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corkery Flag Cork City 12 Dec 20 10.08pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

UK government 'has underestimated takeup for Hong Kong resettlement scheme' - [Link]

"Survey finds more than 600,000 may want to move to Britain, many within two years of January start date"

Not Brexit specific, though immigration was a driving force behind that of course so this holds some relevance.

Given their levels of education, I suspect most will end up in the big cities, not in places like Northern Scotland or Northern Ireland.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 13 Dec 20 7.56am

Originally posted by corkery

Given their levels of education, I suspect most will end up in the big cities, not in places like Northern Scotland or Northern Ireland.

You likely make a good point. Another considerable influx of people mind you. Further implications for housing, the NHS and so on. Though I do take into account that they are well educated and that there is a rationale to us extending a hand.

 

kevlee Flag born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 13 Dec 20 9.14am

Originally posted by BlueJay

You likely make a good point. Another considerable influx of people mind you. Further implications for housing, the NHS and so on. Though I do take into account that they are well educated and that there is a rationale to us extending a hand.

Immigration policy has been spelt out. It will be based on education and skills. Therefore higher levels of educated families from Asia and far east and ex commonwealth (like Hong Kong) no instant access from EU, educated or not.
Jobs now done by EU workers with free access (care workers, coffee shops,hotels, nurses in NHS, farm labourers etc) all available for UK citizens, should they wish to apply for them. The only problem will be if they don't want to do those jobs. Begs the question whether those unemployed should be forced to do them as there shouldn't be any excuse for anyone not in work.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 13 Dec 20 9.35am

Originally posted by kevlee

Immigration policy has been spelt out. It will be based on education and skills. Therefore higher levels of educated families from Asia and far east and ex commonwealth (like Hong Kong) no instant access from EU, educated or not.
Jobs now done by EU workers with free access (care workers, coffee shops,hotels, nurses in NHS, farm labourers etc) all available for UK citizens, should they wish to apply for them. The only problem will be if they don't want to do those jobs. Begs the question whether those unemployed should be forced to do them as there shouldn't be any excuse for anyone not in work.

Before lockdown, in fact since he left Uni in 2018, my son applied for numerous jobs in different sectors. Those that bothered to reply wanted “experience”. He obtained a zero contract at Thorpe Park but lost this due to lockdown. He couldn’t even get a job on a farm!
Now got an unpaid job working as a scout for semi-pro football club from Iceland. He loves it but no income unfortunately

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 13 Dec 20 9.39am

57 trade deals signed so far.

[Link]


Meanwhile the SNP is saying it will refuse the navy access to Scottish waters if they try and prevent EU fishing vessels entering. It's nonsense of course because these are UK waters and the Scottish government doesn't have the power still it says a lot about the SNP that they will side with the EU against the Scottish fishing industry.

I doubt the SNP will be getting many votes in that sector if they continue with these threats.

Edited by Badger11 (13 Dec 2020 9.46am)

 


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Matov Flag 13 Dec 20 1.12pm

Noise now about the EU backing down over this divergence stuff now. Might be too late but let's see.

 


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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 13 Dec 20 2.36pm

Originally posted by kevlee

Immigration policy has been spelt out. It will be based on education and skills. Therefore higher levels of educated families from Asia and far east and ex commonwealth (like Hong Kong) no instant access from EU, educated or not.
Jobs now done by EU workers with free access (care workers, coffee shops,hotels, nurses in NHS, farm labourers etc) all available for UK citizens, should they wish to apply for them. The only problem will be if they don't want to do those jobs. Begs the question whether those unemployed should be forced to do them as there shouldn't be any excuse for anyone not in work.

Anyone who can drive has no excuse not to work now, we have a great platform called uber, no reason why you can"t work as many hours as you want, even drop the kiddies off at school mum and get in a few hours till its time to pick them up- so the advert goes! But i do fear it"s a ready made excuse not to pay somebody out on their luck, get a job with uber, and fcuk owwf !

 

Mapletree Flag Croydon 13 Dec 20 4.17pm

Overall, agriculture contributed around £24 billion of revenues and around £8.5 billion of Gross Value Added to the UK economy in 2015.

