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 Spiderman  Horsham 10 Jan 20 6.33pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There is so much wrong with this post that it's impossible to to know where to start. So I will only comment on the one thing you have got right. Everything else is totally wrong. You are though dead right that whilst a battle has been lost the war is very far from over. Why on earth would you expect anything else? Farage was already announcing his determination to continue his fight back in 2016 when the early exit polls indicated that remain had "won". Chuck out the insults. Misrepresent the motives. It won't make the slightest difference. The battlefield has been redrawn and new weapons need to be sharpened and made ready so a period of rest and recuperation is needed. Those doing the planning are already grouped together watching how things develop and probing for weaknesses. Time is on the side of those with the best arguments. When reality strikes ours will be ready and the people will listen. I think you should start using IMO in your posts because this constant diatribe that everyone else is wrong is pretty monotonous
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 Hrolf The Ganger 10 Jan 20 6.49pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Please see my reply to cpfc_chap above. Add to that that only 72% of those eligible voted. That 18% could have made all the difference as there was, in my opinion, significantly more apathy in the remain camp than in the fully motivated leave one. It was a split vote then and it remains split today. Split right down the middle. You cannot manage a country which is so divided by supporting only one of those views. You need to search for common ground and compromise. Those words should choke you.
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| Stirlingsays 10 Jan 20 9.22pm |
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Jan 20 9.51pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I think you mean 28%. So do you know how that 28% would have voted? If there was apathy in the remain camp, tough s***, they shouldn't have been so arrogant. Similarities to the Democrats during last Presidential elections People suffer from apathy for a number of reasons. Arrogance could be one but it's not the only one. Even if it was 100% arrogance it makes no difference. People's views matter and they need to be determined. As I personally believe in compulsory voting I give no-one a pass for not doing so. You can spoil your vote but everyone should participate.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Jan 20 9.53pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
But she voted to leave! There you go again For reasons that even she would admit weren't really thought out in full! Edited by Wisbech Eagle (10 Jan 2020 10.28pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Jan 20 9.59pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
In the real world or just in yours? The election result suggests different. You sound like the Labour MPs who cant admit that their party had got it completely wrong Oh in the real world and not in the fantasy one of the hardline Brexiteer. The election result was to elect a government. It was not a vote on the merits, or otherwise, of a Brexit or which kind of Brexit people preferred. The prior polls are a more reliable guide to how people now feel about us leaving. The election only demonstrated that in a first past the post system those who are tired of the whole process elected a government prepared to end it. There is a huge difference. Although somehow I doubt if too many here will understand why let alone acknowledge it.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Jan 20 10.03pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I think you should start using IMO in your posts because this constant diatribe that everyone else is wrong is pretty monotonous I was referring to that post specifically, which even in this thread of half truths and downright lies was exceptional in it's nonstop erroneous claims and insults. Read it for yourself with at least a half open mind and you might just see what I mean. I start from the position that Brexit is a bad mistake which was avoidable and ought to have been avoided. Everything flows from that.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Jan 20 10.07pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Those words should choke you. The need for common sense and compromise has nothing at all to do with me or my own views. I would like Brexit consigned to the history books asap. I do though recognise that half the country disagrees with me and that their views need to be understood and accommodated. Do you understand those who agree with me and accept that until we find a compromise that both sides can live with this dispute will never be solved?
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cryrst  The garden of England 10 Jan 20 10.07pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Jane is no racist! She is a decent, friendly and well mannered publican who serves good food and better company. She does though, by her own admission, have a sketchy knowledge of politics. For instance she thinks that after the end of this month there won't be any "foreign" trawlers landing fish in Cornwall. She is a typical "we need to change something" voter who always seem to think the grass next door must be greener. A bit like buying a new striker and finding out he isn't as good as the ones we already have. It boosts the moral of a few for a while but is bound to end in tears. "A sketchy view of politics"
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| cryrst The garden of England 10 Jan 20 10.09pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The need for common sense and compromise has nothing at all to do with me or my own views. I would like Brexit consigned to the history books asap. I do though recognise that half the country disagrees with me and that their views need to be understood and accommodated. Do you understand those who agree with me and accept that until we find a compromise that both sides can live with this dispute will never be solved? We found a compromise.
