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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 23 1.09pm
Originally posted by georgenorman My Uncle Bert ran a bakery and Eric Blair came in and ordered a cake with “Down With Big Brother!” to be iced on it. Albert declined the order on the grounds that the message was discriminatory against elder bros, racist and sibling-phobic. Blair came back with ‘The most effective way to destroy a people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history – and censor their cakes’. If baker Bert offers to bake cakes for others for reward (and not as a favour for free) then the cake is not his. Whatever icing is requested, provided it's technically possible, has nothing to do with him. If it causes offence to him, or anyone else, that's the responsibility of the owner. If the owner just takes it home and shares it with similarly minded people, what's the issue? If he cannot bear to do the work he shouldn't invite it. Only if it goes on public display is there any potential for offence. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 23 1.09pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

My Uncle Bert ran a bakery and Eric Blair came in and ordered a cake with “Down With Big Brother!” to be iced on it. Albert declined the order on the grounds that the message was discriminatory against elder bros, racist and sibling-phobic.
Blair came back with ‘The most effective way to destroy a people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history – and censor their cakes’.

If baker Bert offers to bake cakes for others for reward (and not as a favour for free) then the cake is not his. Whatever icing is requested, provided it's technically possible, has nothing to do with him. If it causes offence to him, or anyone else, that's the responsibility of the owner. If the owner just takes it home and shares it with similarly minded people, what's the issue? If he cannot bear to do the work he shouldn't invite it.

Only if it goes on public display is there any potential for offence.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

georgenorman 21 Mar 23 1.23pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle If baker Bert offers to bake cakes for others for reward (and not as a favour for free) then the cake is not his. Whatever icing is requested, provided it's technically possible, has nothing to do with him. If it causes offence to him, or anyone else, that's the responsibility of the owner. If the owner just takes it home and shares it with similarly minded people, what's the issue? If he cannot bear to do the work he shouldn't invite it. Only if it goes on public display is there any potential for offence. Bert met Eric at a time when the country was comparatively sane; before authoritarians like you stated telling people who they should or should not do business with and what they must or must not collaborate in.

georgenorman

21 Mar 23 1.23pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Only if it goes on public display is there any potential for offence.

Bert met Eric at a time when the country was comparatively sane; before authoritarians like you stated telling people who they should or should not do business with and what they must or must not collaborate in.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 23 1.25pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So you get your science from leftist publications? That figures. The immigrant population of Britain has gone from next to nothing in the 1940s to 26% in 70 years. That is just the immigrants we know about and not illegals. You think that is a conspiracy, no doubt. You are deluded. At this rate, it won't be too long for you to be proved wrong...As usual. What is your fixation with "leftist"? I use my own brain. The reason I referenced them was to assist you in using yours. he immigrant population of Britain has not gone from next to nothing in the 1940s to 26% in 70 years. We both have an immigrant heritage, as does everyone in the UK. Immigration has always happened. It's nothing new, just as objections to it aren't anything new. I don't suppose the Romans or the Normans were welcomed with open arms, let alone the Vikings! It goes in waves, and takes time to settle down. My parents were both strongly opposed to those who arrived in the 50s and 60s, from the Caribbean, India and Africa. Most of us accept that now as just part of our history, although I expect you still think they should all "be sent back". Assimilation takes time, sometimes a lot of time, and it demands effort, sometimes a great deal of effort, but it happens. Cultures change, birth rates trend downwards to match the average. Intermarriages occur, demarcation lines get blurred, and we end up with a population in which our Roman, Norman and Viking genes might still be there, but we are all British. So yes, this is a conspiracy theory and a very nasty one. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 23 1.25pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So you get your science from leftist publications?

That figures.

The immigrant population of Britain has gone from next to nothing in the 1940s to 26% in 70 years. That is just the immigrants we know about and not illegals.

You think that is a conspiracy, no doubt.

You are deluded. At this rate, it won't be too long for you to be proved wrong...As usual.

