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 Master Coin  11 Jun 19 11.53am |
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Originally posted by rollercoaster
The salary issue is a serious problem that I hadn't really considered. AWB will be on a low salary, doesn't matter what we sell him for, we wont be able to buy even one equivalent replacement because any recruit would want higher wages and I understand we are at maximum wages under FFP rules. So the talk of investing 50 million in two or three quality players just cannot happen unless we sell more of the squad. The decision then becomes: do we make 50 million this year and hope we can hang on another year with a weakened squad and invest next year when one or two of our high earners are off the books? Or, do we hope AWB has another good year and retains his value so we can sell him at the end of the season and have the wage capacity to buy a decent replacement? I know, we could sell the likes of Benteke. But would he go and who in their right mind would buy him? We’ve jettisoned a reasonable chunk of salary in the last couple of windows. Sako, Mutch, Cabaye were all on fairly high wages. We’ve also got rid of people like Jonny Williams etc which frees up a bit more. And we only signed Meyer of note last season so I expect our wage bill to have reduced.
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| HerneBayPalace Herne Bay 11 Jun 19 12.03pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
And do what with it? It is no coincidence that our two best players came from the academy. It was a miracle that we signed Sakho but he spends half the season injured. Benteke is the player we should be offloading. He is a great example of the kind of 'quality' player that you end up with when you flash your money about as a small club.
If you followed the accounts and our lack of spending recently, this will highlight that £50M is too good to turn down and can balance the books, or give us some room on FPP. For us, it sadly isn't all about investment back into the squad after the Allardyce/Pardew blow out. We have something like the 7th/8th highest wage bill in the Premier League. Losing a right back (a very good one at that) for £50M and keeping our main and only real attacking threat is the lesser of two evils. Since we've been up we've signed players that are 'good' and still in our match day squad, some of them for decent money and wages : - Sakho I can't believe people still don't trust Parish or the board to make the right choices.
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| Midlands Eagle 11 Jun 19 1.08pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Would have liked just one more season with him and then he can move on. You'd probably say that at the end of next season too
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 Hrolf The Ganger 11 Jun 19 1.11pm |
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Originally posted by HerneBayPalace
If you followed the accounts and our lack of spending recently, this will highlight that £50M is too good to turn down and can balance the books, or give us some room on FPP. For us, it sadly isn't all about investment back into the squad after the Allardyce/Pardew blow out. We have something like the 7th/8th highest wage bill in the Premier League. Losing a right back (a very good one at that) for £50M and keeping our main and only real attacking threat is the lesser of two evils. Since we've been up we've signed players that are 'good' and still in our match day squad, some of them for decent money and wages : - Sakho I can't believe people still don't trust Parish or the board to make the right choices. I am more interested in following the team. It makes me laugh when fans preoccupy themselves with the club finances. This club is not broke. It has a high wage bill like all PL clubs. We will never do anything other than circle the plug hole if we sell our best players. The most important business in football is done on the pitch and our status as a PL club is in serious danger if we don't stay ahead of the bottom clubs. Parish has had as much luck as good judgment so far.
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| HerneBayPalace Herne Bay 11 Jun 19 1.24pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I am more interested in following the team. It makes me laugh when fans preoccupy themselves with the club finances. This club is not broke. It has a high wage bill like all PL clubs. We will never do anything other than circle the plug hole if we sell our best players. The most important business in football is done on the pitch and our status as a PL club is in serious danger if we don't stay ahead of the bottom clubs. Parish has had as much luck as good judgment so far. My point being that we haven't sold our best players, which is a good effort if you think about the talent in our squad. We posted a £35M loss in 17/18 season, and that was delayed which was worrying. We haven't finished in Europe or sold anyone, so that loss may have deepened.You just can't ignore that as a fan? It may be worth considering the financial side when supporting the team, as we cannot throw money around. It only leads to high expectations and an underwhelming feeling at the end of each transfer window. If AWB has to go for us to progress or stabilise, then so be it sadly. Wilf is far more important. To lose both would be suicide. I understand what you are saying, but this isn't Football Manager on the PC, and expectations of what we can achieve and remembering who are we are need to be real.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 11 Jun 19 1.38pm |
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Originally posted by HerneBayPalace
My point being that we haven't sold our best players, which is a good effort if you think about the talent in our squad. We posted a £35M loss in 17/18 season, and that was delayed which was worrying. We haven't finished in Europe or sold anyone, so that loss may have deepened.You just can't ignore that as a fan? It may be worth considering the financial side when supporting the team, as we cannot throw money around. It only leads to high expectations and an underwhelming feeling at the end of each transfer window. If AWB has to go for us to progress or stabilise, then so be it sadly. Wilf is far more important. To lose both would be suicide. I understand what you are saying, but this isn't Football Manager on the PC, and expectations of what we can achieve and remembering who are we are need to be real. We could sign no one this season and probably stay up with a good couple of loans. There is nothing good to come from selling top class prospects and no need to do so.
