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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 03 May 19 9.50am |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Your support for him and recycling of his personal twitter rants and his sycophants talking points is also certainly a source of amusement for me, Stirlingsays. There you go again, having a pop and Mueller. "He spent 20 mil" and "He has nothing". Total garbage, man. Its a pack of lies. Investigations cost what they cost. He had a remit and he delivered on it. Holding Mueller personally accountable for the cost of the investigation is the argument of a 3 year old - you are smarter than that I think. As for not having anything, I must ask again, for the 3rd time, and I hope you may now answer: Have you read the Mueller report? If you want to opine on it, unlike Lindsay Graham, you should read the thing first. Graham did provide possibly the finest moment in a congressional hearing in the history of the world though, so fair play to him: As for Biden, Trump is s***ting his pants about the fire fighters union and so he should. That is pure Trump blue collar base and they have announced for Biden. As I have said before, even Hillary f***ing Clinton won the popular vote. Biden will be in good shape to end the clown show. I have just looked at this thread for the first time in a while, as I get bored reading the comments from those trying to defend the indefensible and repeating the Goebbels like propaganda that emerges on Trump's Twitter and Fox every day. The idea that the US economy is doing well because of Trump is always good for a laugh. It's good though to read your contributions which state the truth as I, and I suspect most objective, observers see it. Barr is acting as Trump's personal attorney and not as the AJ of the USA. Supported by the GOP, Fox and Trump himself Barr is trying to whitewash the report and consign it to history asap. In doing do he appears to gradually be painting himself into a corner of his own making. I am not so sure that the Dems asking for the unredacted report is sensible. If any of that got out into public view it could screw up the ongoing cases which could then impact the chances of getting to the truth on Trump himself. Better to work with what they have and let the cases proceed. Having Mueller testify is going to be interesting.
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 03 May 19 12.20pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I have just looked at this thread for the first time in a while, as I get bored reading the comments from those trying to defend the indefensible and repeating the Goebbels like propaganda that emerges on Trump's Twitter and Fox every day. The idea that the US economy is doing well because of Trump is always good for a laugh. It's good though to read your contributions which state the truth as I, and I suspect most objective, observers see it. Barr is acting as Trump's personal attorney and not as the AJ of the USA. Supported by the GOP, Fox and Trump himself Barr is trying to whitewash the report and consign it to history asap. In doing do he appears to gradually be painting himself into a corner of his own making. I am not so sure that the Dems asking for the unredacted report is sensible. If any of that got out into public view it could screw up the ongoing cases which could then impact the chances of getting to the truth on Trump himself. Better to work with what they have and let the cases proceed. Having Mueller testify is going to be interesting. You are permanantly on here mate !!!
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cryrst  The garden of England 03 May 19 1.29pm |
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Trump has made america great again.
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| Invalid user 2019 03 May 19 2.06pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
A very conversative estimate of the value of proceeds of crime, assets and so on, from Paul Manafort alone is $30 million, so the investigation either cost nothing or made a sizeable profit for the treasury.
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| Stirlingsays 03 May 19 2.10pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
A very conversative estimate of the value of proceeds of crime, assets and so on, from Paul Manafort alone is million, so the investigation either cost nothing or made a sizeable profit for the treasury. I'm very much of the view that you don't require the Mueller investigation to persecute Paul Manafort. If the FBI cared about criminality amongst the business class thirty million would be a drop in the ocean.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 May 19 2.15pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
You are permanantly on here mate !!! Permanently logged in, yes! Reading something on the site, daily. Reading this thread, not for a week or two. Sorry to disappoint!
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| Invalid user 2019 03 May 19 2.21pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm very much of the view that you don't require the Mueller investigation to persecute Paul Manafort. If the FBI cared about criminality amongst the business class thirty million would be a drop in the ocean. And yet he seems to have breezed through his entire life without any such thing happening until he entered the eye of the storm. My point was that if we're going to have a mantra about the cost of something, it useful to state that it's a very incomplete reading of the cost in real terms. But that's what politics of absolutely all shades is now, picking sides and omitting information. We don't live in a time where a nuanced reading of anything is seen as something that gets you anywhere and so people don't bother.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 May 19 2.31pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm very much of the view that you don't require the Mueller investigation to persecute Paul Manafort. You don't persecute criminals like Manafort. You prosecute them. What was discovered about him was an important side shoot of the main investigation. He could have alleviated his pain by keeping to the deal he struck, but he decided to renege on it. Whether because of an understanding he reached with Trump, or because of the code of silence that exists around high level criminals, we will probably never know. If the FBI cared about criminality amongst the business class thirty million would be a drop in the ocean. The FBI do care. Caring, knowing the truth and proving things in a Court of law and beyond any reasonable doubt to ensure conviction, are all different. You have only to remember Al Capone to understand that. I am glad though that you agree that $30 million would be cheap to achieve it as I sincerely hope Trump finds out in due course.
