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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 01 Oct 16 6.58pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

It all depends on why they don't work. They could be unable and have had benefits removed or cut. They may be ex steelworkers whose livelihoods have been taken away and not been replaced. Could be because of lack of investment in poorer areas.

I'm sure the old daily fail myth of generations of the same family not working has been debunked.

What are the figures for those out of work for more than two years?

In Eltham most I spoke to agreed that they didn't like what is going on with cuts etc and that policies that Corbyn proposes are a positive step. A fair few said he was unelectable but couldn't go beyond the he's scruffy or other sort of media guff type answers. Those who said they didn't support Labour gave he's a commie type answers.

There are a substantial amount of people who have absolutely no intention of working. Whilst they don't represent the majority there's plenty of women popping out kids and expect the likes of you and I to pick up the bill. The welfare state was there to provide a safety net, unfortunately too many see it as a lifestyle choice. This does a great disservice to those that need and deserve it.

There was a protest in London against the bombing in Aleppo today. I was surprised that Comrade Corbyn, Momentum and Stop the War weren't there. Then I realised it was because it was a protest against the Russians

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 01 Oct 16 7.13pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

There are a substantial amount of people who have absolutely no intention of working. Whilst they don't represent the majority there's plenty of women popping out kids and expect the likes of you and I to pick up the bill. The welfare state was there to provide a safety net, unfortunately too many see it as a lifestyle choice. This does a great disservice to those that need and deserve it.

There was a protest in London against the bombing in Aleppo today. I was surprised that Comrade Corbyn, Momentum and Stop the War weren't there. Then I realised it was because it was a protest against the Russians

Corbyn was attending the education rally in Newcastle I believe.

 

leifandersonshair Flag Newport 01 Oct 16 7.16pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

There are a substantial amount of people who have absolutely no intention of working. Whilst they don't represent the majority there's plenty of women popping out kids and expect the likes of you and I to pick up the bill. The welfare state was there to provide a safety net, unfortunately too many see it as a lifestyle choice. This does a great disservice to those that need and deserve it.

There was a protest in London against the bombing in Aleppo today. I was surprised that Comrade Corbyn, Momentum and Stop the War weren't there. Then I realised it was because it was a protest against the Russians

Sadly all too true. While I think the welfare state (and the NHS) are probably amongst the greatest things in Britain today, there are always those who will abuse the system.

Perhaps some sort of Chinese style 3 child cap (in terms of support, that is) is required- i.e. you get child benefits etc for the first 3, but after that you pay for them yourselves.

There is a strong argument for the welfare state being 'tightened up' around the edges- unfortunately, Labour are never interested, and the Tories just want to cut the whole thing.

And no government is strong enough to really look at and reform the biggest welfare drain- state pensions. I get the argument that 'people have paid in for 40 years and should get the benefits'- but I'm currently 30+ years away from state pension age and will probably end up paying in for 45-50 years thanks to later pension ages. Shouldn't I get the benefit too?

Whereas probable situation is, I won't be able to claim state pension until I'm 70 (or even later) and will probably end up with less in real terms than todays pensioners.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 01 Oct 16 7.20pm

A fallacy I'm afraid Leifandersonshair and Y Ddraig Goch perpetuated by the mail et al.


[Link]
A set of recurring 'myths' often distorts public debate on the benefits system, according to a new briefing from the Centre for Labour and Social Studies in conjunction with Red Pepper Magazine. The briefing highlights 12 myths widely used by politicians and in the media to justify the rolling back of the welfare state.
Key myths about benefits

