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 Matov  28 Jan 20 12.37pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
They are both opinionated prats using over the top statements to make their points. I am quite sure Terry Christian doesn't wish anyone any personal harm just as those who introduced austerity didn't want anyone to personally suffer. Whilst I agree with the general thrust of your first point, I struggle with the second. Terry Christian clearly does wish personal harm to befall people who voted in a different way to him. He celebrates that. To try and deny or proclaim some sort of moral relativity with what is a political/economic POV seems plain daft.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Jan 20 2.43pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Whilst I agree with the general thrust of your first point, I struggle with the second. Terry Christian clearly does wish personal harm to befall people who voted in a different way to him. He celebrates that. To try and deny or proclaim some sort of moral relativity with what is a political/economic POV seems plain daft. I really doubt that's true. I expect he would take some pleasure in seeing some Brexiteers suffer financially and from embarrassment if his predictions come true but real personal, physical, harm? I don't think so. I don't want anyone to ever suffer personally and the idea that Brexit is going to see the UK disintegrating and us facing many future difficulties just makes me sad for us all. I might be angry and upset at how this has been allowed to happen but that only increases my determination to make it right again. I think, and hope, that Mr Christian feels the same way at heart.
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| Matov 28 Jan 20 3.44pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I really doubt that's true. I expect he would take some pleasure in seeing some Brexiteers suffer financially and from embarrassment if his predictions come true but real personal, physical, harm? LOL. He says he want them and their families to suffer hardship. And how he desires to buy copies of the big issue from them. He wants them to be plunged into financial harm, to see their loved ones hurt by that as well. Is he saying he wants to punch them in the face? Then no. But he seems clear that he wished homelessness on them. That's not nice is it? Why on earth would you defend such a person in any way? Or are you simply unable to bring your self to condemn a prominent Remainer? Should somebody like Terry Christian be able to express these views? Absolutely. He is perfectly entitled to do so and long may that continue. But he meant it, 100%. I appreciate that many on the Remain side believe that you can pledge to say honour the result of a referendum and when you don't like the result tell us you really had your fingers crossed the entire time but surely you cannot be so mypoic in your support for the Remain side that you cannot bring yourself to condemn people for wishing the sort of harm that Christian so clearly does? Edited by Matov (28 Jan 2020 3.45pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Jan 20 10.37pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
LOL. He says he want them and their families to suffer hardship. And how he desires to buy copies of the big issue from them. He wants them to be plunged into financial harm, to see their loved ones hurt by that as well. Is he saying he wants to punch them in the face? Then no. But he seems clear that he wished homelessness on them. That's not nice is it? Why on earth would you defend such a person in any way? Or are you simply unable to bring your self to condemn a prominent Remainer? Should somebody like Terry Christian be able to express these views? Absolutely. He is perfectly entitled to do so and long may that continue. But he meant it, 100%. I appreciate that many on the Remain side believe that you can pledge to say honour the result of a referendum and when you don't like the result tell us you really had your fingers crossed the entire time but surely you cannot be so mypoic in your support for the Remain side that you cannot bring yourself to condemn people for wishing the sort of harm that Christian so clearly does? Edited by Matov (28 Jan 2020 3.45pm) Then we must agree to disagree. I just think he was saying t*** over the top things for effect. I think he believes that most Brexiteers are t***s and whilst he might enjoy giving them a verbal bashing it would end there. I certainly condemn anyone who wishes any harm done to someone else just because they hold opposing views. I just don't think he really does. He is hardly a "prominent remainer" is he? He is just Terry Christian!
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| Stirlingsays 28 Jan 20 10.58pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Interesting how labour and the left shouted from the roofs how we were in the Americans pockets and would give up the NHS. Well look at Huawei, doesn't look like we do what the Americans tell us after all!!! Yeah, but they aren't interested in reality because it gets in the way of their echo chambers. Look at the reaction to Christian, and compare it to how they would treat the opposite comments by those on the right. As transparent as glass.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 29 Jan 20 10.36am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I defend Christian's right to be an arsehole. But he's an arsehole all the same.....but then again he was an annoying arsehole when he was young as well. Kind of like the left's version of Jeremy Clarkson....just nowhere near as good at what he does....Except at being annoying. I seem to have forgotten why anyone cares what that idiot thinks. Was there ever a reason?
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| Stirlingsays 29 Jan 20 10.41am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I seem to have forgotten why anyone cares what that idiot thinks. Was there ever a reason? Not really but back in the day he was another one of those TV mouthy northern lefty presenters that TV production companies think represents the working class....instead of it being a small part of it.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 Jan 20 10.49am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Not really but back in the day he was another one of those TV mouthy northern lefty presenters that TV production companies think represents the working class....instead of it being a small part of it. Exactly. He is a mouthy northerner who uses his television exposure to express his political opinions.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 29 Jan 20 11.30am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Not really but back in the day he was another one of those TV mouthy northern lefty presenters that TV production companies think represents the working class....instead of it being a small part of it. I posted the link as celebrities like him and Hugh Grant do a real disservice to the perfectly valid political argument for re-joining the EU. One comment that Christian made that should have been followed up on was "I know what I am talking about I have seen the evidence". Well I would love to know what evidence that is or is he just parroting the project fear doom mongering. The simple truth is no one knows what is actually going to happen to this country we can only predict and opinions are like noses everyone has one.
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| Spiderman Horsham 29 Jan 20 11.55am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I posted the link as celebrities like him and Hugh Grant do a real disservice to the perfectly valid political argument for re-joining the EU. One comment that Christian made that should have been followed up on was "I know what I am talking about I have seen the evidence". Well I would love to know what evidence that is or is he just parroting the project fear doom mongering. The simple truth is no one knows what is actually going to happen to this country we can only predict and opinions are like noses everyone has one. The evidence he has seen is probably reading Wissies posts on here, as he is never wrong
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 29 Jan 20 2.49pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
The evidence he has seen is probably reading Wissies posts on here, as he is never wrong He is never right either he is what they call down in Cornwall " The brains of half a pasty".
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Jan 20 3.05pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
The evidence he has seen is probably reading Wissies posts on here, as he is never wrong Untrue. I get the lottery numbers wrong every week. Although I did win £100 on a scratch card once.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Jan 20 3.16pm |
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Originally posted by susmik
He is never right either he is what they call down in Cornwall " The brains of half a pasty". When anyone from Devon comments on Pasties people in Cornwall screw up their noses in mock horror! Devon people don't even know where the cream goes on a scone! I used to live in Totnes and work in Plymouth. My brother lives in Newton Abbot so I still visit quite often. So I have an appreciation of the folk in both counties. Strangely enough, although I have eaten many pasties (had one today for my lunch), I have never heard that expression from any of them. Perhaps the writer has though, as it makes more sense that someone would say it in his hearing.
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| .TUX. 29 Jan 20 3.20pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Are you being serious or just trying to be snide? Snide? No, not at all.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Jan 20 4.21pm |
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I'll regard that as an admittance of self delusion and self loathing.
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| dannyboy1978 29 Jan 20 4.45pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The idea that there is anyone on "the political left" posting here made me laugh out loud. I see absolutely no-one from the "left" here. I see a few who favoured remaining in the EU but that doesn't mean they are of the "left". I loath the left just as much as I loath the right. I am a social democrat and I think that the few who remain here taking the fight to the hard right Brexiteer majority who populate this place, all come over as being of that mind. But why? The right are in government now and democratically voted in, unless you would prefure a communist state? You did say your a democrate right?
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