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hedgehog50 Croydon 28 May 17 2.38pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Can you point to one thing in the Labour Manifesto that betrays the working class? The priorities of the current Labour party that has been hijacked by the extreme left are: - pandering to demands of racial minorities - pandering to demands of social minorities - pandering to demands of the EU - attacking endeavours that create wealth - unconditionally support Palestine - undermining Israel - undermining USA - undermining NATO - disapproval of white working class views Edited by hedgehog50 (28 May 2017 2.40pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 28 May 17 2.38pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Can you point to one thing in the Labour Manifesto that betrays the working class?

The priorities of the current Labour party that has been hijacked by the extreme left are:
- pandering to demands of racial minorities
- pandering to demands of social minorities
- pandering to demands of the EU
- attacking endeavours that create wealth
- unconditionally support Palestine
- undermining Israel
- undermining USA
- undermining NATO
- disapproval of white working class views

Edited by hedgehog50 (28 May 2017 2.40pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Stirlingsays 28 May 17 2.42pm
For some reason Cucking the site forbids me replying directly to your post...so I'll post it here. You think cementing in elitism works best overall for the state?.....The numbers are too small...It isn't a good system. Finland does best in international comparisons and is comprehensive. Standards have fallen 'since' comprehensives where invented? What is this an argument for secondary moderns? Taking the best out of the system and then pointing at the system and saying, 'it's sh1t' seems devoid of culpability to me. As I say, Finland tops the table and it is comprehensive.....You are repeating ideology. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

28 May 17 2.42pm

For some reason Cucking the site forbids me replying directly to your post...so I'll post it here.

You think cementing in elitism works best overall for the state?.....The numbers are too small...It isn't a good system. Finland does best in international comparisons and is comprehensive.

Standards have fallen 'since' comprehensives where invented? What is this an argument for secondary moderns?

Taking the best out of the system and then pointing at the system and saying, 'it's sh1t' seems devoid of culpability to me.

As I say, Finland tops the table and it is comprehensive.....You are repeating ideology.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 28 May 17 2.44pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 The priorities of the current Labour party that has been hijacked by the extreme left are: - pandering to demands of racial minorities - pandering to demands of social minorities - pandering to demands of the EU - attacking endeavours that create wealth - unconditionally support Palestine - undermining Israel - undermining USA - undermining NATO - disapproval of white working class views Edited by hedgehog50 (28 May 2017 2.40pm) Seconded....Labour has long since abandoned the British working class. It's an internationalist party. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

28 May 17 2.44pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Edited by hedgehog50 (28 May 2017 2.40pm)

Seconded....Labour has long since abandoned the British working class. It's an internationalist party.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Big Guy 28 May 17 2.56pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays So revealing that you find that boring. Corbyn has nothing but appeasement to offer the British people in tackling a continuing and increasing Islamic terror problem. He can't even bring himself to call it what it is. The Tories are half way to pathetic but the far left are much worse. What are you offering? More bombing? That's worked well hasn't it Time to go Alan

Big Guy

28 May 17 2.56pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So revealing that you find that boring.

Corbyn has nothing but appeasement to offer the British people in tackling a continuing and increasing Islamic terror problem. He can't even bring himself to call it what it is.

The Tories are half way to pathetic but the far left are much worse.

What are you offering? More bombing? That's worked well hasn't it

Time to go Alan

Hrolf The Ganger 28 May 17 3.26pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Can you point to one thing in the Labour Manifesto that betrays the working class? Manifestos don't mean anything. They are a tissue of lies and hollow promises.

Hrolf The Ganger

28 May 17 3.26pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Can you point to one thing in the Labour Manifesto that betrays the working class?

Manifestos don't mean anything. They are a tissue of lies and hollow promises.