'There are generations of workless, work-shy families'
Among households with two or more generations of working age, there are only 0.3 per cent where neither generation has worked.
'Benefits are too generous'
For the vast majority of families, taking a paid job would leave them significantly better off than receiving benefits.
'Spending on benefits is out of control'
Total benefit spending in 2011-12 accounted for 10.4 per cent of national income – lower than in the mid-1980s (11 per cent) and mid-1990s (12 per cent), despite the latest economic recession.
'The benefit bill is high because of cheats and fraudsters'
In 2011-12 just 0.7 per cent of the benefits bill was overpaid due to fraud – £1 billion compared with £70 billion lost through illegal tax evasion.
'Universal benefits are expensive and inefficient'
Universal benefits are highly efficient and require much less administration than selective benefits, which also lead to stigmatisation and reduced take-up.
'Most claimants are sitting at home on benefits for years'
Fewer than half of jobseeker’s allowance claimants claim for more than 13 weeks, and fewer than 10 per cent for more than a year.
'Many people choose to claim disability benefits rather than work'
Many employment and support allowance claimants have low employability in areas of few jobs. They may not be completely incapable of work, but they are certainly penalised by a labour market that has no place for them.
'Most benefit spending goes on the unemployed'
Out-of-work benefits account for under a quarter of all benefits spending. The biggest part – 53 per cent – actually goes to pensioners.
'The number of people claiming out-of-work benefits is increasing year on year'
In 1995, two years after the peak of the last recession, 17 per cent of people aged 16–64 were claiming an out-of-work benefit: by 2008 this was 11 per cent, and the 2008 recession only increased it to 12 per cent.
'We are spending vast amounts on huge families with hordes of children'
Families with more than five children account for just 1 per cent of out-of-work benefit claims. 91 per cent of benefit-claiming households have three or fewer children.
'The benefits system encourages couples to split up'
The DWP's own research has concluded that 'there is no consistent and robust evidence to support claims that the welfare system has a significant impact upon family structure'.
'Work is always the best route out of poverty'
Most children and working-age adults in poverty live in working, not workless, households. Low pay is a significant cause of poverty, with a fifth of workers paid less than a 'living wage'.

Source: Exposing the Myths of Welfare, Centre for Labour and Social Studies/Red Pepper Magazine

 

Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 01 Oct 16 8.27pm

Nick, not exactly an independent source is it.

The excuse for increase in incapacity is laughable

Universal benefits, it may be administratively more efficient but that doesn't mean that it is actually cheaper.

£1 billion due to fraud. That's what they know and it sounds like a lot of money to me. And before you say it, illegal tax evasion should be stopped too.

I could continue to pick holes but you get the picture

So what about the March, surprised Corbyn, Stop the War etc weren't represented?

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 01 Oct 16 9.57pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Nick, not exactly an independent source is it.

The excuse for increase in incapacity is laughable

Universal benefits, it may be administratively more efficient but that doesn't mean that it is actually cheaper.

£1 billion due to fraud. That's what they know and it sounds like a lot of money to me. And before you say it, illegal tax evasion should be stopped too.

I could continue to pick holes but you get the picture

So what about the March, surprised Corbyn, Stop the War etc weren't represented?

Whether the source is independent is moot. The research shows what it shows. Are the headlines of thousands of scroungers from independent sources without an agenda? What are their sources if any? The research was set up to counter an agenda in newspapers to make people froth.

As for the March, I don't know. I do know that many Labour groups were out up and down the country campaigning about cuts in education and selective schools. Corbyn was part of this.

What Tory groups were on the march?

 

Hoof Hearted 02 Oct 16 12.00pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Nick, not exactly an independent source is it.

The excuse for increase in incapacity is laughable

Universal benefits, it may be administratively more efficient but that doesn't mean that it is actually cheaper.

£1 billion due to fraud. That's what they know and it sounds like a lot of money to me. And before you say it, illegal tax evasion should be stopped too.

I could continue to pick holes but you get the picture

So what about the March, surprised Corbyn, Stop the War etc weren't represented?

They never are...... that's why I don't read or respond to them... you are just giving oxygen to his objectives by discussing this.

 

Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 02 Oct 16 12.01pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Whether the source is independent is moot. The research shows what it shows. Are the headlines of thousands of scroungers from independent sources without an agenda? What are their sources if any? The research was set up to counter an agenda in newspapers to make people froth.

