It's a fair analysis, we will hopefully see I guess.

I don't count Biden out completely because a lot can happen in three plus months.....but it's certainly Trumps to lose.

My impression of a Trump presidency is that he's mainly running to stay out of prison. I think he will cut deals if he wins because ultimately he himself comes before any other topic.

I don't know about project 25 but I certainly think he will radically change the security and intelligence state who he thinks have treated him badly...something I tend to agree with him on.

I don't know much about Vance personally.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Ignore SW19 too, he's just a sort of Continuity Wing of the same Wisbelchian mindset.

or, could easily be misinformation passed to the media in a timely attempt to muddy the waters

I disengage, I turn the page.

How can new information muddy the waters? If anything it clarifies them. There was a suggestion made that a request for additional security was denied. A suggestion that was subsequently denied itself.

Now we learn that in fact security has been increased due to intelligence reports of a specific threat. Details being given of what the increase included. Reading what is provided it appears very comprehensive to me, as a non expert in such matters.

So now we know that far from there being a lack of security there was a great deal. Which doesn’t yet answer the question of what went wrong, let alone why.

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It's the Democrats and their DEI rules.

In many cases it puts forward identities over meritocracy and this was an instance of it. I have no reason to doubt the willingness of the women in that detail to put their bodies between the assassin and the target but the height difference between them and the 6'3 Trump was painfully obvious.

One of the men wasn't tall enough either.

This should be a basic when it comes to protecting a target.

People in non woke countries will look at it and shake their heads....Hell, most sensible people everywhere will look at it and shake their heads.

But this is what happens wherever social liberalism rules.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

It's far removed from the thread but it is an interesting point, albeit slightly off topic.

It seems to be ubiquitous these days, ideology taking precedence over logic. One disturbing profession for this to be happening is within the police in this country, let alone the American SS (if true, I've not looked at it myself).

I recognise that recruitment may be a problem in general but when you see some of these individuals these days, I can't help but think 'I really hope you do have a taser, or something, and know how to use it' as they look physically incapable of having any impact whatsoever in the instance it 'kicks off'.

I always remember walking down from East Croydon train station one Saturday as a teenager to meet some friends and seeing two officers performing a search on some ne'er-do-wells. Both of the officers looked to be in their early 30's, about 6'2"-6'5" and easily 15 stone+ with neither looking 'fat'. I thought to myself 'that's what they probably should look like'. Not many would fancy that fight!

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

I think I'm in love.

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Slight update on my post above, shooter used an Eotech red dot so not as an easy a shot as it would have been through a proper rifle scope.

Dan of the Lotus Eaters made a great point in a podcast yesterday about how Crooks was 12 years old when Trump first became president & in that time the Democrats & the Democrat biased media have hammered home the point that Trump is evil & and a threat to the American way of life, this constant assault on Trump through the internet, TV, Schools, Newspapers etc is all by design and is radicalising Children.

The mountains are calling & I must go.

Perhaps Dan of the Lotus Eaters, and maybe you too, are in the 20% who only get their information from Republican-biased media. It does exist. Have you never watched Fox?

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According to the reports I have read about interviews with his schoolmates Crooks was always strongly conservative in his views and argued fiercely for them in debates. So his being radicalised by "Democratic" media doesn't seem very likely.

Of course though most people have no need to rely on any media to form opinions about Trump. He is hardly camera-shy or unwilling to express his opinions. So it's easy to reach conclusions directly on what he says and does. There is no need for anyone else to nudge you. It's all out in the open.

That mine matches what you suggest "Democratic" media also concludes simply confirms to me that they are more reliable than the "Republican" ones.

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This appears to be a popular assumption in right-wing circles and media at present, but is it actually true?

Trump himself is hardly short on rhetoric, much of it cruel and nasty, stoking up hatred and encouraging divisiveness.

This is a recent interesting and objective analysis of the issue. One that needs to be taken seriously and addressed if repetitions of this event, either targeting Trump again, or those who oppose him, are to be avoided:-

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