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Bud  10 Jan 20 10.21pm |
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lets all have a party, lets all have a party, remainers lost, remainers lost. Edited by Bud (10 Jan 2020 10.22pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Jan 20 10.21pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
We found a compromise. Compromise? You are having a laugh! Some hardline Brexiteers are still pushing for a no deal Brexit and if we don't get the deal negotiated (which looks impossible) then that's still what might happen. A soft Brexit would be a compromise. A confirmationary final vote on the negotiated deal would be a compromise. Just saying "you lost" isn't a compromise at all. It's triumphalism which is bound to harden attitudes.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Jan 20 10.27pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
"A sketchy view of politics" Face to face discussions are always different. I once had a fierce online battle with an American over gun controls. Then we happened to meet and after a while realised who our online personas were. We explained our life stories and why we held our views. He was an ex cop whose partner died in his arms after a shooting. He shot the assailant dead. We both ended up in tears and as best mates. Jane is a nice lady. You might also be a nice guy away from the keyboard.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 10 Jan 20 10.28pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The need for common sense and compromise has nothing at all to do with me or my own views. I would like Brexit consigned to the history books asap. I do though recognise that half the country disagrees with me and that their views need to be understood and accommodated. Do you understand those who agree with me and accept that until we find a compromise that both sides can live with this dispute will never be solved? The compromise was having a referendum which your side lost. Your kind made this happen and now you must live with it. Enough of your old guff.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Jan 20 10.54pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The compromise was having a referendum which your side lost. That was no compromise! It was a cave in by Cameron on behalf of a fearful Tory party. That is called democracy. No it is not. Referendums are not any part of the UK democratic system. The only legitimacy was given by Parliament. They gave it and they should have removed it again.
Parliament did what we pay them to do. They used their collective consciences to do what they believed was in our best interests. If Johnson had not tried to sideline Parliament then a Judicial review would not have been necessary. He did. It was. He lost. Then Corbyn handed Johnson the election on a plate. the people have been cheated by the combined efforts of two leaders both of whom are unfit to hold office. Your kind made this happen and now you must live with it. Totally untrue. People like me have been trying to avoid us making a huge mistake, whilst staying wholly within the democratic process. Enough of your old guff. You wish. Until Brexit is reversed, or I am no more, there will be plenty more from me. If I go, others will follow. Reason and common sense will always triumph in the end. It sometimes just takes longer than you might hope. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (10 Jan 2020 10.54pm)
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cpfc_chap  koh samui 10 Jan 20 11.24pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Compromise? You are having a laugh! Some hardline Brexiteers are still pushing for a no deal Brexit and if we don't get the deal negotiated (which looks impossible) then that's still what might happen. A soft Brexit would be a compromise. A confirmationary final vote on the negotiated deal would be a compromise. Just saying "you lost" isn't a compromise at all. It's triumphalism which is bound to harden attitudes. Soft and hard brexit is made up rubbish by the remainers. Brexit is leaving the EU if a deals reached fine if it's not it's no deal wto!! What do you class as a soft brexit?
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| cryrst The garden of England 11 Jan 20 6.36am |
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Originally posted by cpfc_chap
Soft and hard brexit is made up rubbish by the remainers. Brexit is leaving the EU if a deals reached fine if it's not it's no deal wto!! What do you class as a soft brexit? Remaining I guess
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| cryrst The garden of England 11 Jan 20 6.37am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Face to face discussions are always different. I once had a fierce online battle with an American over gun controls. Then we happened to meet and after a while realised who our online personas were. We explained our life stories and why we held our views. He was an ex cop whose partner died in his arms after a shooting. He shot the assailant dead. We both ended up in tears and as best mates. Jane is a nice lady. You might also be a nice guy away from the keyboard. Still a racist bigot though. Yeh!
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