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Badger11 Beckenham 11 Jan 20 12.27pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Oh that the EU now regret their miscalculation is undoubtedly true, just as Cameron regrets his. However, you don't punish a whole country because others made mistakes. You correct those mistakes. It's the jobs of the politicians to find ways to do so. Millions think that capital punishment is a good idea. Doesn't mean it is though does it? It is just me that thinks it is a mistake! It's the overwhelming opinion of all those with the experience and professional knowledge who are in a position to evaluate these things objectively and not emotionally. They aren't guessing. They are doing their jobs. Deciding our national future on the basis of emotion is not wise. Fine then let the EU make us an offer we can't refuse you never know if it's good enough I might even change my mind. The ball is firmly in their court now if they don't want us to leave they have to do something about it. I won't hold my breath though. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 11 Jan 20 12.27pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Oh that the EU now regret their miscalculation is undoubtedly true, just as Cameron regrets his.

However, you don't punish a whole country because others made mistakes. You correct those mistakes. It's the jobs of the politicians to find ways to do so.

Millions think that capital punishment is a good idea. Doesn't mean it is though does it?

It is just me that thinks it is a mistake! It's the overwhelming opinion of all those with the experience and professional knowledge who are in a position to evaluate these things objectively and not emotionally. They aren't guessing. They are doing their jobs.

Deciding our national future on the basis of emotion is not wise.

Fine then let the EU make us an offer we can't refuse you never know if it's good enough I might even change my mind. The ball is firmly in their court now if they don't want us to leave they have to do something about it. I won't hold my breath though.

One more point

Stirlingsays 11 Jan 20 1.03pm
The miscalculation with Cameron was mainly down to Merkel with Macron being a minor influence, just as are several bad decisions within the EU....it's quite amazing that (s)he still gets a good press from many on the pro EU side....though perhaps that's partly down to ignorance on the detail. The idea of the EU as an alternative state was a dangerous if inevitable consequence of the 'mission creep' reality of organizations......Get any group of self satisfied control freaks (politicians and other assorted suspects) together and, if they get the option, they will always vote to increase their budget and power. Now the EU is both a faux state and a gravy train. It has a supporter based who are ideologically committed to it in a way that would be viewed as treasonous in many other countries and here just a generation ago. The EU itself is beyond caring about legitimacy and it will politic and manipulate and use any tactic that it deems beneficial to its own position. It is beyond serious reform....that's been demonstrated quite clearly over decades now and it's essentially fatally flawed as the commission are just too powerful. Like all overly big companies a state like the UK can be more agile and undercut them in various ways if they regard the future as an exercise in punishing us. As the site has demonstrated we have plenty of posters who would rather the UK did poorly under Brexit than did well out of a misplaced loyalty to this foreign entity. Their attitude to state being solely how well it facilitates their bank accounts and foreign travel. They have sold their loyalty to unelected bureaucrats and corporations.....and it's in stark contrast to the previous generations whose genes they carry. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jan 2020 1.06pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

11 Jan 20 1.03pm

The miscalculation with Cameron was mainly down to Merkel with Macron being a minor influence, just as are several bad decisions within the EU....it's quite amazing that (s)he still gets a good press from many on the pro EU side....though perhaps that's partly down to ignorance on the detail.

The idea of the EU as an alternative state was a dangerous if inevitable consequence of the 'mission creep' reality of organizations......Get any group of self satisfied control freaks (politicians and other assorted suspects) together and, if they get the option, they will always vote to increase their budget and power.

Now the EU is both a faux state and a gravy train. It has a supporter based who are ideologically committed to it in a way that would be viewed as treasonous in many other countries and here just a generation ago.

The EU itself is beyond caring about legitimacy and it will politic and manipulate and use any tactic that it deems beneficial to its own position.

It is beyond serious reform....that's been demonstrated quite clearly over decades now and it's essentially fatally flawed as the commission are just too powerful.

Like all overly big companies a state like the UK can be more agile and undercut them in various ways if they regard the future as an exercise in punishing us.

As the site has demonstrated we have plenty of posters who would rather the UK did poorly under Brexit than did well out of a misplaced loyalty to this foreign entity. Their attitude to state being solely how well it facilitates their bank accounts and foreign travel.

