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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 21 Jul 20 11.58am
Originally posted by steeleye20 The EU 750bn euros virus protection fund does not bear any comparison to the UKs world-beating offer of a cheap meal in August and mass unemployment. Try paying the taxes we do if you want the same. People on the dole here have far more than people who work (the minimum unemployment is 205 euro a week). Now there will be more taxes. The Irish will just take the money and the politicians can siphon it off on pet projects. The people will moan. The French are at their limit and will riot. The Germans will wallow in smugness whilst the people moan about Merkel. The Spanish, Greeks and Italians will vote increasingly nationalist parties in and will be baying for an EU referendum, which they won't get. I'll put it to you this way, if your money was being blatantly stolen to waste on welfare people living in luxury and paying off EU debts, would that suit you? The tax here is three times what I'd be paying in the UK, plus I pay for the doctor, the dentist, everything basically. Careful what you wish for, workers are much better treated in the UK. EU workers will have to pay this sh1t back, whilst many of us, just like in the UK, by no means agreed with a lockdown. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 21 Jul 20 11.58am

Originally posted by steeleye20

The EU 750bn euros virus protection fund does not bear any comparison to the UKs world-beating offer of a cheap meal in August and mass unemployment.

Try paying the taxes we do if you want the same. People on the dole here have far more than people who work (the minimum unemployment is 205 euro a week). Now there will be more taxes. The Irish will just take the money and the politicians can siphon it off on pet projects. The people will moan. The French are at their limit and will riot. The Germans will wallow in smugness whilst the people moan about Merkel. The Spanish, Greeks and Italians will vote increasingly nationalist parties in and will be baying for an EU referendum, which they won't get.
I'll put it to you this way, if your money was being blatantly stolen to waste on welfare people living in luxury and paying off EU debts, would that suit you? The tax here is three times what I'd be paying in the UK, plus I pay for the doctor, the dentist, everything basically. Careful what you wish for, workers are much better treated in the UK. EU workers will have to pay this sh1t back, whilst many of us, just like in the UK, by no means agreed with a lockdown.

Red and Blue Army!

Cpfc1861 21 Jul 20 12.25pm
On SkySports they spoke about russia with russian military parades running on the screen creating this RUSSIANS ARE COMING vibe PROPAGANDA.

Cpfc1861

21 Jul 20 12.25pm

On SkySports they spoke about russia with russian military parades running on the screen creating this RUSSIANS ARE COMING vibe PROPAGANDA.

steeleye20 Croydon 21 Jul 20 12.33pm
Originally posted by Badger11 I would love to know how this money is eventually spent in the EU. I bet the mafia are rubbing their hands with glee. What culinary delight are you anticipating in early August B?

steeleye20

Croydon 21 Jul 20 12.33pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I would love to know how this money is eventually spent in the EU. I bet the mafia are rubbing their hands with glee.

What culinary delight are you anticipating in early August B?

Cpfc1861 21 Jul 20 1.26pm
Can we boot the benefit scrounging jocks out of the union now.

Cpfc1861

21 Jul 20 1.26pm

Can we boot the benefit scrounging jocks out of the union now.

Badger11 Beckenham 21 Jul 20 1.44pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 What culinary delight are you anticipating in early August B? To be honest I agree with you it's a gimmick so I am not interested. However we do need to do something for public confidence, a well off friend told me they will be spending money in the high street etc. as they feel obliged to help out. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 21 Jul 20 1.44pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

What culinary delight are you anticipating in early August B?

To be honest I agree with you it's a gimmick so I am not interested. However we do need to do something for public confidence, a well off friend told me they will be spending money in the high street etc. as they feel obliged to help out.

One more point

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Jul 20 1.58pm
What a surprise! Having spent weeks away from here I come back to see what the Brexiteers are saying about the most damning report I can ever remember on Government incompetence and what do I find? Almost nothing. As pointed out at the time this Government deliberately held back publishing this report as it feared it's impact on the 2019 election result. Now it allows it's publication shortly before the summer recess in the hope it will be in the long grass again by the Autumn. My argument for years has been that Russian interference in such a close referendum result in 2016 could well have been sufficient to tip the balance. Now we know that the reason the Government hasn't seen any interference is not that there wasn't any. It was because they weren't looking. Brexit ought, of course, be cancelled. It's what anyone with a scrap of integrity would argue for, whatever their personal opinion on it's merits. That it won't be, tells us all we need to know about the integrity of those pulling the strings of the current government. Whether public opinion on this will be strong enough to ensure action is an open question. Brexit weariness is a reality. Not though with me. This report is a turning point on the long road to see this stupidity reversed and, indeed, in the need to see our democratic system overhauled and modernised to ensure it becomes truly representative. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Jul 20 1.58pm

What a surprise! Having spent weeks away from here I come back to see what the Brexiteers are saying about the most damning report I can ever remember on Government incompetence and what do I find? Almost nothing. As pointed out at the time this Government deliberately held back publishing this report as it feared it's impact on the 2019 election result. Now it allows it's publication shortly before the summer recess in the hope it will be in the long grass again by the Autumn.

