So you do then? Obama's not in charge anymore....Boris and Trump will sort it out!

This is what you wrote in response, presumably to Badger's link to the Mail article or my IMF link.

'We have been recently been offered one opinion piece from a European paper on Brexit, which has received widespread coverage in the right wing British press.

Here is another which I wager won't get ANY coverage but is in my view every bit as relevant:-

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Well, Badger's link to the Mail's positive opinion piece on Brexit contained within it a reference to the Confederation of British Industry reporting the biggest surge in confidence on record among manufacturers, with companies planning to ramp- up investment.

It also referred to the CBI's report which reported yet another fall in unemployment in the British jobs market.

This is in concert with the IMF's positive predictions for the UK economy for the next two years.

So taken holistically it looks pretty damning for the doom mongering that people like you have been spreading for a considerable time.

So whether you directly linked your reply in response to Badger's link or mine the idea that we are misrepresenting you is curious.

You posted that amusing Irish Times link in reponse to the good news we presented and your post itself is the evidence for that.

The Irish piece predicted hard times for the English after Brexit, whereas the IMF predict an economy doing better than the EU average. For you to state there is no connection is absurd and you posted it as an alternative viewpoint.

As for my viewpoint on the IMF, I already stated my opinions as to their motivations.

I would agree that reality is reality once something has happened and that political and economic predictions are often fused and not entirely honest.

However, this hasn't stopped you has it? I've seen no, 'on one hand and on the other' from you. All we get is undiluted activism so for you to make an argument for balance is truly 'bs baffles brains' manifest.

Regarding the horse trading in negotiations none of that is remarkable and while I look forward to the US deal no one with any sense thinks it's all going to be plain sailing.....But they won't be requiring that we become a part of a superstate.....so there's that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jan 2020 10.01pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

'Yes some commentators have been banned. Why was that? Not I would suggest because of their political views. Everyone is entitled to hold whatever views they want. No, they have been banned because they broke the rules of the sites they were using. Commercial operators can make whatever rules they like. It's their business and not yours or mine. Don't want to be banned? Stick to the rules. Don't like the rules? Find another site.'

I think I have a certain sympathy with this opinion.

However, not when the social media companies and their payment processors themselves act as a monopoly.

Alternative sites and companies have been effectively shut down by this monopoly.....So if this idea that....'don't like it, just move to another site'...well that isn't in actually a statement that relates to reality.

The social media companies abuse their position.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jan 2020 10.12pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I said that the piece in the Irish Times was an interesting and worthwhile read that introduced a new perspective to me. Not that it was covering the same subject as did the piece in the Bild.

The point was that the right wing press picked up the Bild piece and trumpeted it all over their front pages whilst I wagered the Irish Times one would be ignored, because it didn't suit their agendas.

I think the views expressed in the Irish Times make a lot of sense and explain quite well why we have ended in this position. I see some are already going into denial mode but it will take a few years before we know it it proves to be accurate. If Ireland reunifies, as I think now looks inevitable, then the pressure from Scotland will become almost impossible to resist. If the UK breaks up would Wales want to follow Scotland? I wouldn't bet against it. What future then for England? Back into a reformed EU as an associate member I suspect. Probably not in my lifetime though!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

But if the truth doesn’t become clear until after the event this propaganda may be true regardless of who posted it; in which case “rooting out” these messages would be propagating a falsehood.

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Not all the press is right wing though. The Guardian could have "trumpeted" the IT story. Or maybe it's just like I said.

Maybe they did! I don't read The Guardian and it certainly wasn't referenced here. Only the triumphalist tone of the Bild piece got any attention.

The point is that there is another, rather deeper, analysis of why this has happened which seems to me to be worthy of a wider circulation. Maybe in time it will get it.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Are you being serious or just trying to be snide?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Passions run high between Piers Morgan and Terry Christian.

I hope we can all agree that wishing old people would just die and Brexiteers lose their jobs is a bit tasteless and certainly doesn't do the pro EU cause any favours.

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Edited by Badger11 (28 Jan 2020 11.43am)

One more point

I would hope so too but what seems to yet be happening very effectively is the needed action by the social media platforms to use their sophisticated technology to weed out the chains of repeated messages.

If they know a story has deliberately been planted to disrupt, distort or mislead then some way needs to be found to destroy not just the roots but all the branches which have sprung from them.

Just look at some of the garbage that has been posted about Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama that has now become accepted by the anxious and insecure types, who form a significant part of the Trump base, as completely true.

It's this that concerns me. This is turning into the post truth age and that, ultimately, is in none of our interests.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

They are both opinionated prats using over the top statements to make their points.

I am quite sure Terry Christian doesn't wish anyone any personal harm just as those who introduced austerity didn't want anyone to personally suffer.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.