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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
This is the usual 'remainer' fear mongering. Sure, this isn't the deal I want but you frame things like they are set in stone. We haven't even negotiated much of the trade yet and we will be moving towards ridding ourselves of much of the 'remainer' junk that still exists. We just need some time and a reasonable Johnson majority.....with all the Tories being leavers...and both look likely.
Exactly the 20 or so Tory rebels are pretty much gone and presumably will be replaced by candidates who will vote for Brexit. Assuming that they retain those Tory seats that bumps Johnson's majority even if he ends up with the same number of seats as last time.
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Originally posted by sickboy
As I've said before. ‘Position of strength’, we’re leaving the flock to go and negotiate with the wolves.
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Originally posted by berlinpalace
‘Position of strength’, we’re leaving the flock to go and negotiate with the wolves. I hear Germany are about to go into recession. Some flock. And besides, we will still trade with the EU....We just won't wear its collar. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Nov 2019 8.41pm)
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Originally posted by steeleye20
An isolated country like the UK, whatever will be left of it, is hardly in a position of strength in negotiations with the EU bloc or the USA. The Canada negotiation took 7 years and was in doubt right to the last, the UK would be far more complex. The american president has already said no to Johnsons deal. UK is like a man on a window ledge, seemingly unable to see what is in front of its eyes. Oh ok....So where are you moving to then?....seeing as we are on a window ledge. Surely you won't be leaching a pension off of a country you hate.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
An isolated country like the UK, whatever will be left of it, is hardly in a position of strength in negotiations with the EU bloc or the USA. The Canada negotiation took 7 years and was in doubt right to the last, the UK would be far more complex. The american president has already said no to Johnsons deal. UK is like a man on a window ledge, seemingly unable to see what is in front of its eyes. I don't agree. We are already have a trade agreement with the EU as we are currently a member. The negotiation should be about the differences post Brexit e.g. we don't want freedom of movement. It will only be difficult if the EU chooses to make it so. If Boris gets a good majority then the EU will know that if there is no deal when the extension period is up he has the power to walk away. The EU themselves are fed up with Brexit and would like to put it to bed so they can get on with welcoming the 7 new members and doing whatever it is they are planning to do in their brave new world. If both sides show good faith it should not be difficult it is about the 10% that is different not the 90% that remains the same. Edited by Badger11 (11 Nov 2019 9.20pm)
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Oh ok....So where are you moving to then?....seeing as we are on a window ledge. Surely you won't be leaching a pension off of a country you hate. Receiving a pension he has paid into. Hate or love doesn't come into it. Only you BREXIT extremist add a patriotism qualification into it.
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Originally posted by Bill E Pilgrim
Receiving a pension he has paid into. Hate or love doesn't come into it. Only you BREXIT extremist add a patriotism qualification into everyday day working life.
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Originally posted by Badger11
I don't agree. We are already have a trade agreement with the EU as we are currently a member. The negotiation should be about the differences post Brexit e.g. we don't want freedom of movement. It will only be difficult if the EU chooses to make it so. If Boris gets a good majority then the EU will know that if there is no deal when the extension period is up he has the power to walk away. The EU themselves are fed up with Brexit and would like to put it to bed so they can get on with welcoming the 7 new members and doing whatever it is they are planning to do in their brave new world. If both sides show good faith it should not be difficult it is about the 10% that is different not the 90% that remains the same. Edited by Badger11 (11 Nov 2019 9.20pm) If you think the Tories will stick with a restriction on free movement when it keeps labour cheap, you do not understand the Tory party and the paper you (owned by a Billionaire)read that has convinced you to vote against your interest. Also that trade agreement you are clinging to become null and void when are are no longer members especially if it is aggressively Boris style ended. Then we became eg little cock Engerlaaand - with the Scots, Ireland and even Wales wanting out. Thatcher f***ed the industrial based and the bankers wont stick around so I hope there is a world market for Kent Ales and the reconditioned Escorts Mexicos from Essex. Edited by Bill E Pilgrim (12 Nov 2019 1.17am)
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Originally posted by Bill E Pilgrim
Receiving a pension he has paid into. Hate or love doesn't come into it. Only you BREXIT extremist add a patriotism qualification into it. It comes into it morally, certainly from my perspective. As for calling me an Brexit extremist.....errrr....this country wasn't in the EU before 1973 and several European countries exist outside of the EU...there's no extremism about it...Anyway you're been advocating for communism so for you to call me an extremist is quite amusing.
