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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Edited by Wisbech Eagle (10 Jan 2020 10.54pm) If the EU had listened to Cameron and helped with a few requests we wouldn't have had a referendum. Millions see Johnson as fit to be PM hence why he is. You dont know if it is a mistake, you are guessing it again. Common sense has triumphed by following through with a winners requests.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Edited by Wisbech Eagle (10 Jan 2020 10.54pm) Surely a South London football clubs forum isnt the ideal place to campaign for your views on Brexit? Why dont you try a political forum where your views may be appreciated?? I realise you post ad infinitum on here in order to be seen as 'superior' but jeez its boring.
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Originally posted by the silurian
Surely a South London football clubs forum isnt the ideal place to campaign for your views on Brexit? Why dont you try a political forum where your views may be appreciated?? I realise you post ad infinitum on here in order to be seen as 'superior' but jeez its boring. He's a philodox.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Please see my reply to cpfc_chap above. Add to that that only 72% of those eligible voted. That 18% could have made all the difference as there was, in my opinion, significantly more apathy in the remain camp than in the fully motivated leave one. It was a split vote then and it remains split today. Split right down the middle. You cannot manage a country which is so divided by supporting only one of those views. You need to search for common ground and compromise. The 18% were quite entitled to vote, however they chose not to....why? who knows? However until compulsory voting is bought in it will always be so. You cannot use the fact that the 18% MAY have made a difference, it DIDNT, you LOST....get over it and work towards making brexit a success!! You speak of compromise, yet you refuse to compromise your views, always its 'Im right, you lot are wrong' No compromise there??
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Originally posted by georgenorman
He's a philodox. he most certainly is!!
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
For reasons that even she would admit weren't really thought out in full! Edited by Wisbech Eagle (10 Jan 2020 10.28pm) Can't help yourself can you?
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Hardly surprising. Airbus have a huge investment here and so long as a tariff free deal remains on the table they won't be pulling the plug. Let's wait until the end of 2020 before making any kind of definitive judgement. My daughter works for a Space technology company recently acquired by Airbus, believe me, business is booming and they ain't going anywhere...sorry
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Face to face discussions are always different. I once had a fierce online battle with an American over gun controls. Then we happened to meet and after a while realised who our online personas were. We explained our life stories and why we held our views. He was an ex cop whose partner died in his arms after a shooting. He shot the assailant dead. We both ended up in tears and as best mates. Jane is a nice lady. You might also be a nice guy away from the keyboard. Wissie the keyboard warrior!!
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Originally posted by cpfc_chap
Soft and hard brexit is made up rubbish by the remainers. Brexit is leaving the EU if a deals reached fine if it's not it's no deal wto!! What do you class as a soft brexit? That kind of reasoning is exactly why we are in the mess we are in. It's naive in it's simplicity. It's like thinking you can walk away from a marriage and decide for yourself that the house, everything in it and the bank accounts are all yours. How we leave makes a huge difference to how we organise our future. Staying close to the EU by negotiating a mutually favourable new trading arrangement would produce the kind of compromise needed to satisfy everyone. We could end up with a kind of associate membership which retains those things that are good for us, whilst dropping the things that the Eurosceptics always felt uncomfortable about. Most of us accepted that reform is needed within the EU and that might be the way to achieve it. A hard Brexit, without a deal, sets us up as a competitor to the EU. They would deny us the use of their standards trademarks, withdraw cooperation on many things and generally become more aggressive in the way they treat us. For instance France would probably stop assisting us in trying to stop illegals and reverse their attitude by assisting them to come here, or at least rid themselves of the problem by not standing in their way. We would be alone, forced into the hands of Trump's USA who have no interest in helping us at all. They see us as an opportunity. What happens this year is much more important than what happens on Jan 31st.
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Originally posted by cryrst
If the EU had listened to Cameron and helped with a few requests we wouldn't have had a referendum. Millions see Johnson as fit to be PM hence why he is. You dont know if it is a mistake, you are guessing it again. Common sense has triumphed by following through with a winners requests. Oh that the EU now regret their miscalculation is undoubtedly true, just as Cameron regrets his. However, you don't punish a whole country because others made mistakes. You correct those mistakes. It's the jobs of the politicians to find ways to do so. Millions think that capital punishment is a good idea. Doesn't mean it is though does it? It is just me that thinks it is a mistake! It's the overwhelming opinion of all those with the experience and professional knowledge who are in a position to evaluate these things objectively and not emotionally. They aren't guessing. They are doing their jobs. Deciding our national future on the basis of emotion is not wise.