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 28 May 17 3.30pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays For some reason Cucking the site forbids me replying directly to your post...so I'll post it here. You think cementing in elitism works best overall for the state?.....The numbers are too small...It isn't a good system. Finland does best in international comparisons and is comprehensive. Standards have fallen 'since' comprehensives where invented? What is this an argument for secondary moderns? Taking the best out of the system and then pointing at the system and saying, 'it's sh1t' seems devoid of culpability to me. As I say, Finland tops the table and it is comprehensive.....You are repeating ideology. The grammar system is available to anyone, regardless of background. If identifying the smartest and brightest is "elitism", then I'm all for it. The old system of grammars and secondary moderns seemed to work pretty well until the social engineers got hold of it. Edited by Cucking Funt (28 May 2017 3.31pm) Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 28 May 17 3.30pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

For some reason Cucking the site forbids me replying directly to your post...so I'll post it here.

You think cementing in elitism works best overall for the state?.....The numbers are too small...It isn't a good system. Finland does best in international comparisons and is comprehensive.

Standards have fallen 'since' comprehensives where invented? What is this an argument for secondary moderns?

Taking the best out of the system and then pointing at the system and saying, 'it's sh1t' seems devoid of culpability to me.

As I say, Finland tops the table and it is comprehensive.....You are repeating ideology.

The grammar system is available to anyone, regardless of background. If identifying the smartest and brightest is "elitism", then I'm all for it. The old system of grammars and secondary moderns seemed to work pretty well until the social engineers got hold of it.

Edited by Cucking Funt (28 May 2017 3.31pm)

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Hrolf The Ganger 28 May 17 3.34pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Na mate, it's biased towards those who have the resources to ensure their kids get into it. That's what the history of them shows. That is simply not true. Taking myself as an example. I spent not one penny on my kids education beyond a set of practice GCSE exam papers. My daughter went to a grammar and is about to graduate by her own efforts. The idea that grammar school places are bought is just stereotyping.

Hrolf The Ganger

28 May 17 3.34pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Na mate, it's biased towards those who have the resources to ensure their kids get into it. That's what the history of them shows.

That is simply not true. Taking myself as an example. I spent not one penny on my kids education beyond a set of practice GCSE exam papers. My daughter went to a grammar and is about to graduate by her own efforts.
The idea that grammar school places are bought is just stereotyping.

Hrolf The Ganger 28 May 17 3.44pm
Originally posted by Big Guy Such as? Go on. Mention the IRA. (Who talked their way to peace and now form part of NI govt) Next ...yawn... They murdered innocent people to try and subvert democracy and were forced to negotiate because their organisation was totally infiltrated by informants. Dickheads like Corbyn want to negotiate with murderers because he is weak, not because he is strong. The time to negotiate with your enemy is when you have them by the balls.

Hrolf The Ganger

28 May 17 3.44pm

Originally posted by Big Guy

Such as? Go on. Mention the IRA. (Who talked their way to peace and now form part of NI govt) Next ...yawn...

They murdered innocent people to try and subvert democracy and were forced to negotiate because their organisation was totally infiltrated by informants.

Dickheads like Corbyn want to negotiate with murderers because he is weak, not because he is strong.
The time to negotiate with your enemy is when you have them by the balls.

hedgehog50 Croydon 28 May 17 3.52pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger They murdered innocent people to try and subvert democracy and were forced to negotiate because their organisation was totally infiltrated by informants. Dickheads like Corbyn want to negotiate with murderers because he is weak, not because he is strong. The time to negotiate with your enemy is when you have them by the balls. Jeremy Corbyn has spent a political lifetime siding with Britain's enemies. He had a role in a hard-Left magazine 'London Briefing' that celebrated the 1984 Brighton Bombing, which killed a MP and four others. It's 'editorial' said the attack showed 'the British only sit up and take notice when they are bombed into it'. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 28 May 17 3.52pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

They murdered innocent people to try and subvert democracy and were forced to negotiate because their organisation was totally infiltrated by informants.

Dickheads like Corbyn want to negotiate with murderers because he is weak, not because he is strong.
The time to negotiate with your enemy is when you have them by the balls.