My argument for years has been that Russian interference in such a close referendum result in 2016 could well have been sufficient to tip the balance. Now we know that the reason the Government hasn't seen any interference is not that there wasn't any. It was because they weren't looking.

Brexit ought, of course, be cancelled. It's what anyone with a scrap of integrity would argue for, whatever their personal opinion on it's merits. That it won't be, tells us all we need to know about the integrity of those pulling the strings of the current government.

Whether public opinion on this will be strong enough to ensure action is an open question. Brexit weariness is a reality. Not though with me. This report is a turning point on the long road to see this stupidity reversed and, indeed, in the need to see our democratic system overhauled and modernised to ensure it becomes truly representative.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

steeleye20 Croydon 21 Jul 20 2.21pm
Would disagree I don't think the EU would cancel brexit. This is the first big event without the UK road-block on European progress. Whether it is right, I don't know, suspicious of enormous financial packages in general. But the countries who have suffered most, Italy and Spain, will be the recipients of the largest financial support, not France and Germany. That's pretty cool of all those members to agree that.

steeleye20

Croydon 21 Jul 20 2.21pm

Would disagree I don't think the EU would cancel brexit.

This is the first big event without the UK road-block on European progress.

Whether it is right, I don't know, suspicious of enormous financial packages in general.

But the countries who have suffered most, Italy and Spain, will be the recipients of the largest financial support, not France and Germany.

That's pretty cool of all those members to agree that.

Hrolf The Ganger 21 Jul 20 3.07pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle What a surprise! Having spent weeks away from here I come back to see what the Brexiteers are saying about the most damning report I can ever remember on Government incompetence and what do I find? Almost nothing. As pointed out at the time this Government deliberately held back publishing this report as it feared it's impact on the 2019 election result. Now it allows it's publication shortly before the summer recess in the hope it will be in the long grass again by the Autumn. My argument for years has been that Russian interference in such a close referendum result in 2016 could well have been sufficient to tip the balance. Now we know that the reason the Government hasn't seen any interference is not that there wasn't any. It was because they weren't looking. Brexit ought, of course, be cancelled. It's what anyone with a scrap of integrity would argue for, whatever their personal opinion on it's merits. That it won't be, tells us all we need to know about the integrity of those pulling the strings of the current government. Whether public opinion on this will be strong enough to ensure action is an open question. Brexit weariness is a reality. Not though with me. This report is a turning point on the long road to see this stupidity reversed and, indeed, in the need to see our democratic system overhauled and modernised to ensure it becomes truly representative. How utterly contemptible. God help this country if it is ever run by men like you.

Hrolf The Ganger

21 Jul 20 3.07pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Brexit ought, of course, be cancelled. It's what anyone with a scrap of integrity would argue for, whatever their personal opinion on it's merits. That it won't be, tells us all we need to know about the integrity of those pulling the strings of the current government.

How utterly contemptible.

God help this country if it is ever run by men like you.

Cpfc1861 21 Jul 20 3.08pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle What a surprise! Having spent weeks away from here I come back to see what the Brexiteers are saying about the most damning report I can ever remember on Government incompetence and what do I find? Almost nothing. As pointed out at the time this Government deliberately held back publishing this report as it feared it's impact on the 2019 election result. Now it allows it's publication shortly before the summer recess in the hope it will be in the long grass again by the Autumn. My argument for years has been that Russian interference in such a close referendum result in 2016 could well have been sufficient to tip the balance. Now we know that the reason the Government hasn't seen any interference is not that there wasn't any. It was because they weren't looking. Brexit ought, of course, be cancelled. It's what anyone with a scrap of integrity would argue for, whatever their personal opinion on it's merits. That it won't be, tells us all we need to know about the integrity of those pulling the strings of the current government. Whether public opinion on this will be strong enough to ensure action is an open question. Brexit weariness is a reality. Not though with me. This report is a turning point on the long road to see this stupidity reversed and, indeed, in the need to see our democratic system overhauled and modernised to ensure it becomes truly representative. Wisbech is back with his moral compass.

