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Originally posted by nickgusset
It all depends on why they don't work. They could be unable and have had benefits removed or cut. They may be ex steelworkers whose livelihoods have been taken away and not been replaced. Could be because of lack of investment in poorer areas. I'm sure the old daily fail myth of generations of the same family not working has been debunked. What are the figures for those out of work for more than two years? In Eltham most I spoke to agreed that they didn't like what is going on with cuts etc and that policies that Corbyn proposes are a positive step. A fair few said he was unelectable but couldn't go beyond the he's scruffy or other sort of media guff type answers. Those who said they didn't support Labour gave he's a commie type answers. There are a substantial amount of people who have absolutely no intention of working. Whilst they don't represent the majority there's plenty of women popping out kids and expect the likes of you and I to pick up the bill. The welfare state was there to provide a safety net, unfortunately too many see it as a lifestyle choice. This does a great disservice to those that need and deserve it. There was a protest in London against the bombing in Aleppo today. I was surprised that Comrade Corbyn, Momentum and Stop the War weren't there. Then I realised it was because it was a protest against the Russians
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
There are a substantial amount of people who have absolutely no intention of working. Whilst they don't represent the majority there's plenty of women popping out kids and expect the likes of you and I to pick up the bill. The welfare state was there to provide a safety net, unfortunately too many see it as a lifestyle choice. This does a great disservice to those that need and deserve it. There was a protest in London against the bombing in Aleppo today. I was surprised that Comrade Corbyn, Momentum and Stop the War weren't there. Then I realised it was because it was a protest against the Russians Corbyn was attending the education rally in Newcastle I believe.
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
There are a substantial amount of people who have absolutely no intention of working. Whilst they don't represent the majority there's plenty of women popping out kids and expect the likes of you and I to pick up the bill. The welfare state was there to provide a safety net, unfortunately too many see it as a lifestyle choice. This does a great disservice to those that need and deserve it. There was a protest in London against the bombing in Aleppo today. I was surprised that Comrade Corbyn, Momentum and Stop the War weren't there. Then I realised it was because it was a protest against the Russians Sadly all too true. While I think the welfare state (and the NHS) are probably amongst the greatest things in Britain today, there are always those who will abuse the system. Perhaps some sort of Chinese style 3 child cap (in terms of support, that is) is required- i.e. you get child benefits etc for the first 3, but after that you pay for them yourselves. There is a strong argument for the welfare state being 'tightened up' around the edges- unfortunately, Labour are never interested, and the Tories just want to cut the whole thing. And no government is strong enough to really look at and reform the biggest welfare drain- state pensions. I get the argument that 'people have paid in for 40 years and should get the benefits'- but I'm currently 30+ years away from state pension age and will probably end up paying in for 45-50 years thanks to later pension ages. Shouldn't I get the benefit too? Whereas probable situation is, I won't be able to claim state pension until I'm 70 (or even later) and will probably end up with less in real terms than todays pensioners.
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A fallacy I'm afraid Leifandersonshair and Y Ddraig Goch perpetuated by the mail et al.
'There are generations of workless, work-shy families' Source: Exposing the Myths of Welfare, Centre for Labour and Social Studies/Red Pepper Magazine
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Nick, not exactly an independent source is it. The excuse for increase in incapacity is laughable Universal benefits, it may be administratively more efficient but that doesn't mean that it is actually cheaper. £1 billion due to fraud. That's what they know and it sounds like a lot of money to me. And before you say it, illegal tax evasion should be stopped too. I could continue to pick holes but you get the picture So what about the March, surprised Corbyn, Stop the War etc weren't represented? Whether the source is independent is moot. The research shows what it shows. Are the headlines of thousands of scroungers from independent sources without an agenda? What are their sources if any? The research was set up to counter an agenda in newspapers to make people froth. As for the March, I don't know. I do know that many Labour groups were out up and down the country campaigning about cuts in education and selective schools. Corbyn was part of this. What Tory groups were on the march?
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Nick, not exactly an independent source is it. Universal benefits, it may be administratively more efficient but that doesn't mean that it is actually cheaper. £1 billion due to fraud. That's what they know and it sounds like a lot of money to me. And before you say it, illegal tax evasion should be stopped too. I could continue to pick holes but you get the picture So what about the March, surprised Corbyn, Stop the War etc weren't represented?
They never are...... that's why I don't read or respond to them... you are just giving oxygen to his objectives by discussing this.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Whether the source is independent is moot. The research shows what it shows. Are the headlines of thousands of scroungers from independent sources without an agenda? What are their sources if any? The research was set up to counter an agenda in newspapers to make people froth. As for the March, I don't know. I do know that many Labour groups were out up and down the country campaigning about cuts in education and selective schools. Corbyn was part of this. What Tory groups were on the march?
Ah so it had nothing to do with him not wanting to upset his Russian paymasters?
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Ah so it had nothing to do with him not wanting to upset his Russian paymasters? Is any source truly independent or without bias. But it doesn't negate the fact that papers like the maile et al have an agenda to make the problem seem a lot worse than it actually is, and that people take their s***e as read and believe it. Corbyns russian paymasters? Now who is making up crap!
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Is any source truly independent or without bias. But it doesn't negate the fact that papers like the maile et al have an agenda to make the problem seem a lot worse than it actually is, and that people take their s***e as read and believe it. Corbyns russian paymasters? Now who is making up crap! Please. Just give up son. Just be glad we won't have another election for a few years. Your party are beyond embarrassing.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Please. Just give up son. Just be glad we won't have another election for a few years. Your party are beyond embarrassing. Not my party Dad. Labour is the peoples' party! Edited by nickgusset (02 Oct 2016 2.28pm)
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Not my party Dad. Labour is the peoples' party! Edited by nickgusset (02 Oct 2016 2.28pm) Not any more comrade.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Not any more comrade. How many times? It's brother or sister in today's parlance.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
How many times? It's brother or sister in today's parlance. I like comrade,comrade
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Originally posted by legaleagle
I like comrade,comrade As long as it's pronounced comrad
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Originally posted by nickgusset
As long as it's pronounced comrad Where as I don't think the problem I'd as bad as certain papers say it is,its quite common.
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Originally posted by elgrande
Where as I don't think the problem I'd as bad as certain papers say it is,its quite common. There's some, no one has said that, but they tend to stick out in ones mind. I still stick by the research.
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Originally posted by elgrande
Where as I don't think the problem I'd as bad as certain papers say it is,its quite common. Don't doubt that is true but then again some people evade tax, that doesn't mean everyone does
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Is any source truly independent or without bias. But it doesn't negate the fact that papers like the maile et al have an agenda to make the problem seem a lot worse than it actually is, and that people take their s***e as read and believe it. Corbyns russian paymasters? Now who is making up crap![/quote] So he has never had Russian bosses? Never hosted a tv program on Russian TV? So, not really making crap up huh?
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Originally posted by nickgusset
Is any source truly independent or without bias. But it doesn't negate the fact that papers like the maile et al have an agenda to make the problem seem a lot worse than it actually is, and that people take their s***e as read and believe it. Corbyns russian paymasters? Now who is making up crap![/quote] So he has never had Russian bosses? Never hosted a tv program on Russian TV? So, not really making crap up huh?
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