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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It was actually 28% who didn't vote, as someone kindly pointed out. Of course it's significant but it must not be considered in isolation. Whether London voted to remain is an irrelevancy in any national vote. Which is why the SNP argument for another independence referendum based on the local results of the Brexit one is nonsense. Why this isn't being slapped down more aggressively beats me. So what? There is no evidence that had those 28% voted the result would have been any different.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Who needs evidence when you can just make it up as you go along
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I don't recall seeing this on ITV,BBC or Sky.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yep to paste some of the relevant detail. 'New figures released by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show in the twelve months to September 2019 that UK exports to outside the EU grew nearly five times as fast as exports to countries inside the bloc. UK exports to the EU grew by 1.3% and now total £296.8bn, while exports to non-EU countries saw growth of 6.3% to reach £376.7bn. Over the 12-month period, non-EU markets remained the top destination for the UK’s renowned service sector. 60.2% of UK services exports, including financial, travel and transport, go to non-EU markets and are now worth £190.8bn.' The much vaunted EU free market does not include many areas of the service sector which is our strength. I have heard business leaders complain it is easier to do business in Asia than in Europe. If the EU had been prepared to open up this sector I think Remainers would have had a powerful economic argument. The EU favours the areas of the economy that suit France and Germany but not us. Edited by Badger11 (12 Jan 2020 4.19pm)
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Originally posted by chris123
And what of post Maastricht, anti federalists - is that racist, or stupid, or both? I don't get the point you are trying to make but those who believe that the Maastricht treaty was federalist in scope aren't either stupid of racist. They are just wrong.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
So what? There is no evidence that had those 28% voted the result would have been any different. I didn't say it was, but the 28% who didn't vote isn't the subject here. It is treating any region is isolation which is under review. In a previous comment I mused that I thought it likely that the 28% of non voters would likely contain more of those who preferred to remain than leave. My reasoning was that the leave campaign was better organised, that those pushing for change are always more motivated than those arguing for the status quo and the complacency that some might have felt given all the pre poll predictions.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I didn't say it was, but the 28% who didn't vote isn't the subject here. It is treating any region is isolation which is under review. In a previous comment I mused that I thought it likely that the 28% of non voters would likely contain more of those who preferred to remain than leave. My reasoning was that the leave campaign was better organised, that those pushing for change are always more motivated than those arguing for the status quo and the complacency that some might have felt given all the pre poll predictions. You keep thinking this, what a marvellous place Wissie world is.... everyone thinks the same as him
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Perhaps because it's only part of the picture? Good news is always welcome but it needs to be seen in context and over a long period so the real trends can be determined. We all know that a variety of factors can influence short term results. This was published a few hours ago:- jeez, I bet you're fun at parties!!
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't get the point you are trying to make but those who believe that the Maastricht treaty was federalist in scope aren't either stupid of racist. They are just wrong. It created the three pillars.
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Originally posted by chris123
It created the three pillars. Which have nothing to do with any kind of legal framework involving federalism.
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Originally posted by the silurian
jeez, I bet you're fun at parties!! Not a subject at any party I attend. There is a time and place for everything. You probably wouldn't recognise me at a party from my persona here. I tend to tell jokes rather than hold serious conversations.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I didn't say it was, but the 28% who didn't vote isn't the subject here. It is treating any region is isolation which is under review. In a previous comment I mused that I thought it likely that the 28% of non voters would likely contain more of those who preferred to remain than leave. My reasoning was that the leave campaign was better organised, that those pushing for change are always more motivated than those arguing for the status quo and the complacency that some might have felt given all the pre poll predictions. That’s just guesswork though. Just as likely they were leavers who didn’t think there was any chance of winning.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Which have nothing to do with any kind of legal framework involving federalism. It was the start.
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Originally posted by chris123
It was the start. Never for us and only for others if they want it. EU states cannot be compelled to do anything they don't want.
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