Cpfc1861

21 Jul 20 3.08pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Wisbech is back with his moral compass.

Badger11 Beckenham 21 Jul 20 3.27pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle What a surprise! Having spent weeks away from here I come back to see what the Brexiteers are saying about the most damning report I can ever remember on Government incompetence and what do I find? Almost nothing. As pointed out at the time this Government deliberately held back publishing this report as it feared it's impact on the 2019 election result. Now it allows it's publication shortly before the summer recess in the hope it will be in the long grass again by the Autumn. My argument for years has been that Russian interference in such a close referendum result in 2016 could well have been sufficient to tip the balance. Now we know that the reason the Government hasn't seen any interference is not that there wasn't any. It was because they weren't looking. Brexit ought, of course, be cancelled. It's what anyone with a scrap of integrity would argue for, whatever their personal opinion on it's merits. That it won't be, tells us all we need to know about the integrity of those pulling the strings of the current government. Whether public opinion on this will be strong enough to ensure action is an open question. Brexit weariness is a reality. Not though with me. This report is a turning point on the long road to see this stupidity reversed and, indeed, in the need to see our democratic system overhauled and modernised to ensure it becomes truly representative. Except that: - In 2016 we had a Pro remain government who urged the country to vote no. - The report is not a smoking gun I don't know why Boris did not publish it at the time I doubt it would have made any difference. Successive governments back to Tony Blair (Litvinenko poisoning) and before that have been soft on Russian interference this report is yet another example of that. - The report does not say that the Russian interference in 2016 was a game changer. In fact what is says is that nobody could be bothered to inquire if the Russian have interfered and by how much. So no Brexit should not be cancelled and no one apart from you is saying it should be. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 21 Jul 20 3.27pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Except that:

- In 2016 we had a Pro remain government who urged the country to vote no.

- The report is not a smoking gun I don't know why Boris did not publish it at the time I doubt it would have made any difference. Successive governments back to Tony Blair (Litvinenko poisoning) and before that have been soft on Russian interference this report is yet another example of that.

- The report does not say that the Russian interference in 2016 was a game changer. In fact what is says is that nobody could be bothered to inquire if the Russian have interfered and by how much.

So no Brexit should not be cancelled and no one apart from you is saying it should be.

One more point

Matov 21 Jul 20 7.03pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 This is the first big event without the UK road-block on European progress. It is but the details about this 'tax' seem a little vague (and would love to be put right on this if you have any links), with rather odd claims about a potential plastics tax or similar. My admittedly biased view is that this is just a smoke screen/bulls*** EU stunt to cover up what will effectively be another bail out of banks BUT I also am happy to be educated on that matter because if it is truly an EU legislated and controlled form of taxation over the 27 states then it is of genuine significance. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

21 Jul 20 7.03pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

This is the first big event without the UK road-block on European progress.

It is but the details about this 'tax' seem a little vague (and would love to be put right on this if you have any links), with rather odd claims about a potential plastics tax or similar.

My admittedly biased view is that this is just a smoke screen/bulls*** EU stunt to cover up what will effectively be another bail out of banks BUT I also am happy to be educated on that matter because if it is truly an EU legislated and controlled form of taxation over the 27 states then it is of genuine significance.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

davenotamonkey 21 Jul 20 7.06pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle What a surprise! Having spent weeks away from here I come back to see what the Brexiteers are saying about the most damning report I can ever remember on Government incompetence and what do I find? Almost nothing. As pointed out at the time this Government deliberately held back publishing this report as it feared it's impact on the 2019 election result. Now it allows it's publication shortly before the summer recess in the hope it will be in the long grass again by the Autumn. My argument for years has been that Russian interference in such a close referendum result in 2016 could well have been sufficient to tip the balance. Now we know that the reason the Government hasn't seen any interference is not that there wasn't any. It was because they weren't looking. Brexit ought, of course, be cancelled. It's what anyone with a scrap of integrity would argue for, whatever their personal opinion on it's merits. That it won't be, tells us all we need to know about the integrity of those pulling the strings of the current government. Whether public opinion on this will be strong enough to ensure action is an open question. Brexit weariness is a reality. Not though with me. This report is a turning point on the long road to see this stupidity reversed and, indeed, in the need to see our democratic system overhauled and modernised to ensure it becomes truly representative. It would appear you've spent more than a few weeks away. Brexit happened on the 31st January of this year. You cannot "cancel" something that has already occured. But yes, yes. Reds under the bed and all that. I bet you're swallowing everything ole Carole Consipracy Theorist is vomiting out on Twitter, aren't you? Have you donated to her legal campaign? She'll need every penny once your lot lose in court AGAIN for once again making claims with no evidence.... ..and yes, incidentally: if you make the claims, it's on you to provide the evidence. So, when Carole gets her day in court, with all this compelling Russian evidence, I'm sure you'll be fully vindicated, right? "Cancel Brexit". God almighty, the whimperings of a long-dead argument. Broken record.