What is your fixation with "leftist"? I use my own brain. The reason I referenced them was to assist you in using yours.

he immigrant population of Britain has not gone from next to nothing in the 1940s to 26% in 70 years.

We both have an immigrant heritage, as does everyone in the UK. Immigration has always happened. It's nothing new, just as objections to it aren't anything new. I don't suppose the Romans or the Normans were welcomed with open arms, let alone the Vikings! It goes in waves, and takes time to settle down. My parents were both strongly opposed to those who arrived in the 50s and 60s, from the Caribbean, India and Africa. Most of us accept that now as just part of our history, although I expect you still think they should all "be sent back".

Assimilation takes time, sometimes a lot of time, and it demands effort, sometimes a great deal of effort, but it happens. Cultures change, birth rates trend downwards to match the average. Intermarriages occur, demarcation lines get blurred, and we end up with a population in which our Roman, Norman and Viking genes might still be there, but we are all British.

So yes, this is a conspiracy theory and a very nasty one.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 23 1.30pm
Originally posted by Spiderman So do you think no one would care if a white actor played Muhammad Ali? How ridiculous of you, no white actor would sent to audition. That is fact. Nothing to do with ability all to do with colour. Of course, a b,ack actor should play the part, he was black. Ann Boleyn was white…fact That might be how you would see it, if you were a Director casting a play. Another Director, seeking to make a specific point, might deliberately cast the role differently. He might be seeking a reaction. Exactly the same with Ann Boleyn. Unless you are trying to produce a historically accurate documentary anything could be done. Fact! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 23 1.30pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

So do you think no one would care if a white actor played Muhammad Ali? How ridiculous of you, no white actor would sent to audition. That is fact. Nothing to do with ability all to do with colour.
Of course, a b,ack actor should play the part, he was black. Ann Boleyn was white…fact

That might be how you would see it, if you were a Director casting a play.

Another Director, seeking to make a specific point, might deliberately cast the role differently. He might be seeking a reaction. Exactly the same with Ann Boleyn. Unless you are trying to produce a historically accurate documentary anything could be done. Fact!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 23 1.33pm
Originally posted by georgenorman Bert met Eric at a time when the country was comparatively sane; before authoritarians like you stated telling people who they should or should not do business with and what they must or must not collaborate in. I am not telling anyone anything. I am suggesting changes that, ultimately, would, in my opinion, improve the way people treat each other. Which would extend well beyond a baker's shop. It would be for Parliament to do the telling. And for us to choose the Parliament. Not me. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 23 1.33pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

I am not telling anyone anything.

I am suggesting changes that, ultimately, would, in my opinion, improve the way people treat each other. Which would extend well beyond a baker's shop.

It would be for Parliament to do the telling. And for us to choose the Parliament. Not me.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 21 Mar 23 1.35pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Why? If a Director wants to make a statement he can cast it whichever way he wants. That's the whole point. In the Fleming books was Bond's skin colour even mentioned, or are you making assumptions based on every actor cast so far? His father was Scottish and his mother was Swiss. Work it out.

Teddy Eagle

21 Mar 23 1.35pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why?

If a Director wants to make a statement he can cast it whichever way he wants. That's the whole point. In the Fleming books was Bond's skin colour even mentioned, or are you making assumptions based on every actor cast so far?

His father was Scottish and his mother was Swiss. Work it out.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 23 1.36pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC The rumbling of an accessibility ramp construction in the jungle. Jason Donovan as Don King. Jennifer Aniston comedy love interest. Ali has second thoughts and considers abandoning Islam - questioning his affliction and giving up boxing in order to teach Palestinian kids. A final monologue about the VAT on vehicles modified for disability. Blamed somehow on Israel or Trump. I think you should send that screenplay to Spielberg. Sounds like box office gold to me! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 23 1.36pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

The rumbling of an accessibility ramp construction in the jungle. Jason Donovan as Don King. Jennifer Aniston comedy love interest. Ali has second thoughts and considers abandoning Islam - questioning his affliction and giving up boxing in order to teach Palestinian kids. A final monologue about the VAT on vehicles modified for disability. Blamed somehow on Israel or Trump.

