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 ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Mar 20 10.33am |
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Does von der Leyen play the fiddle?
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Phil’s Barber  Crowborough 17 Mar 20 10.59am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It just wasn't "that simple" though was it? It really is that simple. We had a vote, which saw the biggest turn out we’ve had for generations. The result was Leave. This result was then further repeated with the European Elections and overwhelmingly endorsed in December with the General Election result. The Conservative Party then, true to their word and true to their manifesto on which they were elected, took us out of the EU. Anyone who says it wasn’t that simple is just in denial and that isn’t meant as a dig at you, it’s just stating the obvious. Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There were many strands which, when knitted together, meant we ended up with the kind of deal we got and an 80 majority Tory government of the type we have. This I’m afraid is just wishy washy guff and I have no idea what any of it actually means. I don’t see this as getting into an argument (as you put it) but a reasoned debate and one in which when someone posts something which is really so wide of the mark is rightly called out for it, the comments questioned/qualified and where necessary those comments rebuked.
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| Midlands Eagle 17 Mar 20 11.20am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As an ardent Brexiteer I must agree with you as there are far more important things going on that need the undivided attention of both the UK Government and the EU
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cryrst  The garden of England 17 Mar 20 11.24am |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Does von der Leyen play the fiddle? In an Irish band
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Mar 20 2.34pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Your original point was that the UK would be better with a common approach with Europe - how does the fact Italy, Spain, Germany and France are all making different decisions at different times reflect this common approach? This was the original point:- "It must be a bit of a shock to all the Eurosceptics, who constantly complained that Brussels had taken control over everything, to see that national governments actually retain total control and can, and do, act when the need arises." Trump made a typical knee jerk reaction, without consultation and any subsequent coordination. International cooperation is vital in everyone's interests at the moment. So why did he do that? My opinion, which has also been expressed by lots of others too, was that he was stung by the amount of criticism of his lack of seriousness, his dismissals of the crisis and clearly false claims about the number of test kits available. As ever he was more worried about his "ratings" than how it would impact the people, so went for a big announcement, as a Trumpish diversion. Did you watch the Channel 5 documentary comparing Henry V111 to Trump last night? So many truths there.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Mar 20 2.39pm |
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Originally posted by Phil’s Barber
This I’m afraid is just wishy washy guff and I have no idea what any of it actually means. I don’t see this as getting into an argument (as you put it) but a reasoned debate and one in which when someone posts something which is really so wide of the mark is rightly called out for it, the comments questioned/qualified and where necessary those comments rebuked. The reason that you have no idea what it means is all the evidence needed to explain why you think it is just a simple "we had a vote" matter. It just isn't that simple. There were many contributory factors but now is not the time to explain them all again. If you really want to know then trawl back through my posts in this thread. Start with Corbyn's contribution and work from there!
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Teddy Eagle  17 Mar 20 2.46pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This was the original point:- "It must be a bit of a shock to all the Eurosceptics, who constantly complained that Brussels had taken control over everything, to see that national governments actually retain total control and can, and do, act when the need arises." Trump made a typical knee jerk reaction, without consultation and any subsequent coordination. International cooperation is vital in everyone's interests at the moment. So why did he do that? My opinion, which has also been expressed by lots of others too, was that he was stung by the amount of criticism of his lack of seriousness, his dismissals of the crisis and clearly false claims about the number of test kits available. As ever he was more worried about his "ratings" than how it would impact the people, so went for a big announcement, as a Trumpish diversion. Did you watch the Channel 5 documentary comparing Henry V111 to Trump last night? So many truths there. This is the point I meant. It will certainly prove to all, I hope anyway, that acting together delivers better results than trying to stand alone. Now everybody is standing alone and apparently that’s good.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Mar 20 8.16pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
This is the point I meant. It will certainly prove to all, I hope anyway, that acting together delivers better results than trying to stand alone. Now everybody is standing alone and apparently that’s good. That though was not the point in the context of the comment. When you take things out of context you can usually twist them to mean something else. It seems that the EU are now preparing to act together to shut their external borders. As I have no wish to enter into pedantic arguments at this time I will leave it there.
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| dannyboy1978 17 Mar 20 8.17pm |
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Good luck
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| Teddy Eagle 17 Mar 20 8.28pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That though was not the point in the context of the comment. When you take things out of context you can usually twist them to mean something else. It seems that the EU are now preparing to act together to shut their external borders. As I have no wish to enter into pedantic arguments at this time I will leave it there. OK ... so Trump was grandstanding and lying but the EU doing the same thing is a fine example of collaborative working. Feel free not to answer.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Mar 20 9.37pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
OK ... so Trump was grandstanding and lying but the EU doing the same thing is a fine example of collaborative working. Feel free not to answer. No lying but rushed and impulsive for the former. Looks 100% grandstanding to me. Timing and co-ordination for the latter. No grandstanding on view so far as I can see.
