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  Hrolf The Ganger  28 May 17 9.31pm |
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Alright, the headline doesn't really cover all he said but it made me facepalm.
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| Stirlingsays 28 May 17 10.39pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
I passed my 11+ many years ago and seem to remember it as being quite easy. A lot of IQ test type questions - what is next in the sequence type of thing. An essay to write. Not things that you get much better at with tutoring. Bright kids passed it, not so bright kids did not. You could guess who in the class were going to pass, regardless of their background, not that we had any kids in the class from any sort of privileged background. Edited by hedgehog50 (28 May 2017 9.40pm) You can't get better at essay writing with tutoring? Maybe if you are as dim as fcuk Hedge but otherwise of course you can....You should read Vintage Stuff by Tom Sharpe...He even takes the piss out of the practice of getting the less able over the line.....And he use to do it for a living. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 May 2017 10.46pm)
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| Stirlingsays 28 May 17 10.41pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
But my kids had no tutoring Einstein. Are you saying you didn't pay for tutoring? Bully for you Hrolf but as the number of home tutoring jobs shows....plenty do. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 May 2017 10.43pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 28 May 17 10.48pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Once again just stereotyping. I went to a dreadful comprehensive and my wife a slightly less dreadful comprehensive and there were no tutors to be seen. My daughter got in to her grammar on merit and my son got in on appeal after failing his 11+ by a couple of marks. They both did some practice papers and that is it. You may have noticed I was talking about Croydon and Sutton. Which Sutton school did they end up in?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 May 17 11.21am |
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 29 May 17 11.36am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
[Link] Better than Red or Green.
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 May 17 11.57am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
You may have noticed I was talking about Croydon and Sutton. Which Sutton school did they end up in? So just grammar schools in Sutton and Croydon are a bad idea? Right.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 May 17 12.10pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Are you saying you didn't pay for tutoring? Bully for you Hrolf but as the number of home tutoring jobs shows....plenty do. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 May 2017 10.43pm) I'm illustrating that it is not necessary or a certainty. In any case, the 11+ is altered every few years to stop tutoring being so effective. Realistically, it's pointless to be better educated in terms of job prospects because only so many jobs exist which require A levels, a degree etc. There has to be a large proportion of people to do blue collar,unskilled etc.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 May 17 7.08pm |
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[Tweet Link]
He he he She said Turd
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 29 May 17 7.13pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
[Link] Bit of rather old news Nick don't you think??? Dated Thursday 22 September 2016 15.54 BST on your link.
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| Stirlingsays 29 May 17 7.22pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I'm illustrating that it is not necessary or a certainty. In any case, the 11+ is altered every few years to stop tutoring being so effective. Realistically, it's pointless to be better educated in terms of job prospects because only so many jobs exist which require A levels, a degree etc. There has to be a large proportion of people to do blue collar,unskilled etc. It's an industry, the fact that you downplay it makes no difference to the fact that it's an imperfect and unjust system. Just as long as your family are sorted out eh. As for the rest of your comments you appear to be advocating for ignorance. You appear completely unaware that most unskilled jobs are disappearing over the next few decades. A skilled workforce in the right industries is precisely what we need. This idea that we should let the chavs rot is poor future policy for the country. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 May 2017 7.26pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 May 17 7.56pm |
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Originally posted by susmik
Bit of rather old news Nick don't you think??? Dated Thursday 22 September 2016 15.54 BST on your link. Still funny though, in a puerile way.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 May 17 8.32pm |
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No hiding tonight, Mrs May.
COYP |
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 May 17 9.41pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It's an industry, the fact that you downplay it makes no difference to the fact that it's an imperfect and unjust system. Just as long as your family are sorted out eh. As for the rest of your comments you appear to be advocating for ignorance. You appear completely unaware that most unskilled jobs are disappearing over the next few decades. A skilled workforce in the right industries is precisely what we need. This idea that we should let the chavs rot is poor future policy for the country. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 May 2017 7.26pm) Nope. Just realism. I'm all for knowledge for the sake of it as long as we understand it to be so. If everyone is highly qualified then they will have hight expectations, which means they will not want to do the less popular and less well paid work. Only in a utopian society will everyone have a job they like and get well paid while robots do all the dirty work. Is that likely any time soon?
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| Mapletree Croydon 29 May 17 9.50pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I'm illustrating that it is not necessary or a certainty. In any case, the 11+ is altered every few years to stop tutoring being so effective. Realistically, it's pointless to be better educated in terms of job prospects because only so many jobs exist which require A levels, a degree etc. There has to be a large proportion of people to do blue collar,unskilled etc. Where do I start? In some parts of the country Grammar schools may not be as divisive as in Croydon/Sutton. That is why I was focusing on what I know, the local area. If you live in Northern Ireland it appears to be relatively easier to get into a Grammar school. Still, if you miss the cut you are knackered from there one. And someone has to do the blue collar work? Which century do you think this is? The blue collar jobs that remain in the UK are becoming relatively far more poorly paid than white and pink collar jobs. You fall off the greasy pole at whatever point you never get back on. So you are relegating people to a second class existence before they are even in their teens. And no, 'only so many jobs exist that need education' is not a sensible argument. Try telling that to people in Singapore or Hong Kong. Education creates jobs, educated people invent jobs. And finally, tutoring is of course very effective. That is why it's a massive industry. I have no idea where you live but it is definitely not anywhere hereabouts.
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Cucking Funt croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 30 May 17 4.11am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Where do I start? In some parts of the country Grammar schools may not be as divisive as in Croydon/Sutton. That is why I was focusing on what I know, the local area. If you live in Northern Ireland it appears to be relatively easier to get into a Grammar school. Still, if you miss the cut you are knackered from there one. And someone has to do the blue collar work? Which century do you think this is? The blue collar jobs that remain in the UK are becoming relatively far more poorly paid than white and pink collar jobs. You fall off the greasy pole at whatever point you never get back on. So you are relegating people to a second class existence before they are even in their teens. And no, 'only so many jobs exist that need education' is not a sensible argument. Try telling that to people in Singapore or Hong Kong. Education creates jobs, educated people invent jobs. And finally, tutoring is of course very effective. That is why it's a massive industry. I have no idea where you live but it is definitely not anywhere hereabouts.
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