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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Well there's another non surprise! The responses to my post are precisely as I anticipated. I could have written them myself! It just demonstrates the complete lack of understanding and integrity in the group of hardline "Brexit at all costs" who hang around here. Yes, we have left, so it cannot be "cancelled" but with the 2016 referendum result now demonstrably compromised any responsible government would ensure that it be reversed. The fact is that Mrs May had been given a report by GCHQ which suggested that the referendum result could not be trusted and recommended re-running it. She bottled it and decided the political consequences were too high. Look at where that has ended up? A government led by Johnson, controlled by Cummings, and headed towards a no deal final exit. You may think the ship has sailed but it's not over the horizon and it's back in the sights. With the opposition now led by a sensible politician who gives the appearance of trustworthiness a few years in the wilderness means nothing. I am telling you! We will be back and today marks the day when the turning point was reached. Starmer is opposed to extending the transition period. Events could very well make us want to re-join but it would be a tortuous process and in my view not good for europe.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Starmer is opposed to extending the transition period. Events could very well make us want to re-join but it would be a tortuous process and in my view not good for europe.
I almost feel sorry for people who just can't accept Brexit. They need to take a good look at themselves and ask if it really says more about their mental state than anything to do with leaving the EU.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Well there's another non surprise! The responses to my post are precisely as I anticipated. I could have written them myself! It just demonstrates the complete lack of understanding and integrity in the group of hardline "Brexit at all costs" who hang around here. Yes, we have left, so it cannot be "cancelled" but with the 2016 referendum result now demonstrably compromised any responsible government would ensure that it be reversed. The fact is that Mrs May had been given a report by GCHQ which suggested that the referendum result could not be trusted and recommended re-running it. She bottled it and decided the political consequences were too high. Look at where that has ended up? A government led by Johnson, controlled by Cummings, and headed towards a no deal final exit. You may think the ship has sailed but it's not over the horizon and it's back in the sights. With the opposition now led by a sensible politician who gives the appearance of trustworthiness a few years in the wilderness means nothing. I am telling you! We will be back and today marks the day when the turning point was reached. Haha how deluded you really are. I nearly feel sorry for you but not quite. Probably best that you move from under the bridge to on top of it with a “keep out of Cornwall” banner
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Well there's another non surprise! The responses to my post are precisely as I anticipated. I could have written them myself! It just demonstrates the complete lack of understanding and integrity in the group of hardline "Brexit at all costs" who hang around here. Yes, we have left, so it cannot be "cancelled" but with the 2016 referendum result now demonstrably compromised any responsible government would ensure that it be reversed. The fact is that Mrs May had been given a report by GCHQ which suggested that the referendum result could not be trusted and recommended re-running it. She bottled it and decided the political consequences were too high. Look at where that has ended up? A government led by Johnson, controlled by Cummings, and headed towards a no deal final exit. You may think the ship has sailed but it's not over the horizon and it's back in the sights. With the opposition now led by a sensible politician who gives the appearance of trustworthiness a few years in the wilderness means nothing. I am telling you! We will be back and today marks the day when the turning point was reached. I notice you ignored my question
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Well there's another non surprise! The responses to my post are precisely as I anticipated. I could have written them myself! It just demonstrates the complete lack of understanding and integrity in the group of hardline "Brexit at all costs" who hang around here. Yes, we have left, so it cannot be "cancelled" but with the 2016 referendum result now demonstrably compromised any responsible government would ensure that it be reversed. The fact is that Mrs May had been given a report by GCHQ which suggested that the referendum result could not be trusted and recommended re-running it. She bottled it and decided the political consequences were too high. Look at where that has ended up? A government led by Johnson, controlled by Cummings, and headed towards a no deal final exit. You may think the ship has sailed but it's not over the horizon and it's back in the sights. With the opposition now led by a sensible politician who gives the appearance of trustworthiness a few years in the wilderness means nothing. I am telling you! We will be back and today marks the day when the turning point was reached.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Well there's another non surprise! The responses to my post are precisely as I anticipated. I could have written them myself! It just demonstrates the complete lack of understanding and integrity in the group of hardline "Brexit at all costs" who hang around here. Yes, we have left, so it cannot be "cancelled" but with the 2016 referendum result now demonstrably compromised any responsible government would ensure that it be reversed. The fact is that Mrs May had been given a report by GCHQ which suggested that the referendum result could not be trusted and recommended re-running it. She bottled it and decided the political consequences were too high. Look at where that has ended up? A government led by Johnson, controlled by Cummings, and headed towards a no deal final exit. You may think the ship has sailed but it's not over the horizon and it's back in the sights. With the opposition now led by a sensible politician who gives the appearance of trustworthiness a few years in the wilderness means nothing. I am telling you! We will be back and today marks the day when the turning point was reached. I declare that henceforth July 21st will be known as Wisbech Eagle Day. After the referendum is cancelled and we re-join the EU those of us who who refused to believe will have to mark this day annually by bowing our heads in shame. I understand that the fightback has already started in Truro where the local Remain branch will start holding weekly meetings in the local phone box.
