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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Apr 24 1.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The proof is in the statistics. Not in the prejudices which are built by the myths circulated in the right wing press. That’s where a parallel universe has been created and it’s their readers who are living in it. This is a complicated subject with many sub sections of our population to consider, along with a variety of different types of crime. Some of which will rise and fall for a variety of reasons. Nevertheless the overall picture is clear. The widely held belief that crime is increasing due to higher immigration is untrue. It certainly is. I don't suppose either of us care to spend endless time deliberating the minutia of who does what, but my claim stands. I don't know where you get your stats from, but I'm fairly confident that they are just more spin. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Apr 2024 1.32pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Apr 24 1.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It certainly is. I don't suppose either of us care to spend endless time deliberating the minutia of who does what, but my claim stands. I don't know where you get your stats from, but I'm fairly confident that they are just more spin. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Apr 2024 1.32pm) I don’t get any stats! They are collected by specialists. Take a look at the link I provided. It’s explained in great detail there.
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The groover Danbury 05 Apr 24 1.43pm | |
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Originally posted by orpingtoneagle
Is Gammon a race? Maybe in the same way a Islamist is I suppose.... Some on here like a good debate me included others simply don't (and that applies to all sides of any arguement.) Some simply wheel out the same old tropes time after time. It is an insult just as snowflake is.........you snowflake!
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georgenorman 05 Apr 24 2.26pm | |
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Originally posted by orpingtoneagle
Not to forget the free speech zealot right wing gammons who see their right as being able to say whatever they want without consequence yet moan constantly that other do exactly the same when they do not agree with what is being said Not sure what your vituperative response has to do with what I said.
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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 05 Apr 24 2.36pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Not sure what your vituperative response has to do with what I said. You looked that up
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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Apr 24 2.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don’t get any stats! They are collected by specialists. Take a look at the link I provided. It’s explained in great detail there. Here's one graph I just found with a brief browse. Do you notice anything? Attachment: Screenshot 2024-04-05 at 14-40-29 Homicide in England and Wales 1898 to 2023 - murdermap.png (20.27Kb)
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georgenorman 05 Apr 24 3.26pm | |
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Originally posted by eagleman13
You looked that up I was going to put 'arsey response' but thought vituperative was a bit classier.
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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 05 Apr 24 3.28pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
I was going to put 'arsey response' but thought vituperative was a bit classier.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Apr 24 4.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Here's one graph I just found with a brief browse. Do you notice anything? Yes I did. It sticks out very clearly. The population during the period between 1898 and 1997 has more than doubled. So it’s hardly very surprising that the number of murders have, over time, kept pace with the population growth. There was an upward trend in the post WW2 period which could be explained by a variety of factors. However, what’s important are the current trends, not the historical ones, especially as these are the ones now being claimed to be the responsibility of immigration. There is a reassuring picture there. Look at the statistics in Section 2 and read Section 9:- It must not though be forgotten that murder, terrible though it is, is not the only crime. It should though bring some comfort to those being fed a daily diet that immigration is the cause of every evil that the reality is very different.
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orpingtoneagle Orpington 05 Apr 24 5.34pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
I was going to put 'arsey response' but thought vituperative was a bit classier. I could have lived with arsey but use of the word vituperative made me chuckle. I once used said word in a briefing paper to a cabinet minister in HM gov. Said minister in their discussion about the paper clearly has no idea what it meant but being a minister would never admit to it!
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georgenorman 05 Apr 24 5.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Yes I did. It sticks out very clearly. The population during the period between 1898 and 1997 has more than doubled. So it’s hardly very surprising that the number of murders have, over time, kept pace with the population growth. There was an upward trend in the post WW2 period which could be explained by a variety of factors. However, what’s important are the current trends, not the historical ones, especially as these are the ones now being claimed to be the responsibility of immigration. There is a reassuring picture there. Look at the statistics in Section 2 and read Section 9:- It must not though be forgotten that murder, terrible though it is, is not the only crime. It should though bring some comfort to those being fed a daily diet that immigration is the cause of every evil that the reality is very different. Surely there are no such things as murder and immigration - they are social constructs?
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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Apr 24 5.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Yes I did. It sticks out very clearly. The population during the period between 1898 and 1997 has more than doubled. So it’s hardly very surprising that the number of murders have, over time, kept pace with the population growth. There was an upward trend in the post WW2 period which could be explained by a variety of factors. However, what’s important are the current trends, not the historical ones, especially as these are the ones now being claimed to be the responsibility of immigration. There is a reassuring picture there. Look at the statistics in Section 2 and read Section 9:- It must not though be forgotten that murder, terrible though it is, is not the only crime. It should though bring some comfort to those being fed a daily diet that immigration is the cause of every evil that the reality is very different. I'm not wasting time trading graphs with you Wisbech. I'm fully aware that you will spin some fantasy to counter them. The fact is that violent crime relative to population rose sharply from the end of the 1950s. And no, it's not because the population grew. There used to be a lot of data online that showed this, but oddly, it seems to be harder to find now. I wonder why? You don't need graphs. You only need to have been alive long enough to see what has happened to this country. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Apr 2024 5.56pm)
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