The idea that the Democrats are more left wing than Corbyn is really ridiculous, especially if they choose someone like Biden or Bloomberg as their candidate. Even Sanders or Warren are much more social democratic centralists than out and out socialists. Corbyn, by comparison, is a closet marxist.

Getting rid of Trump has to be a priority. Not the least for us. At worst he will only be around for another 5 years but the idea of concluding a trade deal with a Trump led US administration appalls me.

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How much nuance do you require in a brief post on a football website?

Whatever you think, there are lines drawn and most issues come to standing one side of the line or the other. The complexity of opinion is lost in the tribalism.

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Oh I know full well that his very deserved impeachment is just political theatre and that the GOP Senators have now been reduced, with a few notable and honorable exceptions, are now just sheep too scared to upset his totally indoctrinated support base. These are very strange days. It will only be in November that we will know whether democracy has triumphed in the USA and delivered sanity again.

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It’s a shame Melania can’t run. She’s as qualified as Hilary and Michelle who seem to have some supporters.

Not only that but Michelle was the very first transgender first lady.

Quite an achievement.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

The idea that anyone supports "open borders" is just so ridiculously untrue as to be farcical propaganda. Just because Fox says such rubbish doesn't make it true.

That some want a regime which is more sympathetic to the human rights of refugees doesn't mean that they want the border open to everyone without restrictions.

Similarly, treating people with compassion and care is the mark of a responsible and mature society. It doesn't mean that you encourage illegals, or even that you don't return them. It just means that whilst they are under your roof you treat them as humans and not as animals.

That's not left wing socialism of any kind. It's just the response of decent people.

The Democrats are very, very far from really being a socialist party in any sense that we in Europe would recognise. It's just that they are closer to our social democratic model. It's only when you compare them to the populist right wing regimes which we are now seeing, such as Trump's, that they look "leftish".

As I have said before if you stand far to the right then those on the centre right appear to be on the left because they are to the left of you. To us in the centre they still appear to be on the right.

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I don't watch Fox and as a reply that's the usual complete croak of BS.

Reminds us, what is left wing if this is centralist?

The one redefining 'open borders' is you. The term refugee becomes anyone who wants to get in with the Democrats and that's open borders.

Once again, free healthcare to illegal immigrants.

Centralist my arse.

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I would just remind anyone bothering to actually read the nonsense being posted here about the Democrats that the original accusation was that they are more left wing than Corbyn. My response being that by comparison they are much more in the centre as Corbyn is a closet Marxist. Anyone to the left of someone on the outer fringes of right wing thinking will seem on the left to them. You see evidence of that on a daily basis on these pages.

Now we have individual approaches to particular issues of specific candidates being touted as reasons to justify the original claim.

This is so weak as to make dishwater seem like condensed soup.

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