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Cpfc1861 Flag 24 Dec 20 10.08am

Will read it before casting judgment however of we get free trade with the EU whilst regaining control of our boarders courts fishing ect i will support it. Free trade will secure our jobs that the removers were so fearful of losing if we keep that whilst the having the ability to negotiate world wide trade deals the only thing they lose is freedom of movement ect which no brexit voter would have supported. I reckon a lot of remainers will just be disappointed in how little the damage will be in the long term which is sad.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 24 Dec 20 10.15am

If you think fishing was bad wait for the financial sector next year.

brexit paranoia is part of British life, leaving has only made it worse.

 

Matov Flag 24 Dec 20 10.36am

Lets be honest, nobody is going to get everything they want.


For the 'burn it all to the ground and then build it from scratch' mob any agreement is a betrayal. And for the Remonaer bitch-boys, then any case for rejoining would be kicked into the grass for I guess most of our life times.


Personally, I loathe the stench of 'compromise' but also have enough self-awareness to know I can have a screw loose when it comes to this subject.


Its done. We left the EU, and we have a trade agreement of sorts.

But we still have two rotten and corrupt political parties dominating our system, both in thrall to corporate interests and third-parties who do not care a jot for the UK populace.

Nobody wins whilst that is still in place.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Cpfc1861 Flag 24 Dec 20 10.52am

Originally posted by steeleye20

If you think fishing was bad wait for the financial sector next year.

brexit paranoia is part of British life, leaving has only made it worse.

Let's be honest we have consistently been waiting for these prophecies of doom to come to fruition yet they never do.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 24 Dec 20 11.05am

Originally posted by Matov

Lets be honest, nobody is going to get everything they want.


For the 'burn it all to the ground and then build it from scratch' mob any agreement is a betrayal. And for the Remonaer bitch-boys, then any case for rejoining would be kicked into the grass for I guess most of our life times.


Personally, I loathe the stench of 'compromise' but also have enough self-awareness to know I can have a screw loose when it comes to this subject.


Its done. We left the EU, and we have a trade agreement of sorts.

But we still have two rotten and corrupt political parties dominating our system, both in thrall to corporate interests and third-parties who do not care a jot for the UK populace.

Nobody wins whilst that is still in place.

Once Brexit is done the next challenges in no particular order are:

- Abolish The House Of lords
- British Bill of Rights and responsibilities to replace the "Uman" Rights Court.
- Defund the BBC
- Reform Asylum process.
- Define the role and power of the PM
- More transparency in appointing judges and and their performance.
- National Infrastructure board with cross party support.

Plenty to get on with.

 


One more point

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 24 Dec 20 11.09am

Originally posted by Matov

Lets be honest, nobody is going to get everything they want.


For the 'burn it all to the ground and then build it from scratch' mob any agreement is a betrayal. And for the Remonaer bitch-boys, then any case for rejoining would be kicked into the grass for I guess most of our life times.


Personally, I loathe the stench of 'compromise' but also have enough self-awareness to know I can have a screw loose when it comes to this subject.


Its done. We left the EU, and we have a trade agreement of sorts.

But we still have two rotten and corrupt political parties dominating our system, both in thrall to corporate interests and third-parties who do not care a jot for the UK populace.

Nobody wins whilst that is still in place.

There has never been a better time in British politics for a new party to be created. The thing is, it would have to start virtually from scratch because as soon as it got vaguely successful there would be an attempt to scurry across by the same idiots from existing parties that we are trying to get rid of and the cycle would continue.


 

Matov Flag 24 Dec 20 11.16am

Originally posted by Badger11

Once Brexit is done the next challenges in no particular order are:

- Abolish The House Of lords
- British Bill of Rights and responsibilities to replace the "Uman" Rights Court.
- Defund the BBC
- Reform Asylum process.
- Define the role and power of the PM
- More transparency in appointing judges and and their performance.
- National Infrastructure board with cross party support.

Plenty to get on with.

Personally, I think I will help myself to a large slice of defunding the BBC with a side order of more transparency in appointing judges and their performance.

In terms of desert going a little off-menu and am undecided about whether to choose a cheeky little bowl of English Independence or stick with the familiar steamed pudding of defending the Union.

With the contrarian in me even thinking of pushing for a veritable smorgasbord of a non-EU centred campaign for full-on European Federalism, embracing our Slavic Russian cousins, to include a single language, legal system and last of all, given how these things are meant to evolve, a joint currency.

However, I still have a lot to digest and suspect that I might still have to suffer a little Brexit induced indigestion as it might take a while to keep down the current dish of the day and stop the retching, at least in public.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

BlueJay Flag UK 24 Dec 20 11.53am

Originally posted by Matov

Lets be honest, nobody is going to get everything they want.


For the 'burn it all to the ground and then build it from scratch' mob any agreement is a betrayal. And for the Remonaer bitch-boys, then any case for rejoining would be kicked into the grass for I guess most of our life times.


Personally, I loathe the stench of 'compromise' but also have enough self-awareness to know I can have a screw loose when it comes to this subject.


Its done. We left the EU, and we have a trade agreement of sorts.

But we still have two rotten and corrupt political parties dominating our system, both in thrall to corporate interests and third-parties who do not care a jot for the UK populace.

Nobody wins whilst that is still in place.

