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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 28 Sep 16 10.02pm
Corbyn wants to bring socialism back. Why? It doesn't work. It never has. It is a very desirable utopian idea. I would love the human race to be socialist. We could all get along fine. Everyone would be equal. Everyone would share with those with less. Humans are not like that though. If your lazy neighbour won't cut his lawn, you will not cut it for him, because he's lazy. So everyone is not the same. However, if he washed your car while you cut his grass, that's fine. But he's lazy. So he won't. People are different. Some are rich and greedy (fat Sam? type) whilst others are poor and giving (Mother Theresa? type). That is why socialism won't work. If everyone thought the same, it would work, but we don't. And if you enforce it, you're back to square one. Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Stoke sub normal 28 Sep 16 10.02pm

Corbyn wants to bring socialism back. Why?

It doesn't work. It never has. It is a very desirable utopian idea. I would love the human race to be socialist. We could all get along fine. Everyone would be equal. Everyone would share with those with less.

Humans are not like that though. If your lazy neighbour won't cut his lawn, you will not cut it for him, because he's lazy. So everyone is not the same.

However, if he washed your car while you cut his grass, that's fine.

But he's lazy. So he won't.

People are different. Some are rich and greedy (fat Sam? type) whilst others are poor and giving (Mother Theresa? type).

That is why socialism won't work. If everyone thought the same, it would work, but we don't. And if you enforce it, you're back to square one.

Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 29 Sep 16 1.38am
It's 2016 & frankly embarrassing that people still hold these outdated views. Corbyn is a dinosaur. Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 29 Sep 16 1.38am

It's 2016 & frankly embarrassing that people still hold these outdated views. Corbyn is a dinosaur.

Pro USA & Israel

bromerzz Deryneia Cyprus 29 Sep 16 4.27am
He wants to set up a Trabant car factory to replace all the Japanese firms leaving the UK after Brexit. What a knobber. Edited by bromerzz (29 Sep 2016 4.29am)

bromerzz

Deryneia Cyprus 29 Sep 16 4.27am

He wants to set up a Trabant car factory to replace all the Japanese firms leaving the UK after Brexit. What a knobber.

Edited by bromerzz (29 Sep 2016 4.29am)

Hoof Hearted 29 Sep 16 8.31am
Originally posted by nickgusset Hoof, I'll let you carry on showing yerself up mate. If you don't want to counter argument unless it's ad hominem, that's your prerogative. You've posted that pyramid up on here countless number of times too Gusset.... it's largely ignored by the regular posters on here and yet again shows you ripping off others' material instead of creating your own stuff. If your memory and/or talents aren't that good to remember what you have or haven't posted start writing things down or keeping a log.

Hoof Hearted 29 Sep 16 8.31am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Hoof, I'll let you carry on showing yerself up mate.
If you don't want to counter argument unless it's ad hominem, that's your prerogative.

You've posted that pyramid up on here countless number of times too Gusset.... it's largely ignored by the regular posters on here and yet again shows you ripping off others' material instead of creating your own stuff.

If your memory and/or talents aren't that good to remember what you have or haven't posted start writing things down or keeping a log.

Hoof Hearted 29 Sep 16 8.36am
Originally posted by bromerzz He wants to set up a Trabant car factory to replace all the Japanese firms leaving the UK after Brexit. What a knobber. Edited by bromerzz (29 Sep 2016 4.29am) He still thinks it's the 1970's I believe. Last year he was talking about re-opening the south wales coal fields! ... and for stupidity backing the protesters against fracking simultaneously! Prize plum.

Hoof Hearted 29 Sep 16 8.36am

Originally posted by bromerzz

He wants to set up a Trabant car factory to replace all the Japanese firms leaving the UK after Brexit. What a knobber.

Edited by bromerzz (29 Sep 2016 4.29am)

He still thinks it's the 1970's I believe.

Last year he was talking about re-opening the south wales coal fields!

... and for stupidity backing the protesters against fracking simultaneously!

Prize plum.

DivingIsNotGood se25 29 Sep 16 9.14am
Says it all [Link] Only a few of us on here backed JC, who's looking stupid now? VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

DivingIsNotGood

se25 29 Sep 16 9.14am

Says it all [Link]

Only a few of us on here backed JC, who's looking stupid now?

VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

Mapletree Croydon 29 Sep 16 9.23am
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted He still thinks it's the 1970's I believe. Last year he was talking about re-opening the south wales coal fields! ... and for stupidity backing the protesters against fracking simultaneously! Prize plum. The UK consumed 37.8 million tonnes of coal in 2015, including 29.3 million tonnes in power stations. Coal imports to the UK were 25.5 million tonnes. So we produce a quarter of the coal we consume. Seems to me there is a market, no? As Gusset says, have a pop ad hominem at Corbyn but please don't let facts get in your way.

Mapletree

Croydon 29 Sep 16 9.23am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

He still thinks it's the 1970's I believe.

Last year he was talking about re-opening the south wales coal fields!

... and for stupidity backing the protesters against fracking simultaneously!

Prize plum.

The UK consumed 37.8 million tonnes of coal in 2015, including 29.3 million tonnes in power stations.
Coal imports to the UK were 25.5 million tonnes. So we produce a quarter of the coal we consume.

Seems to me there is a market, no?

As Gusset says, have a pop ad hominem at Corbyn but please don't let facts get in your way.

Kermit8 Hevon 29 Sep 16 9.27am
Everyday you yourself experience and see others too benefiting from the success stories of ongoing socialism. It's not an outdated concept. Plenty of fvck ups, sure, but plenty of good stuff too. Free education, for example. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 29 Sep 16 9.27am

Everyday you yourself experience and see others too benefiting from the success stories of ongoing socialism.

It's not an outdated concept.

Plenty of fvck ups, sure, but plenty of good stuff too.

Free education, for example.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

banbandanas Birmingham 29 Sep 16 9.36am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Everyday you yourself experience and see others too benefiting from the success stories of ongoing socialism. It's not an outdated concept. Plenty of fvck ups, sure, but plenty of good stuff too. Free education, for example. Brought in by non-socialist nineteenth-century governments.

banbandanas

Birmingham 29 Sep 16 9.36am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Everyday you yourself experience and see others too benefiting from the success stories of ongoing socialism.

It's not an outdated concept.

Plenty of fvck ups, sure, but plenty of good stuff too.

Free education, for example.

Brought in by non-socialist nineteenth-century governments.

Jacey 29 Sep 16 10.28am
Wants a nuclear free world. Wants total peace and a world free of war. Will appoint a Minister for Peace. Wants uncontrolled immigration,as we have currently. Wants a minimum universal credit for all the population and a minimum rate of £10 per hour. No clear picture as to how he will defend Britain, or finance his outrageous spending plans. Wants power,but in my view, is doomed to the history book of failure.

Jacey

29 Sep 16 10.28am

Wants a nuclear free world.
Wants total peace and a world free of war.
Will appoint a Minister for Peace.
Wants uncontrolled immigration,as we have currently.
Wants a minimum universal credit for all the population and a minimum rate of £10 per hour.
No clear picture as to how he will defend Britain, or finance his outrageous spending plans.
Wants power,but in my view, is doomed to the history book of failure.

gbox82 Meols, Wirral 29 Sep 16 10.39am
[quote=Tim Gypsy Hill '64;3063093] Corbyn wants to bring socialism back. Why? It doesn't work. It never has. It is a very desirable utopian idea. I would love the human race to be socialist. We could all get along fine. Everyone would be equal. Everyone would share with those with less. Humans are not like that though. If your lazy neighbour won't cut his lawn, you will not cut it for him, because he's lazy. So everyone is not the same. However, if he washed your car while you cut his grass, that's fine. But he's lazy. So he won't. People are different. Some are rich and greedy (fat Sam? type) whilst others are poor and giving (Mother Theresa? type). That is why socialism won't work. If everyone thought the same, it would work, but we don't. And if you enforce it, you're back to square one. I've never seen it summarised better! Good post

gbox82

Meols, Wirral 29 Sep 16 10.39am

[quote=Tim Gypsy Hill '64;3063093]

Corbyn wants to bring socialism back. Why?

Humans are not like that though. If your lazy neighbour won't cut his lawn, you will not cut it for him, because he's lazy. So everyone is not the same.

However, if he washed your car while you cut his grass, that's fine.

But he's lazy. So he won't.

People are different. Some are rich and greedy (fat Sam? type) whilst others are poor and giving (Mother Theresa? type).

That is why socialism won't work. If everyone thought the same, it would work, but we don't. And if you enforce it, you're back to square one.