In contrast the UK's fishing and fish processing industries contribute £1.4 billion to the UK economy.

The UK Music Industry contributes £5.8bn.

GVA (gross value added) of the Creative Industries was £71.4 billion in 2012 and accounted for 5.2 per cent of the UK Economy.

What is it with fishing? Apparently Warhammer on its own accounts for more value than fishing.

Edited by Mapletree (13 Dec 2020 5.47pm)

 

croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 13 Dec 20 6.10pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Before lockdown, in fact since he left Uni in 2018, my son applied for numerous jobs in different sectors. Those that bothered to reply wanted “experience”. He obtained a zero contract at Thorpe Park but lost this due to lockdown. He couldn’t even get a job on a farm!
Now got an unpaid job working as a scout for semi-pro football club from Iceland. He loves it but no income unfortunately


It"s even better for the CONservatives than dom raabs idea of paying people less than the minimum wage spider, why pay as much as £7 an hour if you can get them for less? Don"t let them know, or they will be having everyone working for nothing, maybe even we could pay to go to work next? Needless to say, hopefully your son will prosper out of it, turn in to a top scout and maybe do some insider dealing with steve! I wish him well spider and he is keeping occupied at the end of the day and learning, i hope they at least pay his expenses!

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 13 Dec 20 6.23pm

Originally posted by croydon proud


It"s even better for the CONservatives than dom raabs idea of paying people less than the minimum wage spider, why pay as much as £7 an hour if you can get them for less? Don"t let them know, or they will be having everyone working for nothing, maybe even we could pay to go to work next? Needless to say, hopefully your son will prosper out of it, turn in to a top scout and maybe do some insider dealing with steve! I wish him well spider and he is keeping occupied at the end of the day and learning, i hope they at least pay his expenses!

Thank you. Not sure you qualify for expenses sitting on your settee watching videos but worth a try. When he was applying for jobs, they were interested until they found out he was over 21, so would have to pay him more.
Take care mate and have a good Christmas

 

kevlee Flag born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 13 Dec 20 7.55pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Overall, agriculture contributed around £24 billion of revenues and around £8.5 billion of Gross Value Added to the UK economy in 2015.

In contrast the UK's fishing and fish processing industries contribute £1.4 billion to the UK economy.

The UK Music Industry contributes £5.8bn.

GVA (gross value added) of the Creative Industries was £71.4 billion in 2012 and accounted for 5.2 per cent of the UK Economy.

What is it with fishing? Apparently Warhammer on its own accounts for more value than fishing.

Edited by Mapletree (13 Dec 2020 5.47pm)

Fishing quotas stink - just like the fish. And post Brexit they wont change. The government has already said that. It was identified as an easy way of drumming up some nationalism. As you say, in economic terms it is completely insignificant. The people who own the quotas will just license them to EU trawlers. Result - no change.
[Link]

 


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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 13 Dec 20 9.09pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Thank you. Not sure you qualify for expenses sitting on your settee watching videos but worth a try. When he was applying for jobs, they were interested until they found out he was over 21, so would have to pay him more.
Take care mate and have a good Christmas

Its a good thing for him to get in to , even as a part time thing, good luck to him, yes, take care mate.

 

silvertop Flag Portishead 13 Dec 20 9.45pm

Originally posted by kevlee

Immigration policy has been spelt out. It will be based on education and skills. Therefore higher levels of educated families from Asia and far east and ex commonwealth (like Hong Kong) no instant access from EU, educated or not.
Jobs now done by EU workers with free access (care workers, coffee shops,hotels, nurses in NHS, farm labourers etc) all available for UK citizens, should they wish to apply for them. The only problem will be if they don't want to do those jobs. Begs the question whether those unemployed should be forced to do them as there shouldn't be any excuse for anyone not in work.

Employers will be aghast at being compelled to take on labour selected by the drate6 and not selected through the normal recruitment route.

This is communism.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 14 Dec 20 8.49am

Have we really left yet?