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| Stirlingsays 03 May 19 2.36pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
And yet he seems to have breezed through his entire life without any such thing happening until he entered the eye of the storm. My point was that if we're going to have a mantra about the cost of something, it useful to state that it's a very incomplete reading of the cost in real terms. But that's what politics of absolutely all shades is now, picking sides and omitting information. We don't live in a time where a nuanced reading of anything is seen as something that gets you anywhere and so people don't bother. Yep, that's true, but you kind of did this yourself with the Manafort point as I'm sure I do all the time myself. Your point about people's lack of objectivity is also true. However, wouldn't you consider true objectivity as an impossibility anyway? As all opinion is subject to inherent biases and subjectivity isn't it better to recognize that 'truth' and 'right' or 'wrong' are perspective constructs and hence the idea that we can have a universal commentary on anything...outside of sheer blind statistics..... is flawed. Hence I've grown to accept the adversary system as probably the better way to see the world. It leads to conflict that's true but that is a truer reflection of human nature than the misplaced concept of a 'truth'. So I say 'pick a side' but just try to be as fair about it as you personally can be.....pretending that there is this impartial fence that we can sit on is illusionary. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 May 2019 2.38pm)
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| Maine Eagle USA 03 May 19 2.42pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Announced for Biden? How can anyone announce for Biden, are you talking about the democratic candidacy? Personally I kind of hope that the Democrats choose Biden.....it'll be a lot of fun. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 May 2019 12.45pm) Calling Mueller a never Trumper is just a bald faced Trumpian lie. He is a career republican. He never once criticized Trump or treated him unfairly throughout the entire process. Calling Mueller a never Trumper is lazy and totally false. Announced for Biden meaning the firefighters union has.........announced for Biden:
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 May 19 2.46pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Trump has made america great again. Trump has divided America like no other before him. America was always great and has remained so despite Trump, although he has made it the current laughing stock of the developed world. Wish we had a strong leader like that. Iam very glad we don't! Trump isn't strong! He is narcissistic, obsessive, sociopath who appeals to a certain type of unsophisticated, unworldly American and those in the wealthy classes who can benefit from them. The last one was maggie. Thatcher was a mixed blessing but compared to Trump she was a paragon of virtue. No-one, how ever much they disliked her politics, would ever have accused her of being immoral, a criminal, a constant liar, etc, etc .
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| Stirlingsays 03 May 19 2.51pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Calling Mueller a never Trumper is just a bald faced Trumpian lie. He is a career republican. He never once criticized Trump or treated him unfairly throughout the entire process. Calling Mueller a never Trumper is lazy and totally false. Announced for Biden meaning the firefighters union has.........announced for Biden: The link doesn't appear to work. Anyway, 'never Trumper' or not, Mueller and co just pulled a nice little earner off the tax payer for a couple of years. Same old, same old.
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| dannyboy1978 03 May 19 3.01pm |
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Well done Donald, I can hear the trump haters now. But but but he is a horrible man....blahhhh
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| Invalid user 2019 03 May 19 4.06pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yep, that's true, but you kind of did this yourself with the Manafort point as I'm sure I do all the time myself.
