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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Mar 23 10.40pm
Originally posted by georgenorman It was certainly his take on modern history. In an essay he wrote in 1942 concerning his experiences in the Spanish Civil War, he says: "I remember saying once to Arthur Koestler, 'History stopped in 1936', at which he nodded in immediate understanding ... I saw, in fact, history being written not in terms of what happened but of what ought to have happened according to various 'party lines'." Which is miles away in meaning from the misquote you quoted. It actually supports what I am saying. That history means different things to different people. So do you admit you were wrong? Or now claim to know what he might have said? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Mar 23 10.40pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

It was certainly his take on modern history. In an essay he wrote in 1942 concerning his experiences in the Spanish Civil War, he says: "I remember saying once to Arthur Koestler, 'History stopped in 1936', at which he nodded in immediate understanding ... I saw, in fact, history being written not in terms of what happened but of what ought to have happened according to various 'party lines'."

Which is miles away in meaning from the misquote you quoted. It actually supports what I am saying. That history means different things to different people.

So do you admit you were wrong? Or now claim to know what he might have said?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Mar 23 10.41pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle It isn't only to do with the director. There is also funding and convincing a production company. For sure, although some feel so passionately about their work they try to produce it themselves, sometimes in small venues. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Mar 23 10.41pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It isn't only to do with the director. There is also funding and convincing a production company.

For sure, although some feel so passionately about their work they try to produce it themselves, sometimes in small venues.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 18 Mar 23 11.02pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle For sure, although some feel so passionately about their work they try to produce it themselves, sometimes in small venues. They do but there's quite a difference between mainstream television/Hollywood and a performance at the Donmar Warehouse. And even then it's hardly likely to happen.

Teddy Eagle

18 Mar 23 11.02pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

For sure, although some feel so passionately about their work they try to produce it themselves, sometimes in small venues.

They do but there's quite a difference between mainstream television/Hollywood and a performance at the Donmar Warehouse. And even then it's hardly likely to happen.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Mar 23 11.04pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger It's not great and it's not a theory. It only takes a look at trends and an understanding of the effect of birth and mortality rates to see that. I think you actually know this. What I know is that you are just another example of the gullible on the right being swept up by a conspiracy theory which justifies their xenophobia. They have existed for at least 90 years in Europe. It's certainly not great, but it is only a theory, and a deeply flawed and extremely dangerous one at that. Although the data here concentrates on the USA, the reasoning applies just as accurately to Europe. [Link] [Link] For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Mar 23 11.04pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It's not great and it's not a theory.

It only takes a look at trends and an understanding of the effect of birth and mortality rates to see that.

I think you actually know this.

What I know is that you are just another example of the gullible on the right being swept up by a conspiracy theory which justifies their xenophobia. They have existed for at least 90 years in Europe.

It's certainly not great, but it is only a theory, and a deeply flawed and extremely dangerous one at that. Although the data here concentrates on the USA, the reasoning applies just as accurately to Europe.

[Link]

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Mar 23 11.07pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle They do but there's quite a difference between mainstream television/Hollywood and a performance at the Donmar Warehouse. And even then it's hardly likely to happen. Such productions do get made though, so obviously there is a demand, or they wouldn't get the funding. You might not want to see them, but enough do to get them on. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Mar 23 11.07pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

They do but there's quite a difference between mainstream television/Hollywood and a performance at the Donmar Warehouse. And even then it's hardly likely to happen.

Such productions do get made though, so obviously there is a demand, or they wouldn't get the funding. You might not want to see them, but enough do to get them on.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 18 Mar 23 11.09pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Such productions do get made though, so obviously there is a demand, or they wouldn't get the funding. You might not want to see them, but enough do to get them on. Do they? White actors playing Black parts?

Teddy Eagle

18 Mar 23 11.09pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Such productions do get made though, so obviously there is a demand, or they wouldn't get the funding. You might not want to see them, but enough do to get them on.

Do they? White actors playing Black parts?

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Mar 23 11.39pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Do they? White actors playing Black parts? Why do you ask? There are no such things as "black" parts. There are just parts. The point is that no-one should either notice or care. I haven't and don't. Until we all start actually start behaving as though the concept of judging people by the content of their character and not by the colour of their skin means something, we are destined to see division where there is none. It's happened, almost, in football. Or at least better than in other areas of life. Why not elsewhere? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Mar 23 11.39pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Do they? White actors playing Black parts?

Why do you ask? There are no such things as "black" parts. There are just parts.

The point is that no-one should either notice or care. I haven't and don't.

Until we all start actually start behaving as though the concept of judging people by the content of their character and not by the colour of their skin means something, we are destined to see division where there is none.

It's happened, almost, in football. Or at least better than in other areas of life. Why not elsewhere?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 18 Mar 23 11.52pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Why do you ask? There are no such things as "black" parts. There are just parts. The point is that no-one should either notice or care. I haven't and don't. Until we all start actually start behaving as though the concept of judging people by the content of their character and not by the colour of their skin means something, we are destined to see division where there is none. It's happened, almost, in football. Or at least better than in other areas of life. Why not elsewhere? Of course there are. James Bond is white. John Shaft is black. This is not about real life where your points have relevance.