I think you should send that screenplay to Spielberg. Sounds like box office gold to me!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 21 Mar 23 1.38pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle His father was Scottish and his mother was Swiss. Work it out. Plus the fact, it was based upon his own career. This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 21 Mar 23 1.38pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

His father was Scottish and his mother was Swiss. Work it out.

Plus the fact, it was based upon his own career.

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 23 1.43pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle His father was Scottish and his mother was Swiss. Work it out. So what? People from Africa have settled in both countries over the years. An enterprising Director could easily invent a backstory. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 23 1.43pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

His father was Scottish and his mother was Swiss. Work it out.

So what? People from Africa have settled in both countries over the years. An enterprising Director could easily invent a backstory.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 21 Mar 23 1.46pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle So what? People from Africa have settled in both countries over the years. An enterprising Director could easily invent a backstory. Really? Congratulations on the straw grasping. He could also get a writer to create a new character.

Teddy Eagle

21 Mar 23 1.46pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So what? People from Africa have settled in both countries over the years. An enterprising Director could easily invent a backstory.

Really? Congratulations on the straw grasping.
He could also get a writer to create a new character.

Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 21 Mar 23 1.47pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle So what? People from Africa have settled in both countries over the years. An enterprising Director could easily invent a backstory. And changed their surname to 'Bond' presumably? Or is 'Bond' of Swahili origin? I'm not sure if you are having a laugh or do live in some sort of alternate reality occasionally. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 21 Mar 23 1.47pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So what? People from Africa have settled in both countries over the years. An enterprising Director could easily invent a backstory.

And changed their surname to 'Bond' presumably? Or is 'Bond' of Swahili origin?

I'm not sure if you are having a laugh or do live in some sort of alternate reality occasionally.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 21 Mar 23 1.52pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I think you should send that screenplay to Spielberg. Sounds like box office gold to me! As I wrote it I felt all those overworked Hollywood screenwriters feverishly wondering how they hadn't come up with it. Probably flop at the box office but would win every Oscar hands down. And become a hit on streaming services. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 21 Mar 23 1.52pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I think you should send that screenplay to Spielberg. Sounds like box office gold to me!

As I wrote it I felt all those overworked Hollywood screenwriters feverishly wondering how they hadn't come up with it. Probably flop at the box office but would win every Oscar hands down. And become a hit on streaming services.

Red and Blue Army!

georgenorman 21 Mar 23 2.03pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle What is your fixation with "leftist"? I use my own brain. The reason I referenced them was to assist you in using yours. he immigrant population of Britain has not gone from next to nothing in the 1940s to 26% in 70 years. We both have an immigrant heritage, as does everyone in the UK. Immigration has always happened. It's nothing new, just as objections to it aren't anything new. I don't suppose the Romans or the Normans were welcomed with open arms, let alone the Vikings! It goes in waves, and takes time to settle down. My parents were both strongly opposed to those who arrived in the 50s and 60s, from the Caribbean, India and Africa. Most of us accept that now as just part of our history, although I expect you still think they should all "be sent back". Assimilation takes time, sometimes a lot of time, and it demands effort, sometimes a great deal of effort, but it happens. Cultures change, birth rates trend downwards to match the average. Intermarriages occur, demarcation lines get blurred, and we end up with a population in which our Roman, Norman and Viking genes might still be there, but we are all British. So yes, this is a conspiracy theory and a very nasty one. Like it has in the USA so successfully?

georgenorman

21 Mar 23 2.03pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What is your fixation with "leftist"? I use my own brain. The reason I referenced them was to assist you in using yours.

he immigrant population of Britain has not gone from next to nothing in the 1940s to 26% in 70 years.

