What, you mean you don’t have a load of poor people from certain sections of the community looting and stabbing and shooting the local populace. You talk about the EU like it’s the saviour of the world and yet you choose to live in one of the most bigoted areas of the country. You argue as to what is English and what is not and yet you couldn’t pick a more single race community to live in if you tried.

I shall be lifting a drink with my mates to celebrate our final departure this evening. Ironic really because I’ll be doing it on a Spanish island, however having said that there are plenty of locals who have had their fill of the EU and who shall probably join me. I’ll be paying, just doing my bit for my European friends now I don’t have to sponsor them.

There's no bigotry here! Well, no more than you would find anywhere else. We have our share of right-wing zeolots just as everywhere.

Nor is it "single-race", whatever you might mean by that. There are many folk living here who weren't born here. Me included.

The clinking of campari glasses, the murmur of a million mosquitos, cannot hide the essential tragedy of the british ex-pat.

There are not enough rich ones left to interview - Whicker......

There’s room at the table for one more Steeleye. You’d love the conversation, zero politics, zero football, just whose round is it next.

May I suggest you fly to Belfast, taxi to Dublin, flight with Ryanair to Tenerife, no questions asked. More than one way to skin a cat under lock down restrictions.

I would agree that Joyce should have undergone a prison sentence. However, I have little doubt that he would have hung plenty in a post war fascist Britain.

Your dim insult to people on the right regarding who they would support in WW2 is entirely predictable.

The suggestion disgusts me and you are an idiot in making it.

I regard Powell as a hero and his words turned out truthful....you can think of him as you like. If Powell had supported the NF then he would have joined it.

I find your recent appreciation of your parents fishy, considering the embarrassing scorn and criticism you gave them in past Hol posts....calling them racists for example. Indeed, how you refer to them now is completely different and I have little doubt it is due to the criticism you received for it.

Frankly I don't believe a slimy word you say about anything.....though I tip my hat to your parents who were part of that great generation.

It's certainly true that not all patriots were right wing. As it is that left and right were completely different back then.....Mosley, for example was a socialist and in the Labour party and fascists back then did not regard themselves as right wing

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What a post-war fascist and Joyce's role in it can only be guessed at but it would not have been nice. You can though detect the aroma of some of it in modern-day right-wing politics, although you will certainly deny it as you deny any criticism.

Powell's words most certainly did NOT turn out to be right. There have been no "rivers of blood" anywhere. He didn't join the NF presumably because he saw himself as the next Tory PM. He was much smarter than that but the point was he gave encouragement to the sentiment that resulted in the NF. In much the same way that Trump has resulted in the Proud Boys becoming more than a fringe local group.

I have never criticised my parents. That is yet another of your misrepresentations born out of your spite and hatred for views that don't chime with your own.

I have spoken of my mother's views being different back in the 1950s but I expressed an understanding of why that was and said that these would doubtless have been modified and become more tolerant with time. She was a kind woman at heart and as her knowledge and experience increased she slowly changed. My father's early naval career was in China where he encountered real racism, which he too learned from.

These remarks were always intended to contrast those who are capable of learning and changing with those who aren't. You decide if that cap fits.

Mosley was 100% aristocrat and his association with Labour was fleeting and entirely opportunist. He was no more a socialist than any other fascist.

His family retained both his wealth and his strangeness. I never met Max Mosley but I have seen his huge estate and have met his wife. Not much socialistic attitude in her from that experience I can assure you.

I'd say there will be problems with a British passport currently. You're not allowed to cross county borders in Ireland either. From 6 this evening we have a month of the most stringent lockdown. Border is being patrolled too. Travel ban from UK currently until 6th. Lockdown with 5km limit until end of January. Oh so much fun. What a way to start a year! I can't even be bothered to drink.