davenotamonkey

21 Jul 20 7.06pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What a surprise! Having spent weeks away from here I come back to see what the Brexiteers are saying about the most damning report I can ever remember on Government incompetence and what do I find? Almost nothing. As pointed out at the time this Government deliberately held back publishing this report as it feared it's impact on the 2019 election result. Now it allows it's publication shortly before the summer recess in the hope it will be in the long grass again by the Autumn.

Brexit ought, of course, be cancelled. It's what anyone with a scrap of integrity would argue for, whatever their personal opinion on it's merits. That it won't be, tells us all we need to know about the integrity of those pulling the strings of the current government.

It would appear you've spent more than a few weeks away. Brexit happened on the 31st January of this year. You cannot "cancel" something that has already occured.

But yes, yes. Reds under the bed and all that. I bet you're swallowing everything ole Carole Consipracy Theorist is vomiting out on Twitter, aren't you? Have you donated to her legal campaign? She'll need every penny once your lot lose in court AGAIN for once again making claims with no evidence....

..and yes, incidentally: if you make the claims, it's on you to provide the evidence. So, when Carole gets her day in court, with all this compelling Russian evidence, I'm sure you'll be fully vindicated, right?

"Cancel Brexit". God almighty, the whimperings of a long-dead argument.

Broken record.

davenotamonkey 21 Jul 20 7.08pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger How utterly contemptible. God help this country if it is ever run by men like you. Didn't they all run away? Why didn't Grieve and co. stick around to fight the General Election?

davenotamonkey

21 Jul 20 7.08pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

How utterly contemptible.

God help this country if it is ever run by men like you.

Didn't they all run away? Why didn't Grieve and co. stick around to fight the General Election?

Badger11 Beckenham 21 Jul 20 7.14pm
Originally posted by Matov It is but the details about this 'tax' seem a little vague (and would love to be put right on this if you have any links), with rather odd claims about a potential plastics tax or similar. My admittedly biased view is that this is just a smoke screen/bulls*** EU stunt to cover up what will effectively be another bail out of banks BUT I also am happy to be educated on that matter because if it is truly an EU legislated and controlled form of taxation over the 27 states then it is of genuine significance. It's a rumour but the EU hierarchy are keen on it not sure that the individual states are but maybe this was the price of the bailout. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 21 Jul 20 7.14pm

Originally posted by Matov

It is but the details about this 'tax' seem a little vague (and would love to be put right on this if you have any links), with rather odd claims about a potential plastics tax or similar.

It's a rumour but the EU hierarchy are keen on it not sure that the individual states are but maybe this was the price of the bailout.

One more point

Matov 21 Jul 20 7.54pm
Originally posted by Badger11 It's a rumour but the EU hierarchy are keen on it not sure that the individual states are but maybe this was the price of the bailout. The EU are desperate to get some kind of tax raising/collection powers so no surprise on that but Germany, Holland and the Scandis being willing to hand over such matters,even on a limited scale? Not so sure. How would it work in terms of nations that have retained their own currency? Fixed as a percentage or an amount? But I am all ears on this because it is definitely being touted around. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

21 Jul 20 7.54pm

Originally posted by Badger11

It's a rumour but the EU hierarchy are keen on it not sure that the individual states are but maybe this was the price of the bailout.

