I havent looked at this thread yet, and didnt actually vote despite being able to from the States.

I find it interesting the people say "leave means leave" and "just get on with it" when in reality in 2016 people voted for a concept, not an implementable plan.

Its kind of like voting to have dinner or not. 20 people vote to have dinner. But one is allergic to fish, one is gluten intolerant, one hates pasta, the other is vegan. When the dish of Osso Bucco over cheesy polenta comes out, it causes an issue. They all voted to have dinner, but there was zero consensus on what should be on the menu.

What to do then?

Have another vote, this time on the specific menu options.

No one was talking about Northern Ireland in 2016. This is now the single most divisive issue for many people. The point is there were many, many unknowns in 2016. There were also a lot of lies on both sides, but many, many lies on the leave side about the "next morning trade deal" from David Davis or the 350 million quid NHS bus.

if 100% is knowing completely and utterly what this or that type of brexit causes, vs a no deal, etc, then in 2016 you could make the case that we were only at 15% of an understanding.

There are still unknowns but you could now say its more like 75%.

Given that extra 50% of knowledge, about jobs, immigration, business, the future prosperity of the economy in general, the backstop etc etc, I find it hard to argue against those calling for a second referendum. If MPs are allowed to vote 3 or 4 times on the same deal, you cannot state that the public are not allowed a second say in matters, now that the extra 50% of knowledge is actually available.

That will be an expensive minicab home.

Still they will fit in one quite easily.........

How is the on-line petition going? Apparently 4 million now.... same number that have signed petition for no-deal. Still think these are a good idea?

Eh?

No-deal petition achieving 4m? Got a link? I found one with 477,733.

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Seems a little shy of the 4,366,791 of the current petition.

London was heaving today. I was a bit miffed that the speakers I heard were all banging on about socialism. I am sure there were plenty of tories, liberals and greens there today. A hell of a turnout, if the last one was 700,000 then this is miles more than a million.

The last one wasn't 700k.

The figure keeps rising. It was 100k tops.

By the way, what is your estimate on the March To Leave?