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Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE
Nice one Nigel! A bad day for Labour, LibDems and Remainers. A good day for the Tories, Brexiteers and democracy. Brexit incoming soon. Real soon. A great day. We can see the enemy. Vote Tories and we'll be subject of the USA super state without a voice (with Nigel and Boris kissing Trumps arse or should I say ass) or vote for a second referendum and we vote after free years of informed debate. THE NHS IS NOT FOR SALE DANGERCLOSE!
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Originally posted by Bill E Pilgrim
Receiving a pension he has paid into. Hate or love doesn't come into it. Only you BREXIT extremist add a patriotism qualification into it.
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Originally posted by Bill E Pilgrim
A great day. We can see the enemy. Vote Tories and we'll be subject of the USA super state without a voice (with Nigel and Boris kissing Trumps arse or should I say ass) or vote for a second referendum and we vote after free years of informed debate. THE NHS IS NOT FOR SALE DANGERCLOSE! Project Fear is alive and well. Knowing what we all know now the results of the December General Election will show everyone what the majority now want
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Originally posted by steeleye20
An isolated country like the UK, whatever will be left of it, is hardly in a position of strength in negotiations with the EU bloc or the USA. The Canada negotiation took 7 years and was in doubt right to the last, the UK would be far more complex. Canada hardly comes top of most countries' wish lists to sign trade deals with whereas the UK are greedy consumers of a whole range of goods that the main EU countries want to sell not to mention wanting us to spend our hard earned sterling on holiday there.
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Originally posted by Bill E Pilgrim
If you think the Tories will stick with a restriction on free movement when it keeps labour cheap, you do not understand the Tory party and the paper you (owned by a Billionaire)read that has convinced you to vote against your interest. Also that trade agreement you are clinging to become null and void when are are no longer members especially if it is aggressively Boris style ended. Then we became eg little cock Engerlaaand - with the Scots, Ireland and even Wales wanting out. Thatcher f***ed the industrial based and the bankers wont stick around so I hope there is a world market for Kent Ales and the reconditioned Escorts Mexicos from Essex. Edited by Bill E Pilgrim (12 Nov 2019 1.17am) Of course it becomes null and void when we leave however it is a starting point for a negotiation the main criteria of which is that both sides need to show good faith. The EU wants money, access to our market and probably freedom of movement for their people. The UK wants tariff free access to the EU and freedom to make its own deals with other nations. There is plenty of wiggle room for both side, for instance I am not bothered about freedom of movement so if a EU workers wants to take a high paying job here without needing a visa that's fine by me. However I would denying them benefits and welfare for say 5 years. This would stop them competing for low paid jobs with our own people. That is one example and not necessarily the right answer but all things are possible if both sides show willing. Have a little faith and if post Brexit Boris hasn't leaved up to expectations well then at the next after after this the public will vote for Corbyn's successor. Edited by Badger11 (12 Nov 2019 8.08am)
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Originally posted by steeleye20
An isolated country like the UK, whatever will be left of it, is hardly in a position of strength in negotiations with the EU bloc or the USA. The Canada negotiation took 7 years and was in doubt right to the last, the UK would be far more complex. The american president has already said no to Johnsons deal. UK is like a man on a window ledge, seemingly unable to see what is in front of its eyes. But the world and his wife want to live here! Must be a very large window ledge. Presumably you will want to be at the front to throw yourself off, as you do nothing but slate this country. Of course I agree it has many faults, no more so than in Parliament but to continually "slag" it off is becoming tedious
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Typical in democratic EU BBC News - General election 2019: Don't give up on stopping Brexit - Tusk
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Originally posted by Badger11
To be safe let's start again with re-running the 2016 referendum. LOL. Like that would ever happen. The whole point of Labours supposed '2nd' referendum is that it would essentially be nothing more than us having to rubber stamp 'Remain' given that the only other option will be a horrendous Leave deal that they will not be backing anyway. Nothing more than an attempt to protect their own vanity about masquerading as democrats. Personally I welcome the likes of Tusk and co letting us know what they think. Because it works. Truly helps the Leave cause. When this entire s*** show is done and dusted I would love to be able to sit down with some ardent Remainers and ask them about their collective thought processes. Try and work out how they intended to persuade people who voted Leave in 2016 to change their minds by A: heaping insult upon insult upon them and B: how the intervention of the very people who drove over 17.4 million people to vote leave telling us all how silly we were helps anything? Remainers put great store in the fact that they are more likely to be University Graduates and so on yet their entire campaign to reverse the 2016 result has been so utterly s***e that you have to question just how intelligent they actually are. Thick as Pig s*** is my less than biased opinion but I am happy to be corrected.
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Typical in democratic EU BBC News - General election 2019: Don't give up on stopping Brexit - Tusk Hope he doesn't mention football.
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