5% which I think is pretty good although if you are a Remain politician it's a national disaster. It sounds like most of the rejections are due to incomplete or incorrectly filled out forms so just try again. But what the heck as far as remain politicians are concerned its always the UK's fault each and every time, hang on there's a song for that "Its never your fault..." Also if an EU couple have a child born in the UK, that child has an automatic right to a British passport...try deporting parents of a British child
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| Spiderman Horsham 10 Oct 19 6.38pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
So if you have a European passport you cant come and go to the UK then ? Yes but within Schengen you dont necessarily need a passport
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 10 Oct 19 6.57pm |
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Originally posted by W12
I’m no longer interested in reasoning with people who would still support remain. They can all go and phuck themselves Probably for the best.
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| silvertop Portishead 10 Oct 19 8.37pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Imagine your last word started with a letter b. I'm white. Oprah rules apply.
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| silvertop Portishead 10 Oct 19 8.41pm |
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Originally posted by W12
He's also a traitorous asshole who went to the EU for "legal advice". He's full of s***. You remoaners love your so called "experts" no matter how often they turn out to be completely wrong. Anyone at this stage who thinks staying in the EU is a net positive has just turned their brain off and are just running on ideology or fear of being proved wrong. Who the hell do you think the EU are going to sell all their stuff to, that they are currently selling to us? Aliens? Edited by W12 (10 Oct 2019 4.26pm) Traitor to what?
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| W12 10 Oct 19 9.07pm | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Traitor to what? Loyal to what?
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 10 Oct 19 9.19pm |
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Originally posted by W12
Loyal to what? That lasted long.
Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons. |
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Oct 19 11.26pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
How and why? I did explain a few posts back. If we leave without a deal and threatening the EU that we will cause them disruption then we can hardly expect enthusiastic co-operation in return. For sure they will try to keep their trade with us flowing as it's in their interests, but trying to stop the illegals leaving France, or taking them back again if they are intercepted? Maybe it won't make any difference but if it did it would only get worse.
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| Maine Eagle USA 11 Oct 19 9.57am |
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Brexit inches ever closer to the scrap heap via a second referendum. Happy days.
Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha. |
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 11 Oct 19 10.30am |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Brexit inches ever closer to the scrap heap via a second referendum. Happy days. Although at this rate nothing can be ruled out, I really don't see a second referendum happening. If Boris manages to get a deal that is viable and Labour vote against it simply because of partisan reasons, then a lot of people will be majorly pissed off. Including me.
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| cryrst The garden of England 11 Oct 19 10.32am |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Brexit inches ever closer to the scrap heap via a second referendum. Happy days. A stitch up vote with 3 options.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 11 Oct 19 10.51am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Although at this rate nothing can be ruled out, I really don't see a second referendum happening. If Boris manages to get a deal that is viable and Labour vote against it simply because of partisan reasons, then a lot of people will be majorly pissed off. Including me. Agreed. We have a hung parliament even if they can agree the question and even if the vote is clear result we still have a hung parliament. A 2nd referendum will not allow for the nuances required what if you want a clean Brexit and the options are just a Boris deal or Remain etc. My hope is that Boris gets a deal which enough MPs decide is okay and then shortly after that we have a GE. I suspect that this is Corbyn's private view as well. A post Brexit GE allows Labour to focus on anything but Brexit Corbyn will feel that he is stronger in the traditional politics and Remainers who might have voted Lib Dem may come back to the Labour party. A 2nd referendum before a GE will just end up in the law courts with all sorts of people me included arguing we are being disenfranchised. And what if the turnout is low but in favour of Brexit will the Remain side accept it? I very doubt it. I shall judge Boris on the outcome of his deal, assuming he gets one, have we taken back control? If not then it's a no from.
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