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View Mstrobez's Profile Mstrobez Flag 21 Jun 17 1.28am Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You come across as someone who appears embarrassed enough by his own culture to need to look to others.

Other cultures.....don't get me wrong, nothing wrong with people enjoying their own culture within reason....But tell me what exactly was lacking in our culture that required help? I'm curious.

I remember my grandfather his wife and his brother who fought in the war...I was lucky enough to hang around with them until my teens....They didn't appear to me to be suffering from any 'cultural' loss.

Tell me, what exactly were they losing out on? They appeared very happy with their lives as British.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Jun 2017 1.16am)

Not at all I'm very proud to be white British, always have been and have also always made that point. I love our culture. But I'm 100% happy I grew up around other cultures because it taught me a lot and helped me grow as a person. From my experience, in generalised terms, every culture is usually better (and worse)at certain things than others. Im just speaking from my own perspective whilst growing up and I can honestly say this big divide that everyone's talking about nowadays didn't exist in my generation. Literally no one cared, it didn't make a blind bit of difference to us. We all played football together, went out on our BMX's, went to each others houses for dinner etc. I know prior generations weren't exposed to this level and so I guess we're both biased to a certain extent, but this is just my experience.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 21 Jun 17 1.48am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Not at all I'm very proud to be white British, always have been and have also always made that point. I love our culture. But I'm 100% happy I grew up around other cultures because it taught me a lot and helped me grow as a person. From my experience, in generalised terms, every culture is usually better (and worse)at certain things than others. Im just speaking from my own perspective whilst growing up and I can honestly say this big divide that everyone's talking about nowadays didn't exist in my generation. Literally no one cared, it didn't make a blind bit of difference to us. We all played football together, went out on our BMX's, went to each others houses for dinner etc. I know prior generations weren't exposed to this level and so I guess we're both biased to a certain extent, but this is just my experience.

Well you are in that minority of people that obviously regard multiculturalism as a positive thing.

I respect that for you this is how you feel and there is a place for those that feel themselves more relaxed around other cultures.

But in terms of choosing this life for others....not so much. I grew up in Brixton in the eighties and had to like it or lump it....my experience of multiculturalism is very different to yours and I have the scars to prove it. There is a reason we had 'white flight' from London. My family was part of it. London is a migrant city now....Where was my say in that?

But different perspectives are valid and I accept yours on that score.

 


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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 21 Jun 17 2.04am

Foreign policy. Red top agenda.

 


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View Mstrobez's Profile Mstrobez Flag 21 Jun 17 2.18am Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well you are in that minority of people that obviously regard multiculturalism as a positive thing.

I respect that for you this is how you feel and there is a place for those that feel themselves more relaxed around other cultures.

But in terms of choosing this life for others....not so much. I grew up in Brixton in the eighties and had to like it or lump it....my experience of multiculturalism is very different to yours and I have the scars to prove it. There is a reason we had 'white flight' from London. My family was part of it. London is a migrant city now....Where was my say in that?

But different perspectives are valid and I accept yours on that score.

I think it's more of a generational thing. I can pretty much guarantee you if you were to speak to younger people about this, especially round these ways, the majority of them would tell you that they don't have an issue with it (that's slowly starting to decrease though). I can't blame you or anyone else for feeling antagonised by other cultures if you had bad personal experiences because I never had them myself but it's different for us.

What winds me up, probably similair to you having no say, is the fact that this rhetoric is being forced upon people who never even thought about it before. It appears more and more people my age seem to be turning on others that did them no wrong, not in public of course, usually behind a keyboard. I went to school with kids who I can safely say didn't have any problem with this back then and weren't talking in the type of tone they seem to be adopting on Facebook now.

I think my wider point is that society has moved on and creating a new divide and attempting to bring everything back to square one is counter productive and pointless in my opinion, especially when it literally was pretty much a non-issue for an entire generation. Integration may never work between older generations but I can honestly say that younger people are (well were at least) a lot less divided in a cultural sense.

 


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ParchmoreEagle Flag Belair 21 Jun 17 8.13am

Anyone who thinks Britain's Islamic communities are 'multicultural' are bigger fools than I first imagined. Get out from your bubble and go for a walk around any of Britain's Islamic communities. Yeh, and wear 'gay-pride' tee-shirts or dress inappropriately or don't cover your head if female. Multicultural my arse. And don't label me as having lived in a generation that wasn't multicultural. My mates were different colours from a range of ethnicity and I'm not 'pure' anglo-saxon myself. My pakistani mates in the 70s were and still are good blokes - not these animal c@nts.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 21 Jun 17 8.19am

Multi-culturalism and mass immigration were preventable, pernicious policies. The kind of segregation, ghettoisation and periodic conflict that we see in most multi-cultural countries is coming upon us here by our own volition and neglect. Saying that if only people wouldn't talk about it, it probably wouldn't happen, is to mistake predicting troubles for causing troubles or even for desiring troubles.