A balanced take. I'm perhaps being pre-emptively overly negative given that we don't even know the ins and outs of the deal yet. The government haven't exactly given us much reason to believe they're shrewd operators though, at least not when it relates to our interests.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 24 Dec 20 12.14pm

Originally posted by Matov

Lets be honest, nobody is going to get everything they want.


For the 'burn it all to the ground and then build it from scratch' mob any agreement is a betrayal. And for the Remonaer bitch-boys, then any case for rejoining would be kicked into the grass for I guess most of our life times.


Personally, I loathe the stench of 'compromise' but also have enough self-awareness to know I can have a screw loose when it comes to this subject.


Its done. We left the EU, and we have a trade agreement of sorts.

But we still have two rotten and corrupt political parties dominating our system, both in thrall to corporate interests and third-parties who do not care a jot for the UK populace.

Nobody wins whilst that is still in place.

Fair.

Talking of loathing - the constant highlighting of fishing being the be all and end all is infuriating. I get that it’s a political hot potato, probably as it involves discussions around territory and therefore is easy to over simplify as an us and them topic (which the media and simpletons love) - but the actual economic value of it all is almost insignificant. The quota system is a joke and has been easily manipulated, but 0.02% of GDP. Again, 0.02%. I think there are bigger fish to fry, personally.

Farage chirping up about it amuses me - especially when you consider That apparently over the three years that he was a member of the European Parliament Fisheries Committee, he attended just one out of 42 meetings. Dedicated.

 


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Matov Flag 24 Dec 20 12.29pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC


Talking of loathing - the constant highlighting of fishing being the be all and end all is infuriating. I get that it’s a political hot potato, probably as it involves discussions around territory and therefore is easy to over simplify as an us and them topic (which the media and simpletons love) - but the actual economic value of it all is almost insignificant. The quota system is a joke and has been easily manipulated, but 0.02% of GDP. Again, 0.02%. I think there are bigger fish to fry, personally.



The fish question was always primarily symbolic rather than any real economic significance and as a nation, sadly in my opinion because the delights of freshly caught mackerel are terribly underestimated, we don't really 'do' fish in the same way that Europe does.

And long been concerned that the issue is used by all sides to distract from the real meat and gristle of the deal. But time will tell. Lets see.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

becky Flag over the moon 24 Dec 20 12.31pm

Originally posted by Matov


The fish question was always primarily symbolic rather than any real economic significance and as a nation, sadly in my opinion because the delights of freshly caught mackerel are terribly underestimated, we don't really 'do' fish in the same way that Europe does.

And long been concerned that the issue is used by all sides to distract from the real meat and gristle of the deal. But time will tell. Lets see.

Especially when served up with a gooseberry and elder flower chutney

 


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Matov Flag 24 Dec 20 12.49pm

Originally posted by becky

Especially when served up with a gooseberry and elder flower chutney


Sounds delightful.

Personally, I have simpler tastes and ideally will have them grilled on the BBQ or, if not possible, wrapped in foil and baked in the oven before being drizzed with olive oil, seasoned with freshly ground sea-salt and then a cheeky squeeze of fresh lemon.

A little taste of heaven!

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

cryrst Flag The garden of England 24 Dec 20 1.10pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Once Brexit is done the next challenges in no particular order are:

- Abolish The House Of lords
- British Bill of Rights and responsibilities to replace the "Uman" Rights Court.
- Defund the BBC
- Reform Asylum process.
- Define the role and power of the PM
- More transparency in appointing judges and and their performance.
- National Infrastructure board with cross party support.

Plenty to get on with.

The power of the PM. Less or more and has covid planted this thought?

 

croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 24 Dec 20 1.43pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Once Brexit is done the next challenges in no particular order are:

- Abolish The House Of lords
- British Bill of Rights and responsibilities to replace the "Uman" Rights Court.
- Defund the BBC
- Reform Asylum process.
- Define the role and power of the PM
- More transparency in appointing judges and and their performance.
- National Infrastructure board with cross party support.

Plenty to get on with.


Stick doing away with the "honours" system at the top mate, "Sir" Phillip Green might not approve, but "honours" are ten a penny these days, David Bowie had the right idea, David, it2s buckingham palace, if we offer you a knighthood will you recieve it with good grace? No thanks- top man!

 

croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 24 Dec 20 1.45pm

Originally posted by croydon proud


Stick doing away with the "honours" system at the top mate, "Sir" Phillip Green might not approve, but "honours" are ten a penny these days, David Bowie had the right idea, David, it2s buckingham palace, if we offer you a knighthood will you recieve it with good grace? No thanks- top man!

Even receive it- i before e, except after c!

 

mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 24 Dec 20 1.50pm

If they've reached agreement on fishing, what's the catch?

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 24 Dec 20 2.09pm

Originally posted by cryrst

The power of the PM. Less or more and has covid planted this thought?

I am still upset over the Supreme Court decision where they ruled that Boris broke the law even though there was no law to break. The SC should have thrown the case out and told Parliament it should define the PM's roles and responsibilities.

To stop an unelected body hijacking our constitution Parliament should legislate to resolve this issue otherwise it is likely to happen again and yes Boris has been playing fast and loose with Parliament.

 


One more point

croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 24 Dec 20 2.46pm

Deal done, lets see what you got us boris

 

BlueJay Flag UK 24 Dec 20 3.07pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

Deal done, lets see what you got us boris

Yep, it's official [Link]

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 24 Dec 20 3.08pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

Deal done, lets see what you got us boris

Brexiteers should be the scruteneers not remainers.
That's how it is imo.

 

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