Assimilation takes time, sometimes a lot of time, and it demands effort, sometimes a great deal of effort, but it happens. Cultures change, birth rates trend downwards to match the average. Intermarriages occur, demarcation lines get blurred, and we end up with a population in which our Roman, Norman and Viking genes might still be there, but we are all British.

So yes, this is a conspiracy theory and a very nasty one.

Like it has in the USA so successfully?

georgenorman 21 Mar 23 2.14pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I am not telling anyone anything. I am suggesting changes that, ultimately, would, in my opinion, improve the way people treat each other. Which would extend well beyond a baker's shop. It would be for Parliament to do the telling. And for us to choose the Parliament. Not me. Man proposing that businesses should be obliged to use slogans they disagree with on their products says he is not telling people what to do conundrum.

georgenorman

21 Mar 23 2.14pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am not telling anyone anything.

I am suggesting changes that, ultimately, would, in my opinion, improve the way people treat each other. Which would extend well beyond a baker's shop.

It would be for Parliament to do the telling. And for us to choose the Parliament. Not me.

Man proposing that businesses should be obliged to use slogans they disagree with on their products says he is not telling people what to do conundrum.

Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 21 Mar 23 2.28pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC As I wrote it I felt all those overworked Hollywood screenwriters feverishly wondering how they hadn't come up with it. Probably flop at the box office but would win every Oscar hands down. And become a hit on streaming services. I've always considered you to be an underappreciated talent of our time ASCPFC, for what it's worth. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 21 Mar 23 2.28pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I've always considered you to be an underappreciated talent of our time ASCPFC, for what it's worth.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 21 Mar 23 3.03pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 I've always considered you to be an underappreciated talent of our time ASCPFC, for what it's worth. That's worth quite a lot mate. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 21 Mar 23 3.03pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I've always considered you to be an underappreciated talent of our time ASCPFC, for what it's worth.

That's worth quite a lot mate.

Red and Blue Army!

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 23 9.26pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Really? Congratulations on the straw grasping. He could also get a writer to create a new character. He could but if the point was being directed at the way Bond is to be perceived then he wouldn't. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 23 9.26pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Really? Congratulations on the straw grasping.
He could also get a writer to create a new character.

He could but if the point was being directed at the way Bond is to be perceived then he wouldn't.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 23 9.33pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 And changed their surname to 'Bond' presumably? Or is 'Bond' of Swahili origin? I'm not sure if you are having a laugh or do live in some sort of alternate reality occasionally. Neither. All I am doing is pointing out that some Directors have some strange and challenging ideas. Nobody is compelled to like them, or watch them. I probably wouldn't either, but some would. It takes all sorts! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Mar 23 9.33pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

And changed their surname to 'Bond' presumably? Or is 'Bond' of Swahili origin?

I'm not sure if you are having a laugh or do live in some sort of alternate reality occasionally.

Neither. All I am doing is pointing out that some Directors have some strange and challenging ideas. Nobody is compelled to like them, or watch them. I probably wouldn't either, but some would. It takes all sorts!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 21 Mar 23 10.17pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle He could but if the point was being directed at the way Bond is to be perceived then he wouldn't. The point is that James Bond is a White character. In the same way John Shaft is a Black character. Why change either?

Teddy Eagle

21 Mar 23 10.17pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

He could but if the point was being directed at the way Bond is to be perceived then he wouldn't.

The point is that James Bond is a White character. In the same way John Shaft is a Black character. Why change either?

Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 21 Mar 23 11.11pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Why? If a Director wants to make a statement he can cast it whichever way he wants. That's the whole point. In the Fleming books was Bond's skin colour even mentioned, or are you making assumptions based on every actor cast so far? In the novel 'Live And Let Die', it states that James Bond and Felix Leiter stand out like a sore thumb, as they are two white men in a predominantly black area. Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Stoke sub normal 21 Mar 23 11.11pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why?

In the novel 'Live And Let Die', it states that James Bond and Felix Leiter stand out like a sore thumb, as they are two white men in a predominantly black area.

Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

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