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Originally posted by the silurian
Surely a South London football clubs forum isnt the ideal place to campaign for your views on Brexit? Why dont you try a political forum where your views may be appreciated?? I realise you post ad infinitum on here in order to be seen as 'superior' but jeez its boring. It's far from ideal but the views here need to be countered wherever they surface. I do use political forums, both those which take the same kind of line as me, of which there are many, and particularly in the recent past on left wing forums which are trying to ensure that the Labour Party stays on the same track as Corbyn. I have though given that up as a lost cause. The Labour Party are a fast fading star who will never again be a force in the UK.
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Originally posted by georgenorman
He's a philodox. I am sure that's how it's received by many here. I see myself as determined, resilient and confident in my own approach. There is though at least one other poster to whom the term is even more apposite.
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Can't help yourself can you? I was in the pub last night and mentioned this exchange to her. We had a good laugh about it.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Oh that the EU now regret their miscalculation is undoubtedly true, just as Cameron regrets his. However, you don't punish a whole country because others made mistakes. You correct those mistakes. It's the jobs of the politicians to find ways to do so. Millions think that capital punishment is a good idea. Doesn't mean it is though does it? It is just me that thinks it is a mistake! It's the overwhelming opinion of all those with the experience and professional knowledge who are in a position to evaluate these things objectively and not emotionally. They aren't guessing. They are doing their jobs. Deciding our national future on the basis of emotion is not wise. And again "punish a whole country"
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I was in the pub last night and mentioned this exchange to her. We had a good laugh about it. Did you tell her you think all leavers are racist, apart from her.
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Wissie the keyboard warrior!! That's the way of the world these days isn't it? Not all the time though. I do try to attend and participate in good debates and, of course, have many other things to do. Like taking my wife shopping before the game this PM. Bye!
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Originally posted by cryrst
And again "punish a whole country" Not my view at all. It's that of everyone who really understands these things. Your pessimism is undoubtadly the worst of anyone on here or the planet. I am far from pessimistic. I fully expect us to reverse this stupidity. The only question is how and when. The ability to compromise is what makes a good leader. Once again you are being blindly optimistic in the face of contradictory evidence. Of course Johnson could have an epiphany and decide to cancel the whole thing. So I admit I could be wrong. I am not holding my breath though. Then wissie you can eat a large slice of that lovely pie ! If things progress as I anticipate they will I rather suspect that in a few years time the pie will all be on your plates. Time alone will prove that.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You wish. Until Brexit is reversed, or I am no more, there will be plenty more from me. If I go, others will follow. Reason and common sense will always triumph in the end. It sometimes just takes longer than you might hope. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (10 Jan 2020 10.54pm) And you will become a distant drone that no one will even notice after a while until you fade out. I will be happy in the knowledge that we have halted the march of European federalism and power for at least the time being.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I was in the pub last night and mentioned this exchange to her. We had a good laugh about it. Which pub - 'The Famous Cock'?
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You wish. Until Brexit is reversed, or I am no more, there will be plenty more from me. If I go, others will follow. Reason and common sense will always triumph in the end. It sometimes just takes longer than you might hope. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (10 Jan 2020 10.54pm) But Brexit cannot be reversed. That is the point of what is happening now. We leave on the 31st. There is no return to the status quo. Now you can campaign for us to Rejoin but nothing will ever be the same again. And any future membership of the EU will be different to what we had before. Might sound like semantics but the reality is that your side lost. And not only lost but handed Johnson a monster majority. Until you accept that I fear there is no closure. There is no 'Remain' anymore. Thats done. Over. Bore us all senseless with the case for rejoining and that is a perfectly acceptable stance to take. You never know, you might even make some converts, especially if everything goes as tits up as you believe it will. Hell, I might even change my mind. But Brexit is happening. Will become cemented in the history books for good or bad. It cannot be stopped now.
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