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 14 Dec 20 9.10am

Papers are saying that the EU may be caving in. Being cynical I read that as Boris is throwing in the towel, I hope not.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 14 Dec 20 6.01pm

Brexit is Margaret Thatcher's true legacy.

'I need a scape-goat'.

Ordering her ministers to blame Brussels for her disastrous economic failures.

'Nigel (Lawson) has messed it all up, now he must fix it'.

And what a target Brussels has been.

Totally unprepared to be portrayed as bureaucratic and anti-democratic, they even thought because the UK was a member, we were friends.

Now, it is an impossibility for the British to do anything but blame the EU for all their self-inflicted disasters.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 14 Dec 20 6.17pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Brexit is Margaret Thatcher's true legacy.

'I need a scape-goat'.

Ordering her ministers to blame Brussels for her disastrous economic failures.

'Nigel (Lawson) has messed it all up, now he must fix it'.

And what a target Brussels has been.

Totally unprepared to be portrayed as bureaucratic and anti-democratic, they even thought because the UK was a member, we were friends.

Now, it is an impossibility for the British to do anything but blame the EU for all their self-inflicted disasters.

I partially agree with you. From Jan 1 the government has no one to blame so politicians in this country will need to start taking responsibility for things like immigration amongst many other things.

If they don';t deal with the issues they will be kicked out at the next election and quite rightly.

Taking control means just that the voters saying you've had 5 years and you're not good enough and we don't accept your excuses.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 16 Dec 20 9.10am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Brexit is Margaret Thatcher's true legacy.

'I need a scape-goat'.

Ordering her ministers to blame Brussels for her disastrous economic failures.

'Nigel (Lawson) has messed it all up, now he must fix it'.

And what a target Brussels has been.

Totally unprepared to be portrayed as bureaucratic and anti-democratic, they even thought because the UK was a member, we were friends.

Now, it is an impossibility for the British to do anything but blame the EU for all their self-inflicted disasters.


The Remainers on here really don't know how sad they sound.
Britain has defied the global agenda and will prove that a move toward a globalised world is not an evolution but a choice. There is no natural evolution in man made decisions since the term describes something that is a random process.
Ask dogs if they think that man made 'evolution' worked well for them. They used to be proud wolves and now many of them are rat sized ugly lap warmers.
Something similar would happen to Britain if they slowly surrendered control of power to Brussels.

Sure we will have no one to blame for our mistakes and that is just how I like it. We will become better by learning from them like everyone does.
The biggest mistake we made so far was to join the common market and then open the flood gates of immigration.

 

The Dolphin Flag 16 Dec 20 6.56pm

I am with you on this one Hrolf!
The EU is a busted flush with Germany once again trying to rule Europe at the expense of every member State.
We will be fine on our own long term and we can watch as the EU crumbles leaving decimated Countries in the ashes.
Oh - and Germany will be fine - that was always plan B!

Edited by The Dolphin (16 Dec 2020 6.57pm)

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Dec 20 11.30pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


The Remainers on here really don't know how sad they sound.
Britain has defied the global agenda and will prove that a move toward a globalised world is not an evolution but a choice. There is no natural evolution in man made decisions since the term describes something that is a random process.
Ask dogs if they think that man made 'evolution' worked well for them. They used to be proud wolves and now many of them are rat sized ugly lap warmers.
Something similar would happen to Britain if they slowly surrendered control of power to Brussels.

Sure we will have no one to blame for our mistakes and that is just how I like it. We will become better by learning from them like everyone does.
The biggest mistake we made so far was to join the common market and then open the flood gates of immigration.

If we could build a great big wall all around the UK and never let anyone in, or out, ever again, and become totally self-sufficient in every aspect of life, feeding ourselves and manufacturing all we needed, then your plan might work. We would of course have to commit huge sums to our defence too.

Life would be very hard and really boring. A bit like North Korea without the fun.

There is though a basic problem. The people wouldn't accept it for a moment. The rest of the world exists. We are part of it and if they now think globally we have no choice than to do so too. They are both our customers and our suppliers. Today's world is interdependent. Mess with it and it's you that gets hurt.

 


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