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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 22 Sep 16 12.35pm

Originally posted by OknotOK

Corbyn's own ex-wife not voting for him doesn't exactly bode well for the judgement of those who know him best.

Owen Smith has effectively admitted he has lost. Corbyn will probably walk away with a slightly reduced mandate but largely unchanged. And we'll have to play this game all the way to the next election, when either the entire media and polling organisations will be shown to have been completely wrong and Corbyn will win, or Labour will pick up 26%-28% of the vote and be effectively crushed.

Edited by OknotOK (22 Sep 2016 12.28pm)

Of course

Of course his wife doesn't like him looking at the clothes she buys for him.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 22 Sep 16 1.22pm

Originally posted by OknotOK

Corbyn's own ex-wife not voting for him doesn't exactly bode well for the judgement of those who know him best.

Owen Smith has effectively admitted he has lost. Corbyn will probably walk away with a slightly reduced mandate but largely unchanged. And we'll have to play this game all the way to the next election, when either the entire media and polling organisations will be shown to have been completely wrong and Corbyn will win, or Labour will pick up 26%-28% of the vote and be effectively crushed.

Edited by OknotOK (22 Sep 2016 12.28pm)

Because women should be dutiful and have only the opinions and beliefs their husbands let them have?

His mandate won't change. The mandate is established by winning the vote, not by the percentage. There is also something of an issue with how the Labour Party went about securing the exclusion of certain new member voters that should probably be investigated for corrupt practices.

I suspect that when all is done and dusted, Labour won't win the general election, but that the vote won't be significantly worse than the last two elections.

Whilst Labour might lose some ground to the liberal democrats, they could potentially pick up votes from UKIP and the Greens with a strong left wing candidate with a working class ticket.


 


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Stirlingsays Flag 22 Sep 16 1.31pm

Corbyn is anti EU as an organisation for very respectable democratic reasons. Still he's extremely pro immigration.....So his impact on Ukip voters is likely to be insignificant.

This said I think that Ukip will find that most of its supporters go back to their natural homes now as the main target has been achieved.

Mind you that could all change if immigration numbers stay in the net hundreds of thousands.

England, minus London voted for a change.

 


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OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 22 Sep 16 2.24pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Because women should be dutiful and have only the opinions and beliefs their husbands let them have?

His mandate won't change. The mandate is established by winning the vote, not by the percentage. There is also something of an issue with how the Labour Party went about securing the exclusion of certain new member voters that should probably be investigated for corrupt practices.

I suspect that when all is done and dusted, Labour won't win the general election, but that the vote won't be significantly worse than the last two elections.

Whilst Labour might lose some ground to the liberal democrats, they could potentially pick up votes from UKIP and the Greens with a strong left wing candidate with a working class ticket.


No because of the reasons she gave for not voting for him (and given she voted for him in the last leadership election) - that he had been poor as a leader to date and that his political views were translating poorly and looked out of date. If someone who cares for him and has admitted to still feeling loyalty towards him can't bring themselves to vote for him it doesn't look great for him.

Honestly I am not sure what I believe in terms of the magnitude of the expected loss for Corbyn/Labour. Everything he stands for polls as popular but he personally polls very poorly and the party is polling in line.

28% of the vote, with no recovery in Scotland, and they'd lose another 30 seats. It would be a very poor result.

Corbyn's affect on UKIP supporters depends upon your confidence in his ability to win the argument over the cause of their unease. UKIP managed to convince many voters that the source of much of their unhappiness with the status quo was the EU. Much better debaters than Corbyn failed to turn that argument around.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 23 Sep 16 7.32pm

Please can I say thank you to the Labour Party.

Who you are electing as leader tomorrow guarantees a generation of, not always perfect but nonetheless, Tory government.

Enjoy your 'circle jerk' on who is the most leftie of you, even though none of you canvassed for Labour at the last General Election.

 


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banbandanas Flag Birmingham 23 Sep 16 8.46pm

At least the electorate will have a real choice in the next general election, instead of the very similar centrist/liberal offerings of the main parties in recent years. Mind you, I'm pretty sure what choice they will make.

 

Mr_Gristle Flag In the land of Whelk Eaters 23 Sep 16 11.37pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Please can I say thank you to the Labour Party.

Who you are electing as leader tomorrow guarantees a generation of, not always perfect but nonetheless, Tory government.

Enjoy your 'circle jerk' on who is the most leftie of you, even though none of you canvassed for Labour at the last General Election.

Possibly because at the last election the labour party was still somewhere to the right of the Lib-Dems?