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| Teddy Eagle 17 Mar 20 10.21pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No lying but rushed and impulsive for the former. Looks 100% grandstanding to me. Timing and co-ordination for the latter. No grandstanding on view so far as I can see. Or a sensible decision taken without delay which may have helped stop the spread of the virus.
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| Phil’s Barber Crowborough 17 Mar 20 11.16pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The reason that you have no idea what it means is all the evidence needed to explain why you think it is just a simple "we had a vote" matter. It just isn't that simple. There were many contributory factors but now is not the time to explain them all again. If you really want to know then trawl back through my posts in this thread. Start with Corbyn's contribution and work from there! Nope, still lame nonsense and utter guff. Speaking in a vague riddle is not going to cut it. Is this what it comes to when one can’t accept the result and the emphatic defeat that came with it?! Edited by Phil’s Barber (17 Mar 2020 11.17pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Mar 20 12.09am |
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Originally posted by Phil’s Barber
Nope, still lame nonsense and utter guff. Speaking in a vague riddle is not going to cut it. Is this what it comes to when one can’t accept the result and the emphatic defeat that came with it?! Edited by Phil’s Barber (17 Mar 2020 11.17pm) Oh well! Anyone can dismiss anything as "guff". The arguments are all there, you just have to find them and read them to understand. The reason we ended up with an 80 seat Tory majority, and a Brexit of the type we are stumbling towards, was down to a great number of different factors. The 2016 referendum and the 2019 GE were obviously the start and ending scenes of a long play with many characters and several acts. Interference in the referendum campaign by Russian bots working the social media platforms, aided and abetted by Farage and Cambridge Analytica was one. Cameron resigning another. May foolishly going to the country yet another. A Labour leader who did not want a second referendum and failed to stand aside when it was possible to install a national government prepared to go back to the people, probably the most defining one. That ought to be enough for you to realise that it has nothing to do with not being able to accept a "defeat". No-one was defeated. I can see what happened and why it did. The task now is to have patience and wait. Everything goes around. No battle is ever lost unless you stop fighting. Success almost always follows a series of setbacks.
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| dannyboy1978 18 Mar 20 6.57am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Oh well! Anyone can dismiss anything as "guff". The arguments are all there, you just have to find them and read them to understand. The reason we ended up with an 80 seat Tory majority, and a Brexit of the type we are stumbling towards, was down to a great number of different factors. The 2016 referendum and the 2019 GE were obviously the start and ending scenes of a long play with many characters and several acts. Interference in the referendum campaign by Russian bots working the social media platforms, aided and abetted by Farage and Cambridge Analytica was one. Cameron resigning another. May foolishly going to the country yet another. A Labour leader who did not want a second referendum and failed to stand aside when it was possible to install a national government prepared to go back to the people, probably the most defining one. That ought to be enough for you to realise that it has nothing to do with not being able to accept a "defeat". No-one was defeated. I can see what happened and why it did. The task now is to have patience and wait. Everything goes around. No battle is ever lost unless you stop fighting. Success almost always follows a series of setbacks. You were ! And your lot have made it difficult ever since. Traitor to this country. Edited by dannyboy1978 (18 Mar 2020 7.01am)
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| Midlands Eagle 18 Mar 20 7.30am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
She was last seen in Tesco staggering out under an armful of toilet rolls
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Mar 20 9.54am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
You were ! And your lot have made it difficult ever since. Traitor to this country. Edited by dannyboy1978 (18 Mar 2020 7.01am) Gina Miller is a heroine who had the courage to stand up and do what was right. She then succeeded because the Supreme Court agreed with her. That Brexit happened in the way it did was not her fault. The blame for that lies solely at the feet of Corbyn. Precisely what she is doing now I don't know but she will be back and active, of that I am very confident. It's only a question of when. Not if.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 18 Mar 20 9.57am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Gina Miller is a heroine who had the courage to stand up and do what was right. She then succeeded because the Supreme Court agreed with her. That Brexit happened in the way it did was not her fault. The blame for that lies solely at the feet of Corbyn. Precisely what she is doing now I don't know but she will be back and active, of that I am very confident. It's only a question of when. Not if. No she is not. A hero / heroine is someone who puts their own life at risk to save others. She is no more a hero than that stupid advert for "hero tradesmen". She is someone who is political and backed by other peoples money took her case to court and won. Nothing wrong it that just not heroic. Edited by Badger11 (18 Mar 2020 9.57am)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Mar 20 9.59am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
She was last seen in Tesco staggering out under an armful of toilet rolls People from her cultural background don't waste money on toilet rolls! They use a toilet douche. Much more hygienic and better cleansing than soft toilet tissue. Especially for the hairy assed. No doubt would suit quite a few of those posting here!
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| mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 18 Mar 20 10.44am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
People from her cultural background don't waste money on toilet rolls! They use a toilet douche. Much more hygienic and better cleansing than soft toilet tissue. Especially for the hairy assed. No doubt would suit quite a few of those posting here! Possibly the most racist post ever seen on HOL. Well done Wisbech. I knew what was smouldering there in Truro
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