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
So the Commission now has powers to levy taxes. Little by little that frog gets boiled. Don't let it be said these federalist supranationalists never let a disaster get in the way of "more EUrope". The more the tighten their grip, the more democracy slips through their fingers. Exactly. There was a good article in the Guardian about what went wrong in the EU over the virus response, up to a point it all made sense e.g. national self interest and not giving a damn about their neighbours plight. It then went off the rails with the conclusion that the solution was for the Commission to take more power away from the national governments. They never miss a trick.
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Originally posted by Badger11
Exactly. There was a good article in the Guardian about what went wrong in the EU over the virus response, up to a point it all made sense e.g. national self interest and not giving a damn about their neighbours plight. It then went off the rails with the conclusion that the solution was for the Commission to take more power away from the national governments. They never miss a trick.
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
So the Commission now has powers to levy taxes. Except does it? I see a lot of hot air around this but it appears at the moment only to be a proposal and more about them taking over an existing tax than levying a new one. But as always, keen to be educated.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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Originally posted by Matov
Except does it? I see a lot of hot air around this but it appears at the moment only to be a proposal and more about them taking over an existing tax than levying a new one. But as always, keen to be educated. Taking over an existing system would enable them to change certain procedures though I would think.
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Originally posted by cryrst
Taking over an existing system would enable them to change certain procedures though I would think. I bet they are not. I am going to stick my head out here and say this proposal will fall part. It is mere window dressing to divert attention away from what this supposed fund is all about i.e propping up French and German banks. However, I am always willing to scoff humble pie if proven wrong.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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Originally posted by Matov
I bet they are not. I am going to stick my head out here and say this proposal will fall part. It is mere window dressing to divert attention away from what this supposed fund is all about i.e propping up French and German banks. However, I am always willing to scoff humble pie if proven wrong. I am sure some on here will say you have missed the point or do not understand
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I am sure some on here will say you have missed the point or do not understand
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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Admit it, you miss the EU.
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Originally posted by Matov
It fascinates me. And I always said that if it truly offered a Pan-European future then I was open to persuasion. But it has not. It is rotten to the core. I accept that I have far to much interest in the daily machinations of real politik and that the EU throws up so many interesting questions and contradictions but the UK is so far well out of it. Just the utter stupidity of the Euro is proof for me that many of the leading lights of the European 'ideal' are beyond comprehension. And it has condemend millions of Europeans to poverty, reducing countries to effective vasel states. The biggest peace time disaster ever imposed on Europe. Give me a genuine Pan-European ideal, with a glorious vision of the worlds greatest continent acting as one from the western most beachs of Ireland to the very edges of the Russian borders (and why should Russia not be included?) and I am all ears. But what we have in Brussels is ludicrous. Just the farce of how it ups sticks and moves to Strasbourg for a few days every month is the only proof you need. I agree it is the politics of the EU that has so offended me. I am not against a free trade block as soon as they started the move to a political state it became a problem. Democracy was the last thing on their mind. The other big fault with the EU is that it is a one size fits all solution. I would have gone with 2 or 3 1. Inner group economically sound pooling their sovereignty and fiscal resources (euro) e.g. France and Germany. This is the EU superstate. 2. Free Trade group economically sound but unwilling to be part of EU superstate but cherry picking EU legislation they they agree with. This would be the UK and perhaps Holland. 3. Outer group of countries whose economies are not yet fully developed they have access to the free market and CAP but not the euro so they cannot economically destabilise group 1. Once they have sorted their lives out they can move to group 1 or 2.
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