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Originally posted by dollardays
I'm genuinely surprised that it's even money for either a Conservative majority and No Overall Majority. I can only assume that the Farage wildcard is factoring in, but ultimately I don't see him going full throttle against the Tories because he'd potentially only succeed in becoming the man who scuppered Brexit. I suspect there is going to be volatility in both the markets and polls as the campaigns unfold.
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Originally posted by Willo
The so called "Mess' is solely the result of a 'Hung Parliament'. At the end of the day Labour would have voted against ANY deal deal agreed with the EU. The Labour party led (I use the term loosely) by the Commissar of Islington North are the sole reason for the continued uncertainty and the reason Parliament has got nothing done. Edited by Willo (02 Nov 2019 11.23am) JC has been a most effective leader of the opposition, credit where it is due. You are quite wrong, Corbyn agreed to an election when no deal was off and that is exactly what he did. Carry on abusing people calling them commissars and marxists, we will see you on 12th December. No-one in their right mind would vote for Johnsons deal.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Indeed "My opinion" which differs from yours on an array of matters but polarised views all add to the rich tapestry of debate on HOL. In terms of "Respecting the referendum" it really is an easy concept to grasp but of cause 'Remainers' simply will not accept the result. A total of 17.4 million voted to LEAVE and that was their desire - to LEAVE the EU. Apropos the 'Union', it is the Labour policies that will threaten the breakup of our great Union not those of my party. Finally, with the greatest respect, you might not have a copy of the 'Corbyn Bible' but one suspects some of your utterances might appear in a few chapters! Edited by Willo (02 Nov 2019 11.53am)
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Originally posted by steeleye20
JC has been a most effective leader of the opposition, credit where it is due. You are quite wrong, Corbyn agreed to an election when no deal was off and that is exactly what he did. Carry on abusing people calling them commissars and marxists, we will see you on 12th December. No-one in their right mind would vote for Johnsons deal.
With respect I have never concluded that framing someone in these terms is considered abusive. Corbyn to my mind is a tyrant-backing, NATO-bashing marxist and his party propped up by the Lib Dems and SNP are the cast of no-hopers that have spent the last three years preventing Parlianment from getting anything done.
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Originally posted by Willo
With respect I have never concluded that framing someone in these terms is considered abusive. Corbyn to my mind is a tyrant-backing, NATO-bashing marxist and his party propped up by the Lib Dems and SNP are the cast of no-hopers that have spent the last three years preventing Parlianment from getting anything done. Look at the mess your mob have got this country in since coming to power. Absolute shambles.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
JC has been a most effective leader of the opposition, credit where it is due. You are quite wrong, Corbyn agreed to an election when no deal was off and that is exactly what he did. Carry on abusing people calling them commissars and marxists, we will see you on 12th December. No-one in their right mind would vote for Johnsons deal.
They're stuck between a rock and a hard place in that the Tories and Lib Dems have what is at least a somewhat clear message on Brexit. I'm not convinced that the average person has any idea what Labours take on Brexit is and that has to be a problem. They are massively up against it in this election, and personally I think if just about anyone else was leader they would stand a better chance. I'm not even saying it's entirely Corbyn's fault that he's viewed in such a way, but he's massively unpopular with the public.
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Originally posted by DanH
Really ? Labour would undo everything that has been achieved.
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Originally posted by Willo
Really ? Labour would undo everything that has been achieved. This country is the most divided it has ever been in my lifetime and will take a generation to get back on track. Your lot have been a shambles. 'Strong and stable' is f*cking laughable. You govern for yourselves and your party; not the country You now have a Prime Minister looking to reverse the irresponsible cuts that his predecessors forced upon us and take credit for repairing the damage. The government debt continues to grow. How anyone can *still* vote for the Tories is crazy. If only there was some decent opposition.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
"People like me" are far from "arrogant", at least over this issue. We have just looked at what has actually happened and are determined that such a disastrous sequence of events be brought to an end by our Parliament in the interests of our country I understand your 'arguments' but you seem to constantly overlook the importance of honouring a democratic vote. Either they have a brain block about the wider issues or they are deliberately obtuse because they simply cannot stand down from their position for egotistical or party political reasons. This is about the long term future, not the next year or five years or even ten.