 


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View dannyh's Profile dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 21 Jun 17 8.44am Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

Out of interest, what do you think the difference is between killing for your religion and killing for your nation?

Well one big difference is, (certainly as far as UK troops go) that we don't blow up innocent children at a pop concerts, or kill and maim civilians on a night out with friends, or blow ourselves up on tubes, or fly ourselves into big buildings killing thousands whose only crime was turning up for work.

Soldiers on the ground fight enemy combatants at home and abroad to protect her Britannic Majesty's interests, Even then we are somewhat hampered by a ridiculous set of Rules of engagement.

So yes there is a big f*** off difference, but then I guess you knew that and where being a tad facetious.

Edited by dannyh (21 Jun 2017 8.59am)

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 21 Jun 17 9.24am

Originally posted by dannyh

Well one big difference is, (certainly as far as UK troops go) that we don't blow up innocent children at a pop concerts, or kill and maim civilians on a night out with friends, or blow ourselves up on tubes, or fly ourselves into big buildings killing thousands whose only crime was turning up for work.

Soldiers on the ground fight enemy combatants at home and abroad to protect her Britannic Majesty's interests, Even then we are somewhat hampered by a ridiculous set of Rules of engagement.

So yes there is a big f*** off difference, but then I guess you knew that and where being a tad facetious.

Edited by dannyh (21 Jun 2017 8.59am)

Well said Danny. I just read an article in this week's Spectator which I think illustrates the difference. It is an extract from a book 'A Gift from Darkness: How I escaped with My Daughter from Boko Haram':
".. one fighter noticed a captive with a swollen belly. 'I'm not pregnant,' she insisted ... the most senior of the armed men, who looked barely 20 years old, ordered her to lie down on the ground. 'We don't bring any Christian babies into the world here.' he screamed. Then he stripped off the shaking woman's clothes, slit open her stomach with his machete, ripped out the unborn baby and threw it in a field behind him. 'All Christian children must die.' said the killer, as the woman bled into the grass beside him."
I expect the usual apologists on here will answer this blaming British foreign policy, Blair, bombing Muslims etc. Well, you know, I think we should bomb a few more Muslim groups like this.

 


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View coulsdoneagle's Profile coulsdoneagle Flag London 21 Jun 17 11.54am Send a Private Message to coulsdoneagle Add coulsdoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Yep. I thought it was unusual for a paper th use such a quote.

I'm inclined to think that a bloke who lives in Wales who hired a van to drive to London to deliberately run over people outside a mosque is a c*** though.


It doesn't help that some of. the media keep conflating thefact thathate preacher Hamza was there years ago, despite being ousted by the current lot in charge of the mosque. I've heard Finsbury Park mosque has won awards for their work in the wider community.

Edited by nickgusset (20 Jun 2017 9.26am)

Finsbury Park is my local mosque and it has a checkered history but more recently it's done really good stuff in the community, the Imams work really hard with community outreach programsand combating extremism and they won an award very recently.

If that imam wasn't there and the people that tacked him didn't show any restraint that guy could have been beaten to death, quite remarkable self control especially with what he was shouting while on the floor.

 

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View Mstrobez's Profile Mstrobez Flag 21 Jun 17 12.12pm Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by ParchmoreEagle

Anyone who thinks Britain's Islamic communities are 'multicultural' are bigger fools than I first imagined. Get out from your bubble and go for a walk around any of Britain's Islamic communities. Yeh, and wear 'gay-pride' tee-shirts or dress inappropriately or don't cover your head if female. Multicultural my arse. And don't label me as having lived in a generation that wasn't multicultural. My mates were different colours from a range of ethnicity and I'm not 'pure' anglo-saxon myself. My pakistani mates in the 70s were and still are good blokes - not these animal c@nts.

I lived in Woolwich for 4 years when I was younger. Very large Muslim community. I can 100% confirm that my generation still didn't give one s***. It's weird how much you seem to know about our country from Australia. People like you always preach that "you're just speaking the truth" and that the opposition side "doesn't let you voice your opinion because they disagree" but the fact is it's the complete opposite way round. It's either completely condemn Islam or you like terrorism. You mustnt believe that everyone in the UK is as ignorant as you.

 


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Originally posted by Mstrobez

I lived in Woolwich for 4 years when I was younger. Very large Muslim community. I can 100% confirm that my generation still didn't give one s***. It's weird how much you seem to know about our country from Australia. People like you always preach that "you're just speaking the truth" and that the opposition side "doesn't let you voice your opinion because they disagree" but the fact is it's the complete opposite way round. It's either completely condemn Islam or you like terrorism. You mustnt believe that everyone in the UK is as ignorant as you.

Yep. And we didn't say 'muslims' either before the 90's. It was Arabs or P@ki-stanis.

 


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