They have sold their loyalty to unelected bureaucrats and corporations.....and it's in stark contrast to the previous generations whose genes they carry.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jan 2020 1.06pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 11 Jan 20 1.12pm
Originally posted by Matov But Brexit cannot be reversed. That is the point of what is happening now. We leave on the 31st. There is no return to the status quo. Now you can campaign for us to Rejoin but nothing will ever be the same again. And any future membership of the EU will be different to what we had before. Might sound like semantics but the reality is that your side lost. And not only lost but handed Johnson a monster majority. Until you accept that I fear there is no closure. There is no 'Remain' anymore. Thats done. Over. Bore us all senseless with the case for rejoining and that is a perfectly acceptable stance to take. You never know, you might even make some converts, especially if everything goes as tits up as you believe it will. Hell, I might even change my mind. But Brexit is happening. Will become cemented in the history books for good or bad. It cannot be stopped now. Indeed, being a remainer now is akin to still being a Cavalier after King Charles I's head rolled off the block. But hey, I suppose some people require time to adjust. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

11 Jan 20 1.12pm

Originally posted by Matov

But Brexit cannot be reversed. That is the point of what is happening now. We leave on the 31st. There is no return to the status quo.

Now you can campaign for us to Rejoin but nothing will ever be the same again. And any future membership of the EU will be different to what we had before. Might sound like semantics but the reality is that your side lost. And not only lost but handed Johnson a monster majority.

Until you accept that I fear there is no closure. There is no 'Remain' anymore. Thats done. Over.

Bore us all senseless with the case for rejoining and that is a perfectly acceptable stance to take. You never know, you might even make some converts, especially if everything goes as tits up as you believe it will. Hell, I might even change my mind.

But Brexit is happening. Will become cemented in the history books for good or bad. It cannot be stopped now.

Indeed, being a remainer now is akin to still being a Cavalier after King Charles I's head rolled off the block.

But hey, I suppose some people require time to adjust.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

cpfc_chap koh samui 11 Jan 20 2.48pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That kind of reasoning is exactly why we are in the mess we are in. It's naive in it's simplicity. It's like thinking you can walk away from a marriage and decide for yourself that the house, everything in it and the bank accounts are all yours. How we leave makes a huge difference to how we organise our future. Staying close to the EU by negotiating a mutually favourable new trading arrangement would produce the kind of compromise needed to satisfy everyone. We could end up with a kind of associate membership which retains those things that are good for us, whilst dropping the things that the Eurosceptics always felt uncomfortable about. Most of us accepted that reform is needed within the EU and that might be the way to achieve it. A hard Brexit, without a deal, sets us up as a competitor to the EU. They would deny us the use of their standards trademarks, withdraw cooperation on many things and generally become more aggressive in the way they treat us. For instance France would probably stop assisting us in trying to stop illegals and reverse their attitude by assisting them to come here, or at least rid themselves of the problem by not standing in their way. We would be alone, forced into the hands of Trump's USA who have no interest in helping us at all. They see us as an opportunity. What happens this year is much more important than what happens on Jan 31st. Not really as we are leaving the assets to the eu..buildings etc..Or are you saying we should have a cut of the EU assets? You think we'll be alone? but the world doesn't just consist of the EU. Try looking beyond the 3rd Reich who have been pilfering of us for god knows how many years

cpfc_chap

koh samui 11 Jan 20 2.48pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That kind of reasoning is exactly why we are in the mess we are in. It's naive in it's simplicity. It's like thinking you can walk away from a marriage and decide for yourself that the house, everything in it and the bank accounts are all yours.

How we leave makes a huge difference to how we organise our future. Staying close to the EU by negotiating a mutually favourable new trading arrangement would produce the kind of compromise needed to satisfy everyone. We could end up with a kind of associate membership which retains those things that are good for us, whilst dropping the things that the Eurosceptics always felt uncomfortable about. Most of us accepted that reform is needed within the EU and that might be the way to achieve it.

A hard Brexit, without a deal, sets us up as a competitor to the EU. They would deny us the use of their standards trademarks, withdraw cooperation on many things and generally become more aggressive in the way they treat us. For instance France would probably stop assisting us in trying to stop illegals and reverse their attitude by assisting them to come here, or at least rid themselves of the problem by not standing in their way. We would be alone, forced into the hands of Trump's USA who have no interest in helping us at all. They see us as an opportunity.

What happens this year is much more important than what happens on Jan 31st.

Not really as we are leaving the assets to the eu..buildings etc..Or are you saying we should have a cut of the EU assets?