And I know how to circle strafe with the best of them (well, maybe I did 15 years ago when I still had fast twitch skills, anyway)

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 24 Sep 16 8.34am

Done. Finished. Jeremy is going to win. It's time for Owen Smith to dissappear back into obscurity and for Angela Eagle to remain there.
This failed coup has been an absolute joke from start to finish at great expense in both terms of cost and polls to The Labour Party. The very people causing division and infighting, those writing off newly politically engaged members as lunatic, half whitted, far left communists are the ones who've had the audacity to call for unity.
These said same people accuse Jeremy Corbyn of being stuck in the past. Apparently fairness is an oudated concept now. What a sad day for Socialism.
Being "stuck in the past" is also hanging on to past glories. It's irrelevant now whether Labour won 3 terms of 15, the political, economic and social landscape has changed beyond recognition. People are fed up with politicians, their 2 grand suits, their power gestures, their lies and their sound bites. We're sick of the massive divide between the rich and poor. We're sick of enforced austerity and cleaning up the messes of the wealthiest and most importantly we're waking up.
Yes, Blair won three terms. Brown didn't though and who in their right would have voted for Milliband? I didn't hear much critism of him being unelectable from within though.

Maybe we should remember what the polls said about his chances?

Well. Jeremy will win. Again. I suggest that those calling for unity whether faux or real eat their words and stand together behind their democratically elected leader, the "unelectable" Jeremy Corbyn, or respectfully stand down and join a party that aligns with their personal choice of policies. After all, this new movement doesn't need anymore criticism from within if it is succeed and be an effective opposition, so, in short, put up or shut up. It's really that simple.

 

Hoof Hearted 24 Sep 16 10.18am

Yes Jeremy will win.

But his victory is akin to two bald men fighting over a comb.

As Matt pointed out above, Labour have ensured a Tory victory in 2020 and probably beyond.

Losing so many seats to the SNP in Scotland and then appointing Corbyn as leader and Abbott & McDonnell as deputies has pretty much ruined any credibility the party had left in England and Wales.

The LibDems have more credibility now.

 

banbandanas Flag Birmingham 24 Sep 16 10.28am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Done. Finished. Jeremy is going to win. It's time for Owen Smith to dissappear back into obscurity and for Angela Eagle to remain there.
This failed coup has been an absolute joke from start to finish at great expense in both terms of cost and polls to The Labour Party. The very people causing division and infighting, those writing off newly politically engaged members as lunatic, half whitted, far left communists are the ones who've had the audacity to call for unity.
These said same people accuse Jeremy Corbyn of being stuck in the past. Apparently fairness is an oudated concept now. What a sad day for Socialism.
Being "stuck in the past" is also hanging on to past glories. It's irrelevant now whether Labour won 3 terms of 15, the political, economic and social landscape has changed beyond recognition. People are fed up with politicians, their 2 grand suits, their power gestures, their lies and their sound bites. We're sick of the massive divide between the rich and poor. We're sick of enforced austerity and cleaning up the messes of the wealthiest and most importantly we're waking up.
Yes, Blair won three terms. Brown didn't though and who in their right would have voted for Milliband? I didn't hear much critism of him being unelectable from within though.

Maybe we should remember what the polls said about his chances?

Well. Jeremy will win. Again. I suggest that those calling for unity whether faux or real eat their words and stand together behind their democratically elected leader, the "unelectable" Jeremy Corbyn, or respectfully stand down and join a party that aligns with their personal choice of policies. After all, this new movement doesn't need anymore criticism from within if it is succeed and be an effective opposition, so, in short, put up or shut up. It's really that simple.

I agree that Labour should now get on with it, just like the Remainers bemoaning Brexit should get on with it. The electorate too should get on with deciding whether they want to support a party whose likely next General Secretary will be Corbyn’s close friend, Andrew Murray. I guess he will have to join the Labour Party first though, as he is currently a member of the Communist Party of Britain. In 2015 he said “Communism still represents, in my view, a society worth working towards.”

 

Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 24 Sep 16 10.32am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Done. Finished. Jeremy is going to win. It's time for Owen Smith to dissappear back into obscurity and for Angela Eagle to remain there.
This failed coup has been an absolute joke from start to finish at great expense in both terms of cost and polls to The Labour Party. The very people causing division and infighting, those writing off newly politically engaged members as lunatic, half whitted, far left communists are the ones who've had the audacity to call for unity.
These said same people accuse Jeremy Corbyn of being stuck in the past. Apparently fairness is an oudated concept now. What a sad day for Socialism.
Being "stuck in the past" is also hanging on to past glories. It's irrelevant now whether Labour won 3 terms of 15, the political, economic and social landscape has changed beyond recognition. People are fed up with politicians, their 2 grand suits, their power gestures, their lies and their sound bites. We're sick of the massive divide between the rich and poor. We're sick of enforced austerity and cleaning up the messes of the wealthiest and most importantly we're waking up.
Yes, Blair won three terms. Brown didn't though and who in their right would have voted for Milliband? I didn't hear much critism of him being unelectable from within though.