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Mwncisee  Middlesbrough 11 Jun 19 1.57pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
We could sign no one this season and probably stay up with a good couple of loans. There is nothing good to come from selling top class prospects and no need to do so. But we will need to do so. We are not one of the top clubs with large commercial incomes. We have a smaller and much older stadium than most. We have a loyal, but in contrast to top clubs, smaller fanbase, we do not have a massive profile. The club cannot function by constantly signing players and never recouping any money spent. It's about managing the club and the finances in a responsible way. If we get good offers for players which aid that and whom we feel we can use the funds from to develop the club then the reality is we need to take it. As much as I like and rate AWB I do not see his leaving as going to be THE reason we would be relegated. Edited by Mwncisee (11 Jun 2019 2.00pm)
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| Maine Eagle USA 11 Jun 19 1.58pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You are clueless. The quickest route to bankruptcy is to be relegated and the best way to achieve that is to sell your best players. The whole purpose of a serious football club is to improve the team. We can enlarge the squad with money but the quality of players you can buy is almost always determined by the status of the club. We are not exactly a selling club. You are failing to understand that we probably need to sell one of Zaha or AWB. Zaha is a more important player for us and AWBs value is at a good level right now. So If we sell AWB no players will want to come to our team because it shows a lack of ambition? What nonsense.
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| Daddyorc Atlantic Highlands, NJ 11 Jun 19 2.20pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
We are not exactly a selling club. You are failing to understand that we probably need to sell one of Zaha or AWB. Zaha is a more important player for us and AWBs value is at a good level right now. So If we sell AWB no players will want to come to our team because it shows a lack of ambition? What nonsense. Every team is a selling club at the right price. Chelsea just sold Hazard, Arsenal sold VanPersie, Liverpool sold Coutinho, Tottneham sold Bale, Barcelona sold Neymar.... At a certain price it makes total sense, and for a right back, even one as good as AWB, 50mm plus is the right price. Just as a side note, on the top of this thread page 15 (on May 21) I said that AWB would be going, not Zaha. It just made more sense.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 11 Jun 19 2.22pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
We are not exactly a selling club. You are failing to understand that we probably need to sell one of Zaha or AWB. Zaha is a more important player for us and AWBs value is at a good level right now. So If we sell AWB no players will want to come to our team because it shows a lack of ambition? What nonsense. How do you know that? You don't know. If the point of selling AWB is to balance the books then very little of that money will be spent on players. That is a disaster waiting to happen. We need to strengthen our sick note defence, not weaken it.
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| Mwncisee Middlesbrough 11 Jun 19 2.23pm |
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Being reported by Sky Sports United will move for Max Aaarons of Norwich if their attempts to sign AWB fall through. And, amusingly if they are succesful, we will launch a bid for Aarons: [Link]
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| Hrolf The Ganger 11 Jun 19 2.28pm |
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Originally posted by Daddyorc
Every team is a selling club at the right price. Chelsea just sold Hazard, Arsenal sold VanPersie, Liverpool sold Coutinho, Tottneham sold Bale, Barcelona sold Neymar.... At a certain price it makes total sense, and for a right back, even one as good as AWB, 50mm plus is the right price. Just as a side note, on the top of this thread page 15 (on May 21) I said that AWB would be going, not Zaha. It just made more sense. Totally different circumstances Hazzard is 29 and had one year on his contract. He also wanted to leave.
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| Daddyorc Atlantic Highlands, NJ 11 Jun 19 2.30pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Totally different circumstances Hazzard is 29 and had one year on his contract. He also wanted to leave. Agreed, but they would have liked to have kept him. And even if that is totally different, the rest were very similar.
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| Phil H 11 Jun 19 2.45pm |
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The difference is that big clubs sell players when they are no longer needed on the pitch. Clubs like us are forced to sell our best players. It sucks!
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| chris123 hove actually 11 Jun 19 2.52pm |
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Don't want to lose AWB, but if he does leave, I hope it's to a club where he'll get Guardiola type coaching and be the best he can be.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 11 Jun 19 3.09pm |
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Originally posted by Daddyorc
Agreed, but they would have liked to have kept him. And even if that is totally different, the rest were very similar. No they weren't. They were all senior players. AWB has just got started.
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