Pointless trying to explain it to you Steeleye.
Go and take your meds.

So you were unable to run the questions over sovereignty and Brussels rule-taking again.

How surprising after 4 years of them bring the only things that matter in life.

So you are moving on to 'defunding the BBC'.

Good news, with you doing it, they will be coining it in.

I haven't see the treaty yet. Next week when Parliament meets no doubt there will be some objections let's see what comes out of the ERG review.

One more point

We've left and that is sovereignty as far as I'm concerned.

I"m just looking forward to next week when we are all going to have lots more cash in our pockets- whats not to like? In boris we trust gentlemen, in boris we trust!.......

'Brexit deal is a rubbish gift for a gullible public'

What you have to understand, and I am more than willing to confess that I never really comprehended it until we saw the aftermath from the 2016 referendum, that almost all of these Remoaners actually see themselves as much as Europeans as they do British. And this goes beyond the usual bulls*** where people wear Guiness hats on Saint Paddys day or get married in kilts because they had a Sweaty Great Grandmother.

It is (or rather was) actually a significant part of how they identify themselves. How they separate themselves from the common herd. Now there has always been a tendency amongst sections of our class-ridden system to sneer at their fellow countrymen with the Left especially prone to this (Orwell wrote some fantastic stuff exploring this phenomena) so getting those stupid maroon passports was them a really big deal for them.

Never in a million years did they think the Great Unwashed would actually deny them it and their spite ever since has been quite staggering. Really bitter stuff. Wishing death and destruction of wealth on millions. Actually arguing that since a load of old people had died, then it meant the result from 2016 could now be ignored.

I accept that I am boring about it and perhaps now is the time to try and shake myself free of the utter, visceral, loathing that I feel towards Remoaners, but the disgusting attempt to usurp perhaps the single biggest democratic exercise in British history is one that I hope history looks back on and condemns with absolute clarity.

These people genuinely believe their votes should count for more than other people. The definition of arrogance. With their language and actions ever since for me border into what they like to champion the most for everybody else in terms of hate speech. Many of them literally cheered on the death of people who voted Leave.

Terrible people who should be hanging their heads with utter shame.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

There is no reverse for me. I voted leave to escape the super state which will be an inevitable consequence of centralisation of political power and law making that the EU crave.

The rest is just details.

Well said, I can add that i renewed my passport recently and ditched my gb one for an Irish full access Eu one, I am a citizen of the world and might fancy living somewhere else{within Europe anyway with my Irish passport}.

Therein lies the rub.

Few voted for Brexit on economic terms.

What is 'to prosper' to you is different for others.

Obviously if those who voted for Brexit discover down the line that remaining in the EU would have been better for their worldview then I have little doubt they would admit it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Dec 2020 10.40pm)

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