The EU are desperate to get some kind of tax raising/collection powers so no surprise on that but Germany, Holland and the Scandis being willing to hand over such matters,even on a limited scale? Not so sure. How would it work in terms of nations that have retained their own currency? Fixed as a percentage or an amount? But I am all ears on this because it is definitely being touted around.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

steeleye20 Croydon 21 Jul 20 8.06pm
If you only need the odd 500 billion euros or so, and not 750 billions, you are one of the 'frugals'.

steeleye20

Croydon 21 Jul 20 8.06pm

If you only need the odd 500 billion euros or so, and not 750 billions, you are one of the 'frugals'.

steeleye20 Croydon 21 Jul 20 8.26pm
As part of its initial budget proposal in 2018, the European Commission proposed a levy on non-recycled plastic, with the proceeds going directly into the common budget rather than to governments that collect them. The surcharge is estimated to raise €42bn over the course of the budget which will run until 2027. This is to plug the 'brexit gap' and I think this is actually happening in 2021, if a tax can be popular this is one. The Thames is in a sorry state of plastics pollution.

steeleye20

Croydon 21 Jul 20 8.26pm

As part of its initial budget proposal in 2018, the European Commission proposed a levy on non-recycled plastic, with the proceeds going directly into the common budget rather than to governments that collect them. The surcharge is estimated to raise €42bn over the course of the budget which will run until 2027.

This is to plug the 'brexit gap' and I think this is actually happening in 2021, if a tax can be popular this is one.

The Thames is in a sorry state of plastics pollution.

Matov 21 Jul 20 8.28pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 If you only need the odd 500 billion euros or so, and not 750 billions, you are one of the 'frugals'. The numbers being touted are utterly insane. And on a macro level, the only way out of it all is inflation. Impossible to pay it all back. And high inflation against the current political chaos does not bode well. No matter what your political inclination, nobody should be looking at these numbers and not have serious concerns about the way of this hole. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

21 Jul 20 8.28pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

If you only need the odd 500 billion euros or so, and not 750 billions, you are one of the 'frugals'.

The numbers being touted are utterly insane. And on a macro level, the only way out of it all is inflation. Impossible to pay it all back.

And high inflation against the current political chaos does not bode well.

No matter what your political inclination, nobody should be looking at these numbers and not have serious concerns about the way of this hole.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Spiderman Horsham 21 Jul 20 9.18pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle What a surprise! Having spent weeks away from here I come back to see what the Brexiteers are saying about the most damning report I can ever remember on Government incompetence and what do I find? Almost nothing. As pointed out at the time this Government deliberately held back publishing this report as it feared it's impact on the 2019 election result. Now it allows it's publication shortly before the summer recess in the hope it will be in the long grass again by the Autumn. My argument for years has been that Russian interference in such a close referendum result in 2016 could well have been sufficient to tip the balance. Now we know that the reason the Government hasn't seen any interference is not that there wasn't any. It was because they weren't looking. Brexit ought, of course, be cancelled. It's what anyone with a scrap of integrity would argue for, whatever their personal opinion on it's merits. That it won't be, tells us all we need to know about the integrity of those pulling the strings of the current government. Whether public opinion on this will be strong enough to ensure action is an open question. Brexit weariness is a reality. Not though with me. This report is a turning point on the long road to see this stupidity reversed and, indeed, in the need to see our democratic system overhauled and modernised to ensure it becomes truly representative. So do you think the report on grooming gangs should be published in full? Brexit should be cancelled! Give it a rest, it’s going ahead whether you like it or not

Spiderman

Horsham 21 Jul 20 9.18pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So do you think the report on grooming gangs should be published in full?
Brexit should be cancelled! Give it a rest, it’s going ahead whether you like it or not

Matov 21 Jul 20 9.21pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 As part of its initial budget proposal in 2018, the European Commission proposed a levy on non-recycled plastic, with the proceeds going directly into the common budget rather than to governments that collect them. The surcharge is estimated to raise €42bn over the course of the budget which will run until 2027. This is to plug the 'brexit gap' and I think this is actually happening in 2021, if a tax can be popular this is one. The Thames is in a sorry state of plastics pollution. Few taxes as 'popular', and I would guess this is a pretty regressive tax given that the use of unrecylable plastic is probably (and I accept that this is a stab in the dark) features more in low end products. But if it this proposal firms up then a big step for the EU. But are nation states really willing to give up this sum of money? I guess time will see. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

21 Jul 20 9.21pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

This is to plug the 'brexit gap' and I think this is actually happening in 2021, if a tax can be popular this is one.

The Thames is in a sorry state of plastics pollution.

Few taxes as 'popular', and I would guess this is a pretty regressive tax given that the use of unrecylable plastic is probably (and I accept that this is a stab in the dark) features more in low end products.

But if it this proposal firms up then a big step for the EU. But are nation states really willing to give up this sum of money? I guess time will see.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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