I've never seen it summarised better! Good post

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 29 Sep 16 11.07am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Everyday you yourself experience and see others too benefiting from the success stories of ongoing socialism. It's not an outdated concept. Plenty of fvck ups, sure, but plenty of good stuff too. Free education, for example. Socialism as a concept? Maybe However Corbyn and Momentum have spent the last 3 months distancing themselves from the achievements of Blair: Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries Introduced the National Minimum Wage Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnership Free TV licences for over-75s £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s Funding for every pupil in England has doubled Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70 All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time He was apparently Tory Light. the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 29 Sep 16 11.07am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Everyday you yourself experience and see others too benefiting from the success stories of ongoing socialism.

It's not an outdated concept.

Plenty of fvck ups, sure, but plenty of good stuff too.

Free education, for example.

Socialism as a concept? Maybe

However Corbyn and Momentum have spent the last 3 months distancing themselves from the achievements of Blair:

Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries
Introduced the National Minimum Wage
Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnership
Free TV licences for over-75s
£200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s
Funding for every pupil in England has doubled
Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds
Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school
Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70
All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday
Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time

He was apparently Tory Light.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

Kermit8 Hevon 29 Sep 16 11.19am
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch Socialism as a concept? Maybe However Corbyn and Momentum have spent the last 3 months distancing themselves from the achievements of Blair: Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries Introduced the National Minimum Wage Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnership Free TV licences for over-75s £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s Funding for every pupil in England has doubled Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70 All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time He was apparently Tory Light. He had his serious faults did old Tone but can't argue with that. Certainly a massive improvement on the social policies of the Tories that were in power before him. My point about socialism not being outdated stands purely because some of the laws and policies that worked and have direct socialist principles have not been repealed. Workers rights, free health care, the idea of social housing, etc. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 29 Sep 16 11.19am

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Socialism as a concept? Maybe

However Corbyn and Momentum have spent the last 3 months distancing themselves from the achievements of Blair:

He was apparently Tory Light.

He had his serious faults did old Tone but can't argue with that. Certainly a massive improvement on the social policies of the Tories that were in power before him.

My point about socialism not being outdated stands purely because some of the laws and policies that worked and have direct socialist principles have not been repealed.

Workers rights, free health care, the idea of social housing, etc.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Hoof Hearted 29 Sep 16 12.08pm
Originally posted by Mapletree The UK consumed 37.8 million tonnes of coal in 2015, including 29.3 million tonnes in power stations. Coal imports to the UK were 25.5 million tonnes. So we produce a quarter of the coal we consume. Seems to me there is a market, no? As Gusset says, have a pop ad hominem at Corbyn but please don't let facts get in your way. The "facts" are that usage of coal is on a steep decline in the UK.... particularly for generating power. We are gradually phasing out the polluting power sources (coal production will be reduced to zero but gas and oil will be significantly reduced too) with a view to replacing them with renewable sources like wind/solar generated and to a lesser degree nuclear generated - as well as developing smarter ways to store energy particularly at times when demand on the grid is low. It therefore makes no sense to re-open mine workings with all the cost of health and safety and draining them from decades of flooding as well retraining the workforce. So... in this case my "ad hominem pop" at Corbyn is fully justified... just like all the others were. It would help if you and Gusset stopped using fancy phrases and just spoke plain english like wot I do... LOL Interesting that I never got a reply to this post? All I try to do is give common sense replies that use simple easy to understand language and unquestionable facts yet I get castigated for criticising Gusset and others for using gobbledegook phrases like "Ad Hominen" and posting up lefty biased blogs. Edited by Hoof Hearted (30 Sep 2016 10.48am)

Hoof Hearted 29 Sep 16 12.08pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

The UK consumed 37.8 million tonnes of coal in 2015, including 29.3 million tonnes in power stations.
Coal imports to the UK were 25.5 million tonnes. So we produce a quarter of the coal we consume.

Seems to me there is a market, no?

As Gusset says, have a pop ad hominem at Corbyn but please don't let facts get in your way.

The "facts" are that usage of coal is on a steep decline in the UK.... particularly for generating power.

We are gradually phasing out the polluting power sources (coal production will be reduced to zero but gas and oil will be significantly reduced too) with a view to replacing them with renewable sources like wind/solar generated and to a lesser degree nuclear generated - as well as developing smarter ways to store energy particularly at times when demand on the grid is low.