Jeremy Corbyn has spent a political lifetime siding with Britain's enemies. He had a role in a hard-Left magazine 'London Briefing' that celebrated the 1984 Brighton Bombing, which killed a MP and four others.
It's 'editorial' said the attack showed 'the British only sit up and take notice when they are bombed into it'.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Hrolf The Ganger 28 May 17 4.12pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Jeremy Corbyn has spent a political lifetime siding with Britain's enemies. He had a role in a hard-Left magazine 'London Briefing' that celebrated the 1984 Brighton Bombing, which killed a MP and four others. It's 'editorial' said the attack showed 'the British only sit up and take notice when they are bombed into it'. And the treacherous toad has the audacity to run for Prime minister.

Hrolf The Ganger

28 May 17 4.12pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

And the treacherous toad has the audacity to run for Prime minister.

Kermit8 Hevon 28 May 17 4.21pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays For some reason Cucking the site forbids me replying directly to your post...so I'll post it here. You think cementing in elitism works best overall for the state?.....The numbers are too small...It isn't a good system. Finland does best in international comparisons and is comprehensive. Standards have fallen 'since' comprehensives where invented? What is this an argument for secondary moderns? Taking the best out of the system and then pointing at the system and saying, 'it's sh1t' seems devoid of culpability to me. As I say, Finland tops the table and it is comprehensive.....You are repeating ideology. Yes Cucking is forbidden here too... I'm all for grammars for the "brightest" but there is no doubt that some parents that can afford to private tutor their offspring in preparation for the entrance exams, because they need the help, do. My mate did last year to get his lad into Torquay Grammar. It's not quite the level playing field it could be but then again nor is life generally so not a massive criticism more an observation. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 28 May 17 4.21pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

For some reason Cucking the site forbids me replying directly to your post...so I'll post it here.

You think cementing in elitism works best overall for the state?.....The numbers are too small...It isn't a good system. Finland does best in international comparisons and is comprehensive.

Standards have fallen 'since' comprehensives where invented? What is this an argument for secondary moderns?

Taking the best out of the system and then pointing at the system and saying, 'it's sh1t' seems devoid of culpability to me.

As I say, Finland tops the table and it is comprehensive.....You are repeating ideology.

Yes Cucking is forbidden here too...

I'm all for grammars for the "brightest" but there is no doubt that some parents that can afford to private tutor their offspring in preparation for the entrance exams, because they need the help, do. My mate did last year to get his lad into Torquay Grammar.

It's not quite the level playing field it could be but then again nor is life generally so not a massive criticism more an observation.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 28 May 17 4.27pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger That is simply not true. Taking myself as an example. I spent not one penny on my kids education beyond a set of practice GCSE exam papers. My daughter went to a grammar and is about to graduate by her own efforts. The idea that grammar school places are bought is just stereotyping. Decisions on this need to be taken based on evidence not anecdotes. As previously mentioned evidence globally shows selective education does not deliver the best possible outcome for a school system.

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 28 May 17 4.27pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Decisions on this need to be taken based on evidence not anecdotes. As previously mentioned evidence globally shows selective education does not deliver the best possible outcome for a school system.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 28 May 17 4.30pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Jeremy Corbyn has spent a political lifetime siding with Britain's enemies. He had a role in a hard-Left magazine 'London Briefing' that celebrated the 1984 Brighton Bombing, which killed a MP and four others. It's 'editorial' said the attack showed 'the British only sit up and take notice when they are bombed into it'. It was labour briefing not London briefing. I've had an article published in their years ago on education. Corbyn explained his role with them quite comprehensively in an interview a couple of weeks ago. [Link] Don't let the truth get in the way of your BS.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 28 May 17 4.30pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

It was labour briefing not London briefing. I've had an article published in their years ago on education.

Corbyn explained his role with them quite comprehensively in an interview a couple of weeks ago.

[Link]

Don't let the truth get in the way of your BS.

Stirlingsays 28 May 17 4.30pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Yes Cucking is forbidden here too... I'm all for grammars for the "brightest" but there is no doubt that some parents that can afford to private tutor their offspring in preparation for the entrance exams, because they need the help, do. My mate did last year to get his lad into Torquay Grammar. It's not quite the level playing field it could be but then again nor is life generally so not a massive criticism more an observation. Yeah, it's not as though the brightest can't be catered for from within a comprehensive system. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

28 May 17 4.30pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Yes Cucking is forbidden here too...

It's not quite the level playing field it could be but then again nor is life generally so not a massive criticism more an observation.