Maybe we should remember what the polls said about his chances?

Well. Jeremy will win. Again. I suggest that those calling for unity whether faux or real eat their words and stand together behind their democratically elected leader, the "unelectable" Jeremy Corbyn, or respectfully stand down and join a party that aligns with their personal choice of policies. After all, this new movement doesn't need anymore criticism from within if it is succeed and be an effective opposition, so, in short, put up or shut up. It's really that simple.

Like Corbyn did? The arrogance of your post is breathtaking.

And if you didn't hear criticism of moribund then you clearly weren't listening.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Sep 16 11.08am

Barring a miracle Corbyn will win.

Maybe all those in the PLP who are not-aligned with him will mount another challenge next year, maybe another one after that until they grind him down.

 

davidpercival Flag Croydon 24 Sep 16 12.16pm

Yes, he has won again and with an increased majority despite over 100, 000 members being excluded form the votes, most of whom would probably have backed him.

So far he has been fighting with one hand tied behind his back because the Blairite MPs have been plotting against him since he was first elected. They will not be happy now but they should at least accept that they have got to give him a fair chance.

When the public actually get to understand his policies (on opposing grammar schools for example)the polls will improve. If we can mobilise the nearly 700,000 member4s we have got we will be able to give the Tories a run for their money.

 

banbandanas Flag Birmingham 24 Sep 16 12.32pm

Originally posted by davidpercival

Yes, he has won again and with an increased majority despite over 100, 000 members being excluded form the votes, most of whom would probably have backed him.

So far he has been fighting with one hand tied behind his back because the Blairite MPs have been plotting against him since he was first elected. They will not be happy now but they should at least accept that they have got to give him a fair chance.

When the public actually get to understand his policies (on opposing grammar schools for example)the polls will improve. If we can mobilise the nearly 700,000 member4s we have got we will be able to give the Tories a run for their money.

Surely the "Blairite MPS" will all be de-selected by their local party tribunals in the Great Purge that will now commence?

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Sep 16 12.46pm

So Jeremy has won again.Nice.

Meanwhile back in the real world..........

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Sep 16 1.00pm

Originally posted by davidpercival

Yes, he has won again and with an increased majority despite over 100, 000 members being excluded form the votes, most of whom would probably have backed him.

So far he has been fighting with one hand tied behind his back because the Blairite MPs have been plotting against him since he was first elected. They will not be happy now but they should at least accept that they have got to give him a fair chance.

When the public actually get to understand his policies (on opposing grammar schools for example)the polls will improve. If we can mobilise the nearly 700,000 member4s we have got we will be able to give the Tories a run for their money.

Not a snowflake in hades chance whilst Corbyn is leader.
Every Government needs an effective opposition - Theresa May is under NO threat at all from Corbyn and his 'Army' of placards and protestors.

Labour are now further from power than any time in their history.

Edited by Willo (24 Sep 2016 1.05pm)

 

matt_himself Flag Matataland 24 Sep 16 1.05pm

Originally posted by banbandanas

Surely the "Blairite MPS" will all be de-selected by their local party tribunals in the Great Purge that will now commence?

I don't think the likes of Tom Watson or Hilary Benn are 'Blairites'.

They are part of a centre left tradition within the party.

 


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banbandanas Flag Birmingham 24 Sep 16 1.20pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

I don't think the likes of Tom Watson or Hilary Benn are 'Blairites'.

They are part of a centre left tradition within the party.

I know, I agree with you Matt. I was just using the term used by DavidPercival, who lumped together all critics of Corbyn as 'Blairite'.

 

leifandersonshair Flag Newport 24 Sep 16 1.45pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

I don't think the likes of Tom Watson or Hilary Benn are 'Blairites'.

They are part of a centre left tradition within the party.

Spot on. Corbyn's (and Labour's) best chance might be to settle somewhere between Watson and Corbyn on the left.

In theory, a hard left leadership, restrained by the PLP to a more moderate left position, could be an electoral winner. Or a disaster. Depends where another 3 and a half years of Tory rule puts us! More austerity and cuts plus wherever the economy is once Brexit really kicks in might send voters scurrying away from the Tories, especially if the 'kick the establishment' feeling continues. The question is, can Labour draw them in, or will UKIP, or even the Lib Dems, seem a more attractive proposition for those voters who sit firmly in the centre ground of the political spectrum?

 

banbandanas Flag Birmingham 24 Sep 16 8.11pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch


Not really knee jerk. It would be a worry if any political party (never mind a party within a party) wanted to provide creche facilities and explain the benefits as:

“increasing children’s involvement in Momentum and the labour movement by promoting political activity that is fun, engaging and child-friendly”

I am surprised that a liberal thinker sees nothing to be concerned about

Will the tiny trots be given top marxs?

 

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