You think we'll be alone? but the world doesn't just consist of the EU. Try looking beyond the 3rd Reich who have been pilfering of us for god knows how many years

cpfc_chap koh samui 11 Jan 20 2.53pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It's far from ideal but the views here need to be countered wherever they surface. I do use political forums, both those which take the same kind of line as me, of which there are many, and particularly in the recent past on left wing forums which are trying to ensure that the Labour Party stays on the same track as Corbyn. I have though given that up as a lost cause. The Labour Party are a fast fading star who will never again be a force in the UK. You should be on Sunderland forum or an area that wanted to leave! London wanted to stay hence Labour and lib done well! South London doesn't need you to change our minds as it'll make no difference. Wolves, boro, Newcastle would be better forums as they are leave areas.

cpfc_chap

koh samui 11 Jan 20 2.53pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's far from ideal but the views here need to be countered wherever they surface. I do use political forums, both those which take the same kind of line as me, of which there are many, and particularly in the recent past on left wing forums which are trying to ensure that the Labour Party stays on the same track as Corbyn. I have though given that up as a lost cause. The Labour Party are a fast fading star who will never again be a force in the UK.

You should be on Sunderland forum or an area that wanted to leave! London wanted to stay hence Labour and lib done well! South London doesn't need you to change our minds as it'll make no difference. Wolves, boro, Newcastle would be better forums as they are leave areas.

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 11 Jan 20 3.06pm
Only 20 days by the way !! Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 11 Jan 20 3.06pm

Only 20 days by the way !!

Pro USA & Israel

Spiderman Horsham 11 Jan 20 5.26pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I was in the pub last night and mentioned this exchange to her. We had a good laugh about it. She obviously still needs your custom! Pro leave posters on here have been branded stupid and racist, don’t deny it

Spiderman

Horsham 11 Jan 20 5.26pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I was in the pub last night and mentioned this exchange to her. We had a good laugh about it.

She obviously still needs your custom! Pro leave posters on here have been branded stupid and racist, don’t deny it

Spiderman Horsham 11 Jan 20 5.30pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Fine then let the EU make us an offer we can't refuse you never know if it's good enough I might even change my mind. The ball is firmly in their court now if they don't want us to leave they have to do something about it. I won't hold my breath though. Precisely. If they regret being totally obnoxious and arrogant , tough s*** their chickens are coming home to roost.... and I am loving it

Spiderman

Horsham 11 Jan 20 5.30pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Precisely. If they regret being totally obnoxious and arrogant , tough s*** their chickens are coming home to roost.... and I am loving it

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Jan 20 5.54pm
Originally posted by Matov But Brexit cannot be reversed. That is the point of what is happening now. We leave on the 31st. There is no return to the status quo. Now you can campaign for us to Rejoin but nothing will ever be the same again. And any future membership of the EU will be different to what we had before. Might sound like semantics but the reality is that your side lost. And not only lost but handed Johnson a monster majority. Until you accept that I fear there is no closure. There is no 'Remain' anymore. Thats done. Over. Bore us all senseless with the case for rejoining and that is a perfectly acceptable stance to take. You never know, you might even make some converts, especially if everything goes as tits up as you believe it will. Hell, I might even change my mind. But Brexit is happening. Will become cemented in the history books for good or bad. It cannot be stopped now. "Reversing" Brexit obviously means rejoining and when we do you are actually right, the terms won't be the same. I don't suppose the EU would object if we had a sudden change of heart and requested we forget the whole thing, but I don't think that the Tories could lose that much face even if they know it makes sense. I am not now arguing as a "remainer". Nor, so far as I can tell, is anyone else. People are going through a period of reflection and regrouping so as to be ready for the next phases. The first of which is to hold Johnson's feet to the flames and make sure that we actually get the tariff free deal with the EU he promised. As having that, and new trade deals with others, is incompatible, something has to give. One or the other is a lie. We will see which and then which side of the argument gets upset. The next phase is to prepare an effective opposition which argues not just for a reversal of Brexit but an overhaul of our outdated electoral system which leaves so many unrepresented and enables a government to assume office which is backed only by a minority of voters. The opposition parties need to coalesce around a core belief to be effective. I see ways forward to achieve that and fortunately with the Tories now having such a clear majority the time exists to get it properly structured before the next election. It could get very interesting in just over 4 years from now. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 11 Jan 20 5.54pm

Originally posted by Matov

But Brexit cannot be reversed. That is the point of what is happening now. We leave on the 31st. There is no return to the status quo.

Until you accept that I fear there is no closure. There is no 'Remain' anymore. Thats done. Over.

But Brexit is happening. Will become cemented in the history books for good or bad. It cannot be stopped now.

"Reversing" Brexit obviously means rejoining and when we do you are actually right, the terms won't be the same. I don't suppose the EU would object if we had a sudden change of heart and requested we forget the whole thing, but I don't think that the Tories could lose that much face even if they know it makes sense.