Teddy Eagle

18 Mar 23 11.52pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why do you ask? There are no such things as "black" parts. There are just parts.

The point is that no-one should either notice or care. I haven't and don't.

It's happened, almost, in football. Or at least better than in other areas of life. Why not elsewhere?

Of course there are. James Bond is white. John Shaft is black.
This is not about real life where your points have relevance.

georgenorman 19 Mar 23 7.17am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Which is miles away in meaning from the misquote you quoted. It actually supports what I am saying. That history means different things to different people. So do you admit you were wrong? Or now claim to know what he might have said? My Uncle Bert ran a bakery and Eric Blair came in and ordered a cake with “Down With Big Brother!” to be iced on it. Albert declined the order on the grounds that the message was discriminatory against elder bros, racist and sibling-phobic. Blair came back with ‘The most effective way to destroy a people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history – and censor their cakes’.

georgenorman

19 Mar 23 7.17am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Which is miles away in meaning from the misquote you quoted. It actually supports what I am saying. That history means different things to different people.

So do you admit you were wrong? Or now claim to know what he might have said?

My Uncle Bert ran a bakery and Eric Blair came in and ordered a cake with “Down With Big Brother!” to be iced on it. Albert declined the order on the grounds that the message was discriminatory against elder bros, racist and sibling-phobic.
Blair came back with ‘The most effective way to destroy a people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history – and censor their cakes’.

Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 19 Mar 23 7.25am
Some people have different interpretations of Right and Wrong. I disengage, I turn the page.

Forest Hillbilly

in a hidey-hole 19 Mar 23 7.25am

Some people have different interpretations of Right and Wrong.

I disengage, I turn the page.

Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 19 Mar 23 7.28am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Why do you ask? There are no such things as "black" parts. There are just parts. The point is that no-one should either notice or care. I haven't and don't. Until we all start actually start behaving as though the concept of judging people by the content of their character and not by the colour of their skin means something, we are destined to see division where there is none. It's happened, almost, in football. Or at least better than in other areas of life. Why not elsewhere? I would suggest the organisations such as The National Black Police Association and MOBOs have served their purpose, run their course, and now are forming divisive barriers, rather than bringing them down I disengage, I turn the page.

Forest Hillbilly

in a hidey-hole 19 Mar 23 7.28am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why do you ask? There are no such things as "black" parts. There are just parts.

The point is that no-one should either notice or care. I haven't and don't.

It's happened, almost, in football. Or at least better than in other areas of life. Why not elsewhere?

I would suggest the organisations such as The National Black Police Association and MOBOs have served their purpose, run their course, and now are forming divisive barriers, rather than bringing them down

I disengage, I turn the page.

The Dolphin 19 Mar 23 8.50am
You can't change history - only the future. I wish people would leave it alone and learn from past mistakes. I wish they would channel their energy into a better life moving forward. Absolutely bonkers s***e!

The Dolphin

19 Mar 23 8.50am

You can't change history - only the future.
I wish people would leave it alone and learn from past mistakes.
I wish they would channel their energy into a better life moving forward.
Absolutely bonkers s***e!

Hrolf The Ganger 19 Mar 23 4.19pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle What I know is that you are just another example of the gullible on the right being swept up by a conspiracy theory which justifies their xenophobia. They have existed for at least 90 years in Europe. It's certainly not great, but it is only a theory, and a deeply flawed and extremely dangerous one at that. Although the data here concentrates on the USA, the reasoning applies just as accurately to Europe. [Link] [Link] So you get your science from leftist publications? That figures. The immigrant population of Britain has gone from next to nothing in the 1940s to 26% in 70 years. That is just the immigrants we know about and not illegals. You think that is a conspiracy, no doubt. You are deluded. At this rate, it won't be too long for you to be proved wrong...As usual.

Hrolf The Ganger

19 Mar 23 4.19pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

[Link]

So you get your science from leftist publications?

That figures.

The immigrant population of Britain has gone from next to nothing in the 1940s to 26% in 70 years. That is just the immigrants we know about and not illegals.

You think that is a conspiracy, no doubt.

You are deluded. At this rate, it won't be too long for you to be proved wrong...As usual.

Spiderman Horsham 20 Mar 23 5.06pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle No it isn't. It's only to do with the way that particular Director wanted to work. In truth, he could potentially have been in trouble for breaking anti-discrimination laws, but hopefully common sense prevailed. Another Director may have wanted to set the story in the Middle East and cast the whole production with people from Africa. Stranger things have happened. After all what is West Side Story other than a retelling of Romeo and Juliet? Do you think the casting of that ought to have avoided New Yorkers? Absolute onsense

Spiderman

Horsham 20 Mar 23 5.06pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No it isn't. It's only to do with the way that particular Director wanted to work. In truth, he could potentially have been in trouble for breaking anti-discrimination laws, but hopefully common sense prevailed. Another Director may have wanted to set the story in the Middle East and cast the whole production with people from Africa. Stranger things have happened.

