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Continued mass shootings in America
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.TUX.  08 Aug 19 8.39pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It's quite amusing that this guy comes up with 'Lies, damn lies and statistics'.....Twain said it of course but it didn't originate with him....Which Twain said himself at the time.....But what does this guy tell you....He comes up with Twain....it's typical of most of what he pushes on here...half truths and wish fulfillment. But that's the point.....the easily fooled both believe and promote in error.....and some are just bare faced liars and exploiters. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Aug 2019 8.06pm) No, it's sad tbf given his age.
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 Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Aug 19 9.25pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Remember your 2nd paragraph wissy. I will comment on individual events on their individual merits and not in sweeping generalisations. 4 deaths being a mass killing is NOT so defined by the US law. Definitions vary. So everything you say is a waste of space, time and effort.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Aug 19 9.31pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled". Sadly you'll never understand. I trust you will remember that next time Trump, Johnson, or any of their apologists, open their mouths. Sadly there are a huge number of self righteous fools thinking they understand everything posting here who actually don't have one foot standing on solid ground. I am so glad I am not among them!
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| .TUX. 08 Aug 19 9.35pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I will comment on individual events on their individual merits and not in sweeping generalisations. 4 deaths being a mass killing is NOT so defined by the US law. Definitions vary. So everything you say is a waste of space, time and effort. Were you this vocal re- Mass Killings when Obama was in power?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Aug 19 9.38pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
No, it's sad tbf given his age. It's actually very much sadder that, when faced with an irrefutable argument, the weak minded feel that their only available response is to attack the poster, with totally irrelevant remarks, rather than address the points. It shows to me just how much the quality of the thinking here has diminished.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Aug 19 9.44pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Were you this vocal re- Mass Killings when Obama was in power? I don't think I was involved in this forum during Obama's time but I have always argued for stricter gun controls and said so on forums where gun ownership is defended at all cost. I remain a member of a few and continue to debate with, and be insulted by, the members there. Who is the POTUS has no bearing on that.
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Teddy Eagle  08 Aug 19 9.47pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I will comment on individual events on their individual merits and not in sweeping generalisations. 4 deaths being a mass killing is NOT so defined by the US law. Definitions vary. So everything you say is a waste of space, time and effort. Four deaths is the number used by the Gun Violence Archive. Does the figure matter? There are dead people and bereaved families whatever the total.
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| .TUX. 08 Aug 19 10.02pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's actually very much sadder that, when faced with an irrefutable argument, the weak minded feel that their only available response is to attack the poster, with totally irrelevant remarks, rather than address the points. It shows to me just how much the quality of the thinking here has diminished. With all due respect, you're describing yourself.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Aug 19 10.53am |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
With all due respect, you're describing yourself. With all due respect, you're confirming the point I made.
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| DanH SW2 01 Sep 19 12.09am |
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Yet another one.
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| Invalid user 2019 01 Sep 19 5.41pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Yet another one. Tragically, it's rather routine at this point. I don't ever see the gun issue being a non issue. Maybe better background checks, but even that is routinely promised and never delivered. Edited by dollardays (01 Sep 2019 8.31pm)
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corkery  Cork City 01 Sep 19 8.13pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Yet another one. I didn't see that coming.
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| Stirlingsays 01 Sep 19 8.20pm |
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Another one? What's happened?
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 Sep 19 8.51pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Another one? What's happened? Texas yesterday. [Link]
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| Invalid user 2019 02 Sep 19 3.47pm |
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Originally posted by W12
There is a huge correlation with drug use in mass shootings. Add to that general nihilism (post religion), consumer/celebrity culture, atomization/polarization due to social media, mainstream normalization of extremism (calling people nazi's for having a different point of view, support for "antifa". Calling for white genocide etc) and now a complete demonization of white men in modern culture (almost all the Democrat candidates have peddled this apart from Gabbard & Yang). Literally every mainstream Hollywood movie is evil white men versus good everyone else. It's not particularly subtle and they are getting the message that they are worse than useless, practically evil and not wanted. Is it any wonder that white men are getting screwed up? All that said though I think the mass shooting statistics are being massaged hugely to suit the agenda of gun control e.g. they include drive by shooting when it suits them and exclude them when it doesn't. Legal gun owners in the US need to hang on tight to their firearms. The 2nd amendment is there for good reason and may yet even save the world. Black or white, if someone shoots up a classroom of kids, or club full of adults they are solely responsible for that. The existence of ANTIFA and a bad run of Netflix selections do not make a person put a bullet in an innocent person's head. Racial grievances taken to the extent above, whether from blacks or whites, just act as excuses for not being accountable for actions and behaviour. If I hear that someone who strapped on a suicide belt was 'marginalised' and bullied and turned to religious extremism as result, I'm still infinitely more concerned for the victims than whatever personal weaknesses resulted in them thinking it was okay to destroy innocent lives.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Sep 19 3.53pm |
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Originally posted by W12
There is a huge correlation with drug use in mass shootings. Add to that general nihilism (post religion), consumer/celebrity culture, atomization/polarization due to social media, mainstream normalization of extremism (calling people nazi's for having a different point of view, support for "antifa". Calling for white genocide etc) and now a complete demonization of white men in modern culture (almost all the Democrat candidates have peddled this apart from Gabbard & Yang). Literally every mainstream Hollywood movie is evil white men versus good everyone else. It's not particularly subtle and they are getting the message that they are worse than useless, practically evil and not wanted. Is it any wonder that white men are getting screwed up? All that said though I think the mass shooting statistics are being massaged hugely to suit the agenda of gun control e.g. they include drive by shooting when it suits them and exclude them when it doesn't. Legal gun owners in the US need to hang on tight to their firearms. The 2nd amendment is there for good reason and may yet even save the world. The second amendment in the US is the only tool the republicans have once they have permanent Democratic governance.....which is coming. It's going to be very interesting over these next ten to twenty years. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Sep 2019 3.54pm)
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| W12 02 Sep 19 4.16pm | |
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Originally posted by dollardays
Black or white, if someone shoots up a classroom of kids, or club full of adults they are solely responsible for that. The existence of ANTIFA and a bad run of Netflix selections do not make a person put a bullet in an innocent person's head. Racial grievances taken to the extent above, whether from blacks or whites, just act as excuses for not being accountable for actions and behaviour. If I hear that someone who strapped on a suicide belt was 'marginalised' and bullied and turned to religious extremism as result, I'm still infinitely more concerned for the victims than whatever personal weaknesses resulted in them thinking it was okay to destroy innocent lives. I don't disagree with you but that doesn't stop it happening.
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| Invalid user 2019 02 Sep 19 4.29pm |
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Originally posted by W12
I don't disagree with you but that doesn't stop it happening. Unfortunately I don't think anything will. How we cover these events should probably change though. The 24 news cycle focus. People realise that there's an attention they can receive through this that would never otherwise be remotely possible. There's likely sometimes a disturbingly fine line between someone committing these acts of barbarism vs just getting on with the mundanity of a semi ordinary life.
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