I am not now arguing as a "remainer". Nor, so far as I can tell, is anyone else. People are going through a period of reflection and regrouping so as to be ready for the next phases. The first of which is to hold Johnson's feet to the flames and make sure that we actually get the tariff free deal with the EU he promised. As having that, and new trade deals with others, is incompatible, something has to give. One or the other is a lie. We will see which and then which side of the argument gets upset.

The next phase is to prepare an effective opposition which argues not just for a reversal of Brexit but an overhaul of our outdated electoral system which leaves so many unrepresented and enables a government to assume office which is backed only by a minority of voters.

The opposition parties need to coalesce around a core belief to be effective. I see ways forward to achieve that and fortunately with the Tories now having such a clear majority the time exists to get it properly structured before the next election.

It could get very interesting in just over 4 years from now.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Jan 20 6.01pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Fine then let the EU make us an offer we can't refuse you never know if it's good enough I might even change my mind. The ball is firmly in their court now if they don't want us to leave they have to do something about it. I won't hold my breath though. Too late for that I fear. The Tories would not accept the political cost of accepting and the EU could not afford the stimulus it would offer to anti EU factions in other countries. We need to negotiate a close trading arrangement and then see what happens. My guess is that if we end up being bound by the rules, but without a seat at the table which negotiates them, that people will start to question whether coming out actually achieved anything. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 11 Jan 20 6.01pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Too late for that I fear.

The Tories would not accept the political cost of accepting and the EU could not afford the stimulus it would offer to anti EU factions in other countries.

We need to negotiate a close trading arrangement and then see what happens.

My guess is that if we end up being bound by the rules, but without a seat at the table which negotiates them, that people will start to question whether coming out actually achieved anything.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Jan 20 6.10pm
Originally posted by cpfc_chap Not really as we are leaving the assets to the eu..buildings etc..Or are you saying we should have a cut of the EU assets? You think we'll be alone? but the world doesn't just consist of the EU. Try looking beyond the 3rd Reich who have been pilfering of us for god knows how many years The hard assets in this case are a drop in the ocean and irrelevant. We will be alone, searching for friends. It's a highly competitive world out there. Many of the labour markets are much cheaper than ours, with lower protections. They are all trying to sell us things and manufacturers are all looking for cheap places to make things and pay less tax. There is a big danger that we will get involved in a race to the bottom and who is going to suffer most from that? It will be the average working man and woman! Not the hedge fund managers or newspaper proprietors. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 11 Jan 20 6.10pm

Originally posted by cpfc_chap

Not really as we are leaving the assets to the eu..buildings etc..Or are you saying we should have a cut of the EU assets?

You think we'll be alone? but the world doesn't just consist of the EU. Try looking beyond the 3rd Reich who have been pilfering of us for god knows how many years

The hard assets in this case are a drop in the ocean and irrelevant.

We will be alone, searching for friends. It's a highly competitive world out there. Many of the labour markets are much cheaper than ours, with lower protections. They are all trying to sell us things and manufacturers are all looking for cheap places to make things and pay less tax.

There is a big danger that we will get involved in a race to the bottom and who is going to suffer most from that? It will be the average working man and woman! Not the hedge fund managers or newspaper proprietors.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Stirlingsays 11 Jan 20 6.12pm
It's quite amusing that this guy talks about 'healing' when every single one of his proposals are just more of the same or just completely unrealistic. What it sounds like to me is that the ones who need the 'healing' are the losers who can't except that they have just been ripped a new one. What makes you laugh is that he still appears to only recognise the fiscal aspect. He can't get it into his head that the reasons people voted Brexit aren't fiscal and that they matter quite a lot to people. He wants them to shut up and enjoy their s*e sandwich while he lives his good life without any of the s*e they don't want. Well, lots of people have had to suck it up for decades....and he's going to have to suck this up....because I've give him the head's up. Nothing he does on this will make the slightest bit of difference. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jan 2020 7.10pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

11 Jan 20 6.12pm

It's quite amusing that this guy talks about 'healing' when every single one of his proposals are just more of the same or just completely unrealistic.

What it sounds like to me is that the ones who need the 'healing' are the losers who can't except that they have just been ripped a new one.

What makes you laugh is that he still appears to only recognise the fiscal aspect. He can't get it into his head that the reasons people voted Brexit aren't fiscal and that they matter quite a lot to people.

He wants them to shut up and enjoy their s***e sandwich while he lives his good life without any of the s***e they don't want.

