I doubt you are.

We will have minority fishing rights in our own waters....as it seems they are determined to avoid a 'no deal'.

While I'm a strong critic of Johnson, when it comes to this particular fishing negotiation the blame really needs to be pinned onto those who signed up to these ridiculous realities for an island nation in the first place.

They simply didn't fight hard enough for this country.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Thought this was the Brexit thread but for what it's worth I totally agree!
Add to that - Trump took no salary as President - he could have, Biden has been living off the State for nearly 50 years and is a wealthy man because of it.
Add to that - now that he is the President his Son Hunter will likely get away with crimes that may have seen him in prison for life!

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Completely concur, and you're right this is the Brexit thread even if we take the occasional detour!

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Gutted. Any deal with the EU is a bad deal. As simple as that.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Absolutely. And this is all going to be spun on fishing by both sides when the real betrayal will be on the level playing field sell-out. The entire point of Brexit was to give us an advantage, to be able to be free to do what we want as a country. As simple as that.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Can’t wait to see this great deal that Boris the bulls***ter has agreed.
Why am I thinking it will be worse than the existing arrangements? And the worst of both worlds??
But let’s not get hasty in condemnation. His election promise was an oven ready deal.

Following Palace since 25 Feb 1978

Blimey indeed mate, but maybe make it tomorrow!

The devil is in the detail.

The media are reporting that the EU will have a 5 year tailing off period for fishing rights and that after that the UK is free to negotiate what it likes.

If that is true I am fine with that it gives the EU time to look at their own fleet whilst the UK is able to increase it's catch. Unlike the EU I don't believe in punishing the other side.

Anyway the fishing issue is a distraction I am more interested in the level playing field and who gets to decide if we have broken the rules.

The EU wanted the ECJ to be the judge and they would be the only ones able to bring a complaint, a one sided deal.

If we get an independent arbitration process which also allows us to complain if the EU breaks the rules I am fine with that.

And we need the flexibility to be able to set our own rules and laws. There is bound to be some give here by the government I guess it all depends on what they have surrendered.

As for how it will go down.

Remainers: "Told you so it isn't a good a deal as if we stayed"

Brexiteers "Sell out this isn't Brexit"

Uncommitted "Thank god, is it over?"

One more point

Yep

As things stand, MPs will have no basis for voting on a Bill at all, because they will scarcely have had time to have read it, let alone properly to consider it.

The ERG is to re-form its “Star Chamber” to read the Treaty, and they are right to assert that the text should be released as soon as possible.

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