After all what is West Side Story other than a retelling of Romeo and Juliet? Do you think the casting of that ought to have avoided New Yorkers?

Absolute onsense

Spiderman Horsham 20 Mar 23 5.11pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Why do you ask? There are no such things as "black" parts. There are just parts. The point is that no-one should either notice or care. I haven't and don't. Until we all start actually start behaving as though the concept of judging people by the content of their character and not by the colour of their skin means something, we are destined to see division where there is none. It's happened, almost, in football. Or at least better than in other areas of life. Why not elsewhere? So do you think no one would care if a white actor played Muhammad Ali? How ridiculous of you, no white actor would sent to audition. That is fact. Nothing to do with ability all to do with colour. Of course, a b,ack actor should play the part, he was black. Ann Boleyn was white…fact

Spiderman

Horsham 20 Mar 23 5.11pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why do you ask? There are no such things as "black" parts. There are just parts.

The point is that no-one should either notice or care. I haven't and don't.

It's happened, almost, in football. Or at least better than in other areas of life. Why not elsewhere?

So do you think no one would care if a white actor played Muhammad Ali? How ridiculous of you, no white actor would sent to audition. That is fact. Nothing to do with ability all to do with colour.
Of course, a b,ack actor should play the part, he was black. Ann Boleyn was white…fact

georgenorman 20 Mar 23 6.36pm
Originally posted by Spiderman So do you think no one would care if a white actor played Muhammad Ali? How ridiculous of you, no white actor would sent to audition. That is fact. Nothing to do with ability all to do with colour. Of course, a b,ack actor should play the part, he was black. Ann Boleyn was white…fact Wisbech would think it ok for a female, white, wheelchair user to play Muhammad Ali.

georgenorman

20 Mar 23 6.36pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Wisbech would think it ok for a female, white, wheelchair user to play Muhammad Ali.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Mar 23 7.34pm
Originally posted by georgenorman Wisbech would think it ok for a female, white, wheelchair user to play Muhammad Ali. The rumbling of an accessibility ramp construction in the jungle. Jason Donovan as Don King. Jennifer Aniston comedy love interest. Ali has second thoughts and considers abandoning Islam - questioning his affliction and giving up boxing in order to teach Palestinian kids. A final monologue about the VAT on vehicles modified for disability. Blamed somehow on Israel or Trump. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Mar 23 7.34pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

Wisbech would think it ok for a female, white, wheelchair user to play Muhammad Ali.

The rumbling of an accessibility ramp construction in the jungle. Jason Donovan as Don King. Jennifer Aniston comedy love interest. Ali has second thoughts and considers abandoning Islam - questioning his affliction and giving up boxing in order to teach Palestinian kids. A final monologue about the VAT on vehicles modified for disability. Blamed somehow on Israel or Trump.

Red and Blue Army!

PalazioVecchio south pole 20 Mar 23 10.19pm
Originally posted by Spiderman So do you think no one would care if a white actor played Muhammad Ali? How ridiculous of you, no white actor would sent to audition. That is fact. Nothing to do with ability all to do with colour. Of course, a b,ack actor should play the part, he was black. so do we now want to whiteWash his heritage. Like Barack O'bama ? Ali had family from Ennis, County Clare. He was not black, he was mixed race....part irish....just like Clinton Morrison. thus Ali had the gift of the gab and a belligerent gobby mouth Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 20 Mar 23 10.19pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

So do you think no one would care if a white actor played Muhammad Ali? How ridiculous of you, no white actor would sent to audition. That is fact. Nothing to do with ability all to do with colour.
Of course, a b,ack actor should play the part, he was black.

so do we now want to whiteWash his heritage. Like Barack O'bama ?

Ali had family from Ennis, County Clare. He was not black, he was mixed race....part irish....just like Clinton Morrison.

thus Ali had the gift of the gab and a belligerent gobby mouth

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 23 12.55pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly I would suggest the organisations such as The National Black Police Association and MOBOs have served their purpose, run their course, and now are forming divisive barriers, rather than bringing them down I completely agree with this. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 23 12.55pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

I completely agree with this.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 23 1.01pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Of course there are. James Bond is white. John Shaft is black. This is not about real life where your points have relevance. Why? If a Director wants to make a statement he can cast it whichever way he wants. That's the whole point. In the Fleming books was Bond's skin colour even mentioned, or are you making assumptions based on every actor cast so far? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 23 1.01pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Of course there are. James Bond is white. John Shaft is black.
This is not about real life where your points have relevance.

Why?

If a Director wants to make a statement he can cast it whichever way he wants. That's the whole point. In the Fleming books was Bond's skin colour even mentioned, or are you making assumptions based on every actor cast so far?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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