Well, lots of people have had to suck it up for decades....and he's going to have to suck this up....because I've give him the head's up. Nothing he does on this will make the slightest bit of difference.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jan 2020 7.10pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Jan 20 6.14pm
Originally posted by cpfc_chap You should be on Sunderland forum or an area that wanted to leave! London wanted to stay hence Labour and lib done well! South London doesn't need you to change our minds as it'll make no difference. Wolves, boro, Newcastle would be better forums as they are leave areas. Superficially that makes sense but as the way we decided Brexit was via a national referendum every vote everywhere counted the same. If we allow MPs to take the decisions then that's a good suggestion. If it happens I will remember it! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 11 Jan 20 6.14pm

Originally posted by cpfc_chap

Superficially that makes sense but as the way we decided Brexit was via a national referendum every vote everywhere counted the same. If we allow MPs to take the decisions then that's a good suggestion. If it happens I will remember it!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Jan 20 6.18pm
Originally posted by Spiderman She obviously still needs your custom! Pro leave posters on here have been branded stupid and racist, don’t deny it Not all leave voters were stupid and racist. Jane isn't. However, stupid, racist people tended to be in favour of us leaving. Don't deny that. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 11 Jan 20 6.18pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

She obviously still needs your custom! Pro leave posters on here have been branded stupid and racist, don’t deny it

Not all leave voters were stupid and racist. Jane isn't.

However, stupid, racist people tended to be in favour of us leaving.

Don't deny that.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 11 Jan 20 6.24pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Not all leave voters were stupid and racist. Jane isn't. However, stupid, racist people tended to be in favour of us leaving. Don't deny that. you just cant stop can you??? Oh you massively superior being!!!

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 11 Jan 20 6.24pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not all leave voters were stupid and racist. Jane isn't.

However, stupid, racist people tended to be in favour of us leaving.

Don't deny that.

you just cant stop can you??? Oh you massively superior being!!!

Badger11 Beckenham 11 Jan 20 6.55pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Not all leave voters were stupid and racist. Jane isn't. However, stupid, racist people tended to be in favour of us leaving. Don't deny that. Wow I wasn't aware that data on intelligence and personal bias was available from the referendum, was this part of the voting process? You can't come on here as the voice of reason and make generalised comments like that and then expect people to respect your opinion. We never know why people vote a certain way all we can do is speculate. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 11 Jan 20 6.55pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not all leave voters were stupid and racist. Jane isn't.

However, stupid, racist people tended to be in favour of us leaving.

Don't deny that.

Wow I wasn't aware that data on intelligence and personal bias was available from the referendum, was this part of the voting process?

You can't come on here as the voice of reason and make generalised comments like that and then expect people to respect your opinion.

We never know why people vote a certain way all we can do is speculate.

One more point

Stirlingsays 11 Jan 20 7.03pm
I don't get how voting for Brexit was racist. Europeans voting on a European only issue. But, well...You know that type of activist....that's their playbook. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

11 Jan 20 7.03pm

I don't get how voting for Brexit was racist.

Europeans voting on a European only issue.

But, well...You know that type of activist....that's their playbook.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Badger11 Beckenham 11 Jan 20 7.13pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I don't get how voting for Brexit was racist. Europeans voting on a European only issue. But, well...You know that type of activist....that's their playbook. I'd like to respond to that but I'm too stupid to understand what you said. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 11 Jan 20 7.13pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't get how voting for Brexit was racist.

Europeans voting on a European only issue.

But, well...You know that type of activist....that's their playbook.

I'd like to respond to that but I'm too stupid to understand what you said.

One more point

Teddy Eagle 11 Jan 20 7.20pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I don't get how voting for Brexit was racist. Europeans voting on a European only issue. But, well...You know that type of activist....that's their playbook. Those racists have been quite busy recently not only voting for Brexit but also hounding poor Ms Markle out of the country and mixing up Diane Abbot’s shoes.

Teddy Eagle

11 Jan 20 7.20pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't get how voting for Brexit was racist.

Europeans voting on a European only issue.

But, well...You know that type of activist....that's their playbook.

Those racists have been quite busy recently not only voting for Brexit but also hounding poor Ms Markle out of the country and mixing up Diane Abbot’s shoes.

Stirlingsays 11 Jan 20 7.46pm
Originally posted by Badger11 I'd like to respond to that but I'm too stupid to understand what you said. I didn't understand it and I wrote it....must be because I voted for Brexit. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

11 Jan 20 7.46pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I'd like to respond to that but I'm too stupid to understand what you said.

I didn't understand it and I wrote it....must be because I voted for Brexit.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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