They are wearing those intersectional glasses again.

The ones where they only see what they want to see.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jan 2020 7.51pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

You really are a bore...don't deny it

We are leaving the EU...don't deny it.

There are stupid, anti-semetic people in the remain camp....don't deny it

My usual adversary here often a posts a load of guff but his recent post isn't just wrong. No-one has "been ripped a new one" over Brexit. Such language is really quite offensive to people who care deeply about the future of our country. It is the language of division which might make some people feel macho but will actually achieve nothing positive at all.

I can only speak for myself but I know many others who hold similar, if not identical, views over the EU to my own. My reasons for wanting to stay in go far beyond simple economics, important though they are. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the life I have, which is very unlikely to change in the time I have left anyway.

We are geographically part of Europe and that cannot change. My parents fought in a war to bring peace and harmony to our part of the world and I know my Dad approved of us getting closer to the other countries in Europe to avoid it ever happening again. Security matters to me every bit as much as the economy. What I want for our country is a good secure future for my children and grandchildren. Not for me. I want them to live in a progressive, modern, outward looking country where everyone enjoys the same opportunities.

I don't doubt for a moment that some voted leave for other than fiscal reasons. Indeed many, if not most, did so. That though doesn't mean those reasons were valid. Indeed many, in my opinion, were not but were relentlessly promulgated by the leave campaign as propaganda. Especially on immigration.

Just because that those who are strongly Euro sceptic have had their arguments refuted for decades is no reason at all to act triumphalist now.

I have a heads up too. This type of attitude will come back to bite in the rear end. It's not a question of if, but only of when. I don't expect I will make much difference at all. On my own and in the short term that is. Together with others and in time I expect to. Keeping the issue alive and letting people know there is an alternative is but a small contribution.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

The guy who spoke of racists and stupid people voting for Brexit accuses me of speaking the 'language of division'.

Honestly, I don't think he cares about contradicting himself. He's got that pin to dance on and whenever you show his logic up as weak he just resorts to bare face denial, word games/salad.....it's not straight, it comes across as a bit pathologically dishonest.

He talks such deluded BS that I find I sometimes can't help myself responding to him. I must try harder because I think it's deliberate.....I think we might be feeding the dysfunction of a contrarian looking for attention.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jan 2020 10.14pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I accept it is an assumption but hardly a very controversial one is it?

What percentage of stupid and racist people do you think voted remain? Makes no sense that they would.

Brexit wasn't a racist decision per se but my observations were that those people who hold views I regard as racist also tended to be in favour of leaving. Presumably because of their views on immigration and immigrants. Perhaps I should make it clear that I am talking only of the ethnically British. People from immigrant cultures may well hold "anti-white" views, and voted to remain, but as they constitute such a small percentage of us I don't regard them as statistically relevant.

Of course if you don't think racist people exist. or if they do then they aren't stupid, you aren't going to acknowledge this at all. You are going to add further insults and denials and ignore all the reasoning given to explain why the remainers are not just concerned with fiscal matters.

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Edited by Wisbech Eagle (11 Jan 2020 10.56pm)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

According to the 2011 census the population of London was 44.9% British is that “statistically relevant”?

In Britain of people who self-identify as ‘white’ and British (English, Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish) account for about 81.9% of the population for the United Kingdom.....As stated that was in 2017 and it's going to be lower for England as most immigrants have settled there.

This is statistically relevant.

His point about 'racism' is shown up for the weak myopic logic it came from.

As for the point about fiscals, I didn't say that all remainers were only concerned with fiscal matters. I made the point that, up to then, that had seemed WE's main concern. He clarified with some of his non fiscal hopes for our future direction. Let's address some of it.

He says he wants a secure country. Yet he has supported mass immigration into this country which has made it less secure and a lower trust society....It's increased the national crime rate and has also added another form of religious terrorism from a significant and growing demographic.

He says he wants a 'progressive' country....Let's remember that this is from a man who came on here claiming to be a 'one nation conservative'....Yet in all his commentary I've yet to come across anything he wants to 'conserve' other than his personal fiscals.

He says he wants a 'modern' country. Well, that's a very subjective term and so we move on.

Finally he says he wants an 'outward looking country'....Well, that's a code term for 'internationalist' or 'globalist'.....All while apparently everyone is getting the same opportunities.....while supporting mass immigration.

Well Japan has proven that you can be both a hyper modern country and outward looking on international trade and not open yourself up to mass immigration.

I contend that the social liberalism he supports and which has been implemented by both Tory and Labour has weakened families, lessened social cohesion and promoted degeneracy leaving us with an overall downgraded society.

The main improvements for society have mainly come via technological improvement.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jan 2020 12.24am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

13% of the UK population live in London. Isn’t that as significant as your figure of the number who didn’t vote?

but you obviously think you are!!

Well said.