You really don’t/won’t get what I am saying do you!

Yup, agreed. It was the BLM Movement.

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Can you please advise what the better ways are as to how fans can communicate this?
I think you need to educate a lot of journalists/ sportspeople who believe it is associated with a political motivated organisation

Yes, I don't disagree. My point is that taking the knee is, quite clearly, not having the desired effect anymore. I suppose it was all impactful and meaningful in the first place - but is now rejected, in my opinion, by the majority - perhaps of society, but certainly of football fans.
Of course, I'm not saying some don't support it - they clearly do. I'm also not making any value judgement on anyone who does it or anyone who supports it.Although, personally, I don't agree with it.
My point is replace it with something that doesn't divide. I just gave an option to have something higher key than 'kick it out' but certainly less political than BLM. That way racism will get tackled and highlighted. Unfortunately, the current kneeling at football is now proving divisive. When it started, friends sent me pictures kneeling in their club colours. I 'liked' their pictures but never did it myself. Now, no one is sending those pictures. People feel the point is made. We are reaching the point where the question is 'how much longer?'.
Of course, Sky can give me a twee answer of 'when systematic racism ends' or some such other trite comment. The actual answer is end it now or face the consequences that come with unpopularity. Further divides and a likely exacerbation of racism, due to disillusionment with players and the authorities. Look at the Millwall player Romeo - he's now pissed off with his own fans. I know they're Millwall knuckle dragging fools, but still, it isn't necessary.
Nobody will mind lifetime bans for real racism, instead of pantomime signalling by taking a knee. Nobody will boo actually dealing with racism in a straightforward, common sense manner. Let's get real with this for a change.

Red and Blue Army!

Agreed

I agree with you and the others making this point.

These 'gestures' seem more for the individual and their quest to signal how virtuous they think they are than to serve a practice purpose.

Everywhere you poxy turn it's 'racism' this and 'rainbow' that.

There are numerous causes that different people feel different strengths for....I pointed to them in an earlier post. We could fill an entire half making gestures for them.

However, the reason this one takes centre stage is all about money....as in these are the causes the corporates and monied elites feel most strongly about.

There is no evidence that the reason the guy died had anything to do with racism anyway.....but it doesn't stop them because it's all about them and their causes.

Most people go to football matches to watch football not listen to what the monied think is important socially.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Dec 2020 1.56pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

The whole concept was doomed to failure in the first place.
The causes of racism can be, unfamiliarity, suspicion, fear, ignorance, tribalism, jealousy, social pressure, financial pressure, disproportionate anti social behaviour, disproportionate opportunities, historical resentments, plain irrational hatred and some others I can't be bothered to think of.

Any campaign or expression to counter these inevitable human conditions will fail because it is like Canute trying to turn back the tide in the widely misunderstood fable.

No one wants 'racism', but at the same time, we cannot deny its many causes or the fact that they are inextricably linked to the human condition and the circumstances we find ourselves in. It cannot be prayed away in some quasi religious fashion.

If you're all bored of it imagine how tiresome it must be being on the receiving end of racist abuse on a regular basis.

Its clear, that there's a lot of issues with taking the knee. Mainly around the behaviour and political ideals of BLM.

Is there an alternative that could be used that isn't completely integrated with a bunch of thugs forcing police to take a knee whilst rioting at the height of the pandemic?

Preferably something that just puts out a message to stop hatred in all its forms. Racists or otherwise. Do it at one game, then get back to enjoying playing football.

Ah yes. Anti-racism now worse than actual racism. Forgot about that.