Yeah, it's not as though the brightest can't be catered for from within a comprehensive system.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Big Guy 28 May 17 4.34pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger They murdered innocent people to try and subvert democracy and were forced to negotiate because their organisation was totally infiltrated by informants. Dickheads like Corbyn want to negotiate with murderers because he is weak, not because he is strong. The time to negotiate with your enemy is when you have them by the balls. Lol Time to go Alan

Big Guy

28 May 17 4.34pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

They murdered innocent people to try and subvert democracy and were forced to negotiate because their organisation was totally infiltrated by informants.

Dickheads like Corbyn want to negotiate with murderers because he is weak, not because he is strong.
The time to negotiate with your enemy is when you have them by the balls.

Lol

Time to go Alan

Big Guy 28 May 17 4.36pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Jeremy Corbyn has spent a political lifetime siding with Britain's enemies. He had a role in a hard-Left magazine 'London Briefing' that celebrated the 1984 Brighton Bombing, which killed a MP and four others. It's 'editorial' said the attack showed 'the British only sit up and take notice when they are bombed into it'. Quod erat demonstrandum lol Time to go Alan

Big Guy

28 May 17 4.36pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Quod erat demonstrandum lol

Time to go Alan

Stirlingsays 28 May 17 4.37pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger That is simply not true. Taking myself as an example. I spent not one penny on my kids education beyond a set of practice GCSE exam papers. My daughter went to a grammar and is about to graduate by her own efforts. The idea that grammar school places are bought is just stereotyping. Have you actually researched the effects of Grammars on social mobility? I was a teacher and looked into it during my PGCE. Grammars mainly help the middle class. I wasn't impressed by the claims....the claims aren't born out by the actual statistics. I'm for developing the best system for meritocracy for everyone. I don't see Grammars as helping. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

28 May 17 4.37pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Have you actually researched the effects of Grammars on social mobility? I was a teacher and looked into it during my PGCE. Grammars mainly help the middle class.

I wasn't impressed by the claims....the claims aren't born out by the actual statistics.

I'm for developing the best system for meritocracy for everyone. I don't see Grammars as helping.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 28 May 17 4.41pm
If you aren't pro British state vote Corbyn....that's the reality. I don't appreciate it when I'm told cheese is butter. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

28 May 17 4.41pm

If you aren't pro British state vote Corbyn....that's the reality.

I don't appreciate it when I'm told cheese is butter.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 28 May 17 4.55pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Have you actually researched the effects of Grammars on social mobility? I was a teacher and looked into it during my PGCE. Grammars mainly help the middle class. I wasn't impressed by the claims....the claims aren't born out by the actual statistics. I'm for developing the best system for meritocracy for everyone. I don't see Grammars as helping. Ahhhh, the "middle class". Defined as what, exactly? In many cases, it comprises people who used to be "working class", a step up facilitated by, amongst other things, the existence of grammar schools. Or do you have a wider objection to the "middle class"? Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 28 May 17 4.55pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Have you actually researched the effects of Grammars on social mobility? I was a teacher and looked into it during my PGCE. Grammars mainly help the middle class.

I wasn't impressed by the claims....the claims aren't born out by the actual statistics.

I'm for developing the best system for meritocracy for everyone. I don't see Grammars as helping.

Ahhhh, the "middle class". Defined as what, exactly? In many cases, it comprises people who used to be "working class", a step up facilitated by, amongst other things, the existence of grammar schools. Or do you have a wider objection to the "middle class"?

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 28 May 17 4.58pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yeah, it's not as though the brightest can't be catered for from within a comprehensive system. Not if budgets are slashed...

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 28 May 17 4.58pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah, it's not as though the brightest can't be catered for from within a comprehensive system.

Not if budgets are slashed...

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