It therefore makes no sense to re-open mine workings with all the cost of health and safety and draining them from decades of flooding as well retraining the workforce.

So... in this case my "ad hominem pop" at Corbyn is fully justified... just like all the others were.

It would help if you and Gusset stopped using fancy phrases and just spoke plain english like wot I do... LOL

Interesting that I never got a reply to this post?

All I try to do is give common sense replies that use simple easy to understand language and unquestionable facts yet I get castigated for criticising Gusset and others for using gobbledegook phrases like "Ad Hominen" and posting up lefty biased blogs.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (30 Sep 2016 10.48am)

Hoof Hearted 29 Sep 16 12.22pm
Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood Says it all [Link] Only a few of us on here backed JC, who's looking stupid now? "JC" - as you refer to him only won a Labour leadership contest. I won Poster Of The Year on the Hol. Neither of us are likely to win a General Election in 2020 or earlier if Teresa May calls a snap election.

Hoof Hearted 29 Sep 16 12.22pm

Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood

Says it all [Link]

Only a few of us on here backed JC, who's looking stupid now?

"JC" - as you refer to him only won a Labour leadership contest.

I won Poster Of The Year on the Hol.

Neither of us are likely to win a General Election in 2020 or earlier if Teresa May calls a snap election.

Hrolf The Ganger 29 Sep 16 12.40pm
It gets worse. Corbyn now promising everything but with no means to pay for it in typical Labour fashion. He even said that he might raise taxes. Political suicide. He got an 18 second round of applause. Poor Jeremy. Now back to the real world.

Hrolf The Ganger

29 Sep 16 12.40pm

It gets worse.

Corbyn now promising everything but with no means to pay for it in typical Labour fashion. He even said that he might raise taxes.

Political suicide.

He got an 18 second round of applause. Poor Jeremy.

Now back to the real world.

Jacey 29 Sep 16 12.53pm
Corbyn is very happy with unrestricted immigration as official Labour policy,which has probably condemned them to opposition for generations.

Jacey

29 Sep 16 12.53pm

Corbyn is very happy with unrestricted immigration as official Labour policy,which has probably condemned them to opposition for generations.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 Sep 16 4.11pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted You've posted that pyramid up on here countless number of times too Gusset.... it's largely ignored by the regular posters on here and yet again shows you ripping off others' material instead of creating your own stuff. If your memory and/or talents aren't that good to remember what you have or haven't posted start writing things down or keeping a log. Twas just a reminder that you barely make it past the second tier

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 29 Sep 16 4.11pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

If your memory and/or talents aren't that good to remember what you have or haven't posted start writing things down or keeping a log.

Twas just a reminder that you barely make it past the second tier

Part Time James 29 Sep 16 4.17pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted "JC" - as you refer to him only won a Labour leadership contest. I won Poster Of The Year on the Hol. Neither of us are likely to win a General Election in 2020 or earlier if Teresa May calls a snap election. I'd vote for you before him. But that said, it'd partly be the guilt of not having nominated for you a HOL award...

Part Time James

29 Sep 16 4.17pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

"JC" - as you refer to him only won a Labour leadership contest.

I won Poster Of The Year on the Hol.

Neither of us are likely to win a General Election in 2020 or earlier if Teresa May calls a snap election.

I'd vote for you before him. But that said, it'd partly be the guilt of not having nominated for you a HOL award...

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 29 Sep 16 4.22pm
Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood Says it all [Link] Only a few of us on here backed JC, who's looking stupid now? I do not think you have noticed that a huge amount of people joined labour last year for a very simple reason and that was just so that they could vote him in as leader again as they know he will never win a general election and keep the Tories in power for at least the next ten years. By having him as leader Labour as much chance of getting JC into downing street as I have of beating him to it.!! I bet the people who joined his party for £3 and £25 are laughing at Labour now. Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 29 Sep 16 4.22pm

Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood

Says it all [Link]

Only a few of us on here backed JC, who's looking stupid now?

I do not think you have noticed that a huge amount of people joined labour last year for a very simple reason and that was just so that they could vote him in as leader again as they know he will never win a general election and keep the Tories in power for at least the next ten years. By having him as leader Labour as much chance of getting JC into downing street as I have of beating him to it.!!

I bet the people who joined his party for £3 and £25 are laughing at Labour now.

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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