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Your point about people's lack of objectivity is also true. However, wouldn't you consider true objectivity as an impossibility anyway? As all opinion is subject to inherent biases and subjectivity isn't it better to recognize that 'truth' and 'right' or 'wrong' are perspective constructs and hence the idea that we can have a universal commentary on anything...outside of sheer blind statistics..... is flawed. Hence I've grown to accept the adversary system as probably the better way to see the world. It leads to conflict that's true but that is a truer reflection of human nature than the misplaced concept of a 'truth'. So I say 'pick a side' but just try to be as fair about it as you personally can be.....pretending that there is this impartial fence that we can sit on is illusionary. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 May 2019 2.38pm) I see your point in that at an extreme of being objective, it could be said that it'd be hard to really strive for anything on a national level, politically. That approach at extremes could even be vaguely spiritual. Then again, circumspect types often wield a decent amount of power and influence because inevitably nations find themselves very split down the middle. Even in ultra polarised countries like the US you get the popular Joe Rogan types, people who refuse to fully opt in to an us vs them outlook and are rightly attributed a level of authenticity due to that. Values based primarily on a human level hold true in unstable political moments where many are more inclined to lose touch with core values in order to push for preferred political outcome. The more politically polarised and amendment people are, the more willing they are to treat good people that are not aligned with them badly. The same applies to religion really.
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| Invalid user 2019 03 May 19 4.13pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Well done Donald, I can hear the trump haters now. But but but he is a horrible man....blahhhh One of the more interesting aspects of his presidency is the spanner in the works effect. Looking again at trade agreements and the like was unlikely to be something any other president would've done in a hurry. The USD being the world's reserve currency isolates them in a way giving more leeway to call the shots. Better to try to explore these possibilities now than a future where China may be top of the pile.
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| Stirlingsays 03 May 19 5.12pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
In a sense but it would seem that it's relevant so was worth pointing out. It adds more completeness than it removes. I see your point in that at an extreme of being objective, it could be said that it'd be hard to really strive for anything on a national level, politically. That approach at extremes could even be vaguely spiritual. Then again, circumspect types often wield a decent amount of power and influence because inevitably nations find themselves very split down the middle. Even in ultra polarised countries like the US you get the popular Joe Rogan types, people who refuse to fully opt in to an us vs them outlook and are rightly attributed a level of authenticity due to that. Values based primarily on a human level hold true in unstable political moments where many are more inclined to lose touch with core values in order to push for preferred political outcome. The more politically polarised and amendment people are, the more willing they are to treat good people that are not aligned with them badly. The same applies to religion really. Yep, an intelligent and insightful post. I also agree on Rogan. I can see why Joe Rogan has become so popular in his job. He manages the role of sitting in multiple camps very well in different podcasts and you can see his core politics as being quite mixed up. There is this core of masculine libertarian left mixed in with a kind of independent republicanism. He has that ability to be almost politically and socially promiscuous. I don't offer that up as a criticism because I think societies needs figures like that to provide at least some balance to the more polarised extremes. He can talk to very different people and shares aspects with most of them, which for his job means he doesn't become the sole property of one side of a social or political perspective.
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| cryrst The garden of England 03 May 19 5.16pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
-Unemployment rate at lowest point since 1969 -Record low African American/Hispanic/Asian unemployment -Lowest unemployment rate for women since 1953 -Quickest wage growth for workers in 10 years Exactly
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 03 May 19 5.17pm |
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But he hasn't released his tax returns! -.-'
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| Maine Eagle USA 03 May 19 5.29pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The link doesn't appear to work. Anyway, 'never Trumper' or not, Mueller and co just pulled a nice little earner off the tax payer for a couple of years. Was a link to the firefighters announcing they will endorse Biden for POTUS, you can google that one though. Bad news for Trump as military, fireman and cops are his bread and butter types. Its a hammer blow for trump and he knows it, hence his attacks on Biden already. You are dead wrong on Mueller and his report, as you often are, Stirlingsays. You seem to be like Trump in that regard, trying to smear Mueller and his report. Trying to insinuate Mueller is out to get Trump. Total and complete hogwash and I think you know it. Like Trump, you seem unable to accept that: A - The investigation was 100% called for Mueller did his job. No more, no less. He did his job, quietly, fastidiously, carefully and meticulously. Something apparently Trump and his fans cannot get their heads around. He held his tongue while the President of the United States personally attacked him for months on end and dragged his name through the mud. Imagine how that feels as a decorated and venerated war hero and career DOJ servant? As he dragged comrades off the battlefield in Vietnam, winning the purple heart, bronze star and others, he probably never expected that one day the president would insult and snear at him. While cowardly rich parasites like Trump dodged the draft with fake medical records paid for handsomely, Mueller was bravely serving his country and becoming a revered leader of men. What he did was do his job and investige the rape of the American voting system by Russia which to this day, the liar in chief refuses to admit helped him get elected. It doesnt take a genius to realize Trump wants that illegal help again in 2020.
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