All that would be believable if politician’s consciousnesses were guided by what is best for the country rather than a desire to gain or stay in power.

We are all going through difficult times but whilst there will always be improvements to be made the fundamental wisdom of the EU project remains untarnished. There are things that are more efficiently done together than alone. It's the principle of subsidiarity which needs to be remembered and kept at the heart of the EU.

The EU will survive these difficult times and emerge stronger because of the fundamentals. We are unlikely to, for exactly the same reason.

If I am wrong then I will be more than happy to admit it. If I am around at the time of course.

Will you though? For people like you just getting out seems the justification for everything. So you could not now ever be wrong. We could end up living in caves and you would claim success because they would be "our" caves.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I have read this kind of vitriol from you many times. I am quite sure that you understand the way British Parliamentary democracy works so why do you get so wound up over a referendum, which has no legal status whatsoever? It's not good for you!

Parliament makes the laws. Not governments or Prime Ministers. No PM can make a firm commitment that a referendum result will be respected. They can only promise to do their best to ensure it is but Parliament will always play the defining role.

Asking Parliament to vote according to their consciences, knowing what they had discovered post the referendum and what they collectively believed to be the best future for us, was all that people like myself argued for.

That Parliament failed to do that was down to the party political system and its conventions together with the personal ambitions of both Johnson and Corbyn. It was this that deserves the condemnation and not those people like myself who were encouraging them to vote according to their known personal convictions. Ours was a position of integrity that recognised the way our democracy should work when faced with a demanding issue of such over-riding constitutional importance and why it failed on this occasion. Party loyalties should be put aside at such times. Some brave souls sacrificed their careers as a consequence but too many bottled it.

I will argue until hell freezes over that a 52:48 result in 2016 is not a reason to press ahead with Brexit come what may in 2020. A new Parliament decided it should, so it has. That new Parliament ought never have happened though. It was in the Autumn of last year that the shenanigans peaked and Parliament failed.

You may disagree but I am not going to get upset over that as I am sure you are sincere. Wrong, but sincere.

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Some did do what they believed to be best for us, and some lost their jobs as a result. Which demonstrated the weakness of the party system. That needs to be repaired in some way so that no MP is ever fearful of being deselected by a group of party activists ever again. We cannot allow activists to decide how MPs vote any more than we can allow smarmy admen posing as "advisors" to write catchy slogans intended to lull the gullible.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Post Brexit I see housing as the real litmus test. Even at this time when people are in financial dire straits house prices go up and up. Now that we have control over our borders, that's certainly one box ticked in terms of combatting a generation being priced out. My concern though is that while we've peeled away one layer of government (EU) control, it will still prove to be one layer too many. Our own politicians and parties are chock-full of those benefiting from keeping the average hard working man on the hamster wheel, and our sons and daughters spending decades paying off someone elses mortgage. If any party 'genuinely' intended to address this problem they'd have my vote.

Good post!
As for politicians in general - let's not go there!

Bit of an understatement... when is cheap labour ever good for the working man? The rest of us then have to top it up with tax credits or benefits. There is only one person who benefits from cheap labour and thats the employer. Why pay a guy £150 a day when you can pay him £100 because he needs the work?

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The EU banned Britain from importing beef for decades over a handful of BSE deaths.

Whilst China gets rewarded for is abysmal food hygiene standards which have plunged the world into lockdown.

The natural laws of supply and demand should prevail. Reduce the demand and prices will fall, it’s simple.

What I don’t agree with is artificially affecting the housing market in any way by some communist form of legislation that restricts property ownership. At the end of the day, if someone owns say 10 properties, they are not just leaving them empty, they are providing a much needed rental sector. Not everyone wants to buy.

If you want real change to the housing market then you need to change lots of things such as:

1. Remove excess demand. Controlling borders should help with this.
2. Build, build, build. Let’s get jobs, apprenticeships and the economy moving by government backed development. This should provide more rented and affordable housing and meet the new green technology requirements.
3. Stop foreign investment in the UK property market. Let’s have the people, the government and British business owning British property.
4. The principle of fair rent is not unreasonable and should return. It needs a lot of work though and re-implementing the old system would not be good.

There is lots that could be done and discussions on this could go on for days, however the basic principle is reduce excess demand by controlling the growth of population and increasing the supply of property. Simple economics will then make property affordable.

The property market is just one of many fantastic opportunities for this country to improve itself post Brexit.

Come off it Wisbech. The EU only has one ultimate ambition. The centralisation of power. If you are too short sighted to see that then it explains a lot about your other opinions.

The inevitable consequence of globalisation will be fewer people with greater power over more people. A sort of planet wide communism where 99% of people become equally poor.