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Teddy Eagle Flag 12 Jan 20 12.12pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It was actually 28% who didn't vote, as someone kindly pointed out.

Of course it's significant but it must not be considered in isolation. Whether London voted to remain is an irrelevancy in any national vote.

Which is why the SNP argument for another independence referendum based on the local results of the Brexit one is nonsense. Why this isn't being slapped down more aggressively beats me.

So what? There is no evidence that had those 28% voted the result would have been any different.

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 12 Jan 20 1.06pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


So what? There is no evidence that had those 28% voted the result would have been any different.

Who needs evidence when you can just make it up as you go along

 

Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 12 Jan 20 1.46pm

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I don't recall seeing this on ITV,BBC or Sky.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 12 Jan 20 3.14pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

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I don't recall seeing this on ITV,BBC or Sky.

Yep to paste some of the relevant detail.

'New figures released by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show in the twelve months to September 2019 that UK exports to outside the EU grew nearly five times as fast as exports to countries inside the bloc.

UK exports to the EU grew by 1.3% and now total £296.8bn, while exports to non-EU countries saw growth of 6.3% to reach £376.7bn.

Over the 12-month period, non-EU markets remained the top destination for the UK’s renowned service sector. 60.2% of UK services exports, including financial, travel and transport, go to non-EU markets and are now worth £190.8bn.'

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 12 Jan 20 3.38pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

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I don't recall seeing this on ITV,BBC or Sky.

Yes...but...what about the bigger picture? The world is all very well but what about Inter-galactic trade deals? Inter stellar commerce? Dealing with the multi-verse? It’s this Little Earth mentality that has to change.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 12 Jan 20 4.18pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep to paste some of the relevant detail.

'New figures released by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show in the twelve months to September 2019 that UK exports to outside the EU grew nearly five times as fast as exports to countries inside the bloc.

UK exports to the EU grew by 1.3% and now total £296.8bn, while exports to non-EU countries saw growth of 6.3% to reach £376.7bn.

Over the 12-month period, non-EU markets remained the top destination for the UK’s renowned service sector. 60.2% of UK services exports, including financial, travel and transport, go to non-EU markets and are now worth £190.8bn.'

The much vaunted EU free market does not include many areas of the service sector which is our strength. I have heard business leaders complain it is easier to do business in Asia than in Europe. If the EU had been prepared to open up this sector I think Remainers would have had a powerful economic argument.

The EU favours the areas of the economy that suit France and Germany but not us.

Edited by Badger11 (12 Jan 2020 4.19pm)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Jan 20 6.22pm

Originally posted by chris123

And what of post Maastricht, anti federalists - is that racist, or stupid, or both?

I don't get the point you are trying to make but those who believe that the Maastricht treaty was federalist in scope aren't either stupid of racist. They are just wrong.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Jan 20 6.28pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

So what? There is no evidence that had those 28% voted the result would have been any different.

I didn't say it was, but the 28% who didn't vote isn't the subject here. It is treating any region is isolation which is under review.

In a previous comment I mused that I thought it likely that the 28% of non voters would likely contain more of those who preferred to remain than leave. My reasoning was that the leave campaign was better organised, that those pushing for change are always more motivated than those arguing for the status quo and the complacency that some might have felt given all the pre poll predictions.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 12 Jan 20 6.34pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I didn't say it was, but the 28% who didn't vote isn't the subject here. It is treating any region is isolation which is under review.

In a previous comment I mused that I thought it likely that the 28% of non voters would likely contain more of those who preferred to remain than leave. My reasoning was that the leave campaign was better organised, that those pushing for change are always more motivated than those arguing for the status quo and the complacency that some might have felt given all the pre poll predictions.

You keep thinking this, what a marvellous place Wissie world is.... everyone thinks the same as him

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Jan 20 6.41pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

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I don't recall seeing this on ITV,BBC or Sky.

Perhaps because it's only part of the picture?

Good news is always welcome but it needs to be seen in context and over a long period so the real trends can be determined. We all know that a variety of factors can influence short term results.

This was published a few hours ago:-

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the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 12 Jan 20 6.45pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Perhaps because it's only part of the picture?

Good news is always welcome but it needs to be seen in context and over a long period so the real trends can be determined. We all know that a variety of factors can influence short term results.

This was published a few hours ago:-

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jeez, I bet you're fun at parties!!

 

Stirlingsays Flag 12 Jan 20 7.57pm

'Good news is always welcome but it needs to be seen in context and over a long period'

This news is performance measured over a year.

The Brexit vote was in 2016. As with predictions with Trump the predicted economic disasters have not occurred.....Indeed the opposite.

There are no doubt forces that wish for the UK economy to fail and indeed like this guy continually predicting it.

However, their success rate as predictors certainly wouldn't win them any prizes at a winner's awards ceremony.

Remainers are the past.....There are plenty who see the UK's opportunity here.....and as we see with exports this is being grabbed.....Plus we will expand much further with the US and other trusted markets.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jan 2020 7.59pm)

 


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chris123 Flag hove actually 12 Jan 20 7.59pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't get the point you are trying to make but those who believe that the Maastricht treaty was federalist in scope aren't either stupid of racist. They are just wrong.

It created the three pillars.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Jan 20 8.19pm

Originally posted by chris123

It created the three pillars.

Which have nothing to do with any kind of legal framework involving federalism.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Jan 20 8.23pm

Originally posted by the silurian

jeez, I bet you're fun at parties!!

Not a subject at any party I attend. There is a time and place for everything. You probably wouldn't recognise me at a party from my persona here. I tend to tell jokes rather than hold serious conversations.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 12 Jan 20 8.23pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I didn't say it was, but the 28% who didn't vote isn't the subject here. It is treating any region is isolation which is under review.

In a previous comment I mused that I thought it likely that the 28% of non voters would likely contain more of those who preferred to remain than leave. My reasoning was that the leave campaign was better organised, that those pushing for change are always more motivated than those arguing for the status quo and the complacency that some might have felt given all the pre poll predictions.

That’s just guesswork though. Just as likely they were leavers who didn’t think there was any chance of winning.
No one knows but remember millions of people in Britain care more about the X Factor than they do about anything political so weren’t going to vote anyway.


 

chris123 Flag hove actually 12 Jan 20 8.25pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Which have nothing to do with any kind of legal framework involving federalism.

It was the start.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Jan 20 8.42pm

Picking one statistic out of many is misleading at best and possibly disingenuous. Of course any improvement in one set of export statistics is very welcome but it doesn't, unfortunately,mean that the UK economy is healthy.

The balance of trade figures are a much better indication.

Those who claim to see a rosy future just over the hill as a consequence of a single export statistic are being wildly optimistic. Much more time and solid evidence is needed. As it flies in the face of every other report and forecast I have heard about I am reserving judgement whilst anticipating a downturn as most seem to expect. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best but expect nothing, will serve us well at this time.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Jan 20 8.44pm

Originally posted by chris123

It was the start.

Never for us and only for others if they want it. EU states cannot be compelled to do anything they don't want.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 12 Jan 20 8.49pm

'You probably wouldn't recognise me at a party from my persona here. I tend to tell jokes rather than hold serious conversations.'

WE is being far too harsh on himself. Rather I take the view that pretty much all he's said on this site so far has in fact been jokes.

Just not very funny ones.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jan 2020 8.50pm)

 


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