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Originally posted by DanH
This country is the most divided it has ever been in my lifetime and will take a generation to get back on track. Your lot have been a shambles. 'Strong and stable' is f*cking laughable. You govern for yourselves and your party; not the country You now have a Prime Minister looking to reverse the irresponsible cuts that his predecessors forced upon us and take credit for repairing the damage. The government debt continues to grow. How anyone can *still* vote for the Tories is crazy. If only there was some decent opposition. With the greatest of respect I take a totally alternative viewpoint which I suspect is not a surprise to you! I certainly cannot accept the claim that Conservatives have not governed for the country when since April 2017 we have cut Income Tax for 31 million with the result that an additional 1.3 million of the lowest paid taken out of having to pay tax at all.This is just one example. Regards the "Cuts", such a policy was not done out of spite but tough decisions had to be taken to bring the public finances under control.Responsible Governments make tough decisions, irresponsible ones spend money like it is going out of fashion and bring the economy to it's knees - just ask Corbyn! I have to go out now so will bid farewell.At least we have debated our polarised opinions without any rancour or vitriol.Have a good day and don't forget the umbrella!
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Originally posted by DanH
This country is the most divided it has ever been in my lifetime and will take a generation to get back on track. Your lot have been a shambles. 'Strong and stable' is f*cking laughable. You govern for yourselves and your party; not the country You now have a Prime Minister looking to reverse the irresponsible cuts that his predecessors forced upon us and take credit for repairing the damage. The government debt continues to grow. How anyone can *still* vote for the Tories is crazy. If only there was some decent opposition. It’s a similar story in Scotland regarding opposition. How many people could put a face to Richard Leonard or Jackson Carlaw let alone Willie Rennie. Ruth Davidson gained a bit of traction but now she’s gone it’s hard to see past the SNP.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
It’s a similar story in Scotland regarding opposition. How many people could put a face to Richard Leonard or Jackson Carlaw let alone Willie Rennie. Ruth Davidson gained a bit of traction but now she’s gone it’s hard to see past the SNP. Bring back Ewen McTeagle:- 'Lend us a quid till the end of the week.
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Originally posted by Willo
With the greatest of respect I take a totally alternative viewpoint which I suspect is not a surprise to you! I certainly cannot accept the claim that Conservatives have not governed for the country when since April 2017 we have cut Income Tax for 31 million with the result that an additional 1.3 million of the lowest paid taken out of having to pay tax at all.This is just one example. Regards the "Cuts", such a policy was not done out of spite but tough decisions had to be taken to bring the public finances under control.Responsible Governments make tough decisions, irresponsible ones spend money like it is going out of fashion and bring the economy to it's knees - just ask Corbyn! I have to go out now so will bid farewell.At least we have debated our polarised opinions without any rancour or vitriol.Have a good day and don't forget the umbrella! Edited by Willo (02 Nov 2019 12.17pm) Yes, the Tory hell-hole that is painted by the left, yet people risk their lives to get to this country while passing through various EU Utopias.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Bring back Ewen McTeagle:- 'Lend us a quid till the end of the week. Worthy of the Master himself.
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Originally posted by DanH
This country is the most divided it has ever been in my lifetime and will take a generation to get back on track. Your lot have been a shambles. 'Strong and stable' is f*cking laughable. You govern for yourselves and your party; not the country You now have a Prime Minister looking to reverse the irresponsible cuts that his predecessors forced upon us and take credit for repairing the damage. The government debt continues to grow. How anyone can *still* vote for the Tories is crazy. If only there was some decent opposition. You could have reduced your four paragraphs down to four words. Paragraph one. Moan Paragraph two. Moan Paragraph three. Moan Paragraph four. Moan. Honestly, you sound like you have an arthritic hip and can't find your painkillers.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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Originally posted by Willo
With respect I have never concluded that framing someone in these terms is considered abusive. Corbyn to my mind is a tyrant-backing, NATO-bashing marxist and his party propped up by the Lib Dems and SNP are the cast of no-hopers that have spent the last three years preventing Parlianment from getting anything done. Whilst the EU have stayed firm all the way through and done their talking with the other 26 behind closed doors and with a united front. The way it should have been done here.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
It’s a similar story in Scotland regarding opposition. How many people could put a face to Richard Leonard or Jackson Carlaw let alone Willie Rennie. Ruth Davidson gained a bit of traction but now she’s gone it’s hard to see past the SNP. I think perhaps that's because her tongue became so rough that she no longer needed to chew.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I think perhaps that's because her tongue became so rough that she no longer needed to chew. And the reason for that would be...oh, right. Welcome back!
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