As for the March, I don't know. I do know that many Labour groups were out up and down the country campaigning about cuts in education and selective schools. Corbyn was part of this.

What Tory groups were on the march?


Not really moot is it. We both know that using the same set of data we could probably make strong cases for both our arguments.

Ah so it had nothing to do with him not wanting to upset his Russian paymasters?

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 02 Oct 16 2.01pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch


Not really moot is it. We both know that using the same set of data we could probably make strong cases for both our arguments.

Ah so it had nothing to do with him not wanting to upset his Russian paymasters?

Is any source truly independent or without bias.

But it doesn't negate the fact that papers like the maile et al have an agenda to make the problem seem a lot worse than it actually is, and that people take their s***e as read and believe it.

Corbyns russian paymasters? Now who is making up crap!

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 02 Oct 16 2.25pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Is any source truly independent or without bias.

But it doesn't negate the fact that papers like the maile et al have an agenda to make the problem seem a lot worse than it actually is, and that people take their s***e as read and believe it.

Corbyns russian paymasters? Now who is making up crap!

Please. Just give up son.

Just be glad we won't have another election for a few years. Your party are beyond embarrassing.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 02 Oct 16 2.27pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Please. Just give up son.

Just be glad we won't have another election for a few years. Your party are beyond embarrassing.

Not my party Dad. Labour is the peoples' party!

Edited by nickgusset (02 Oct 2016 2.28pm)

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 02 Oct 16 3.08pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Not my party Dad. Labour is the peoples' party!

Edited by nickgusset (02 Oct 2016 2.28pm)

Not any more comrade.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 02 Oct 16 3.19pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Not any more comrade.

How many times? It's brother or sister in today's parlance.

 

legaleagle Flag 02 Oct 16 3.30pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

How many times? It's brother or sister in today's parlance.

I like comrade,comrade

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 02 Oct 16 4.13pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

I like comrade,comrade

As long as it's pronounced comrad

 

elgrande Flag bedford 02 Oct 16 4.31pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

As long as it's pronounced comrad

Where as I don't think the problem I'd as bad as certain papers say it is,its quite common.
There are two families in the village I live in who have no intention of ever getting a job.
And this is a village ffs...and it's at least two generations of them.
So take of those red specs nick it is a problem.

 


always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 02 Oct 16 4.43pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Where as I don't think the problem I'd as bad as certain papers say it is,its quite common.
There are two families in the village I live in who have no intention of ever getting a job.
And this is a village ffs...and it's at least two generations of them.
So take of those red specs nick it is a problem.

There's some, no one has said that, but they tend to stick out in ones mind.

I still stick by the research.

 

Sedlescombe Flag Sedlescombe 02 Oct 16 4.50pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Where as I don't think the problem I'd as bad as certain papers say it is,its quite common.
There are two families in the village I live in who have no intention of ever getting a job.
And this is a village ffs...and it's at least two generations of them.
So take of those red specs nick it is a problem.

Don't doubt that is true but then again some people evade tax, that doesn't mean everyone does

 

Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 02 Oct 16 5.03pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Is any source truly independent or without bias.

But it doesn't negate the fact that papers like the maile et al have an agenda to make the problem seem a lot worse than it actually is, and that people take their s***e as read and believe it.

Corbyns russian paymasters? Now who is making up crap![/quote]

So he has never had Russian bosses? Never hosted a tv program on Russian TV?

So, not really making crap up huh?

 


the dignified don't even enter in the game

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 02 Oct 16 5.08pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Originally posted by nickgusset

Is any source truly independent or without bias.

But it doesn't negate the fact that papers like the maile et al have an agenda to make the problem seem a lot worse than it actually is, and that people take their s***e as read and believe it.

Corbyns russian paymasters? Now who is making up crap![/quote]

So he has never had Russian bosses? Never hosted a tv program on Russian TV?

So, not really making crap up huh?


Theresa-may-goverment-brexit-european-union May was on the Andrew Marr show. Does that mean she has BBC paymasters.
Yer clutching at straws methinks.

 

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