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elgrande Flag bedford 04 Oct 16 9.57pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


We have a more equal society than at any time in the past.
The fact that 1% of the population are super rich is not the problem. In fact wealth drags all people upward.
Some people are more interested in being jealous of those who have more than them than seeing the reality.
Yes it's appalling that some people live in poverty in 21st Century Britain but if it was easy to fix then any government would fix it immediately. The meaning of poverty has changed. Now it means that you can't afford a flat screen TV. 100 years ago it meant you shared a room with 10 other people and had nothing decent to eat half the week.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (04 Oct 2016 8.57pm)

I do tend to agree with this,I would like to see what constitutes poverty in 2016.
Now I'm not saying there's not thousands of kids who are not in some forms of poverty.

 


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chris123 Flag hove actually 04 Oct 16 10.27pm

Originally posted by elgrande

I do tend to agree with this,I would like to see what constitutes poverty in 2016.
Now I'm not saying there's not thousands of kids who are not in some forms of poverty.

This is from what I linked above


Interpretation Child Low Income & Material Deprivation – respondents are asked whether they have access to a list of 21 goods and services. If they can’t afford a given item, this is scored in the material deprivation measure, with items more commonly owned in the population given a higher weighted score. A child is considered to be in low income and material deprivation if they live in a family that has a total score of 25 or more out of 100 and an equivalised household income BHC below 70% of median. More details are available in the HBAI Quality and Methodology Information Report.

Main Findings The percentage of children in relative low income BHC increased by 2 percentage points to 19% (not statistically significant) in 2014/15. The percentages of children in absolute low income and in combined low income and material deprivation, however, remained unchanged at 17% and 13% respectively. This is most likely due to families with children benefiting less from increases in full-time work than childless families, as well as the 1% uprating of some benefits.

Children are at higher risk of living in both relative and absolute low income than the overall UK population. This result holds over the past 20 years and is true on both a Before and After Housing Costs basis.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 04 Oct 16 11.22pm

Originally posted by chris123

This is from what I linked above


Interpretation Child Low Income & Material Deprivation – respondents are asked whether they have access to a list of 21 goods and services. If they can’t afford a given item, this is scored in the material deprivation measure, with items more commonly owned in the population given a higher weighted score. A child is considered to be in low income and material deprivation if they live in a family that has a total score of 25 or more out of 100 and an equivalised household income BHC below 70% of median. More details are available in the HBAI Quality and Methodology Information Report.

Main Findings The percentage of children in relative low income BHC increased by 2 percentage points to 19% (not statistically significant) in 2014/15. The percentages of children in absolute low income and in combined low income and material deprivation, however, remained unchanged at 17% and 13% respectively. This is most likely due to families with children benefiting less from increases in full-time work than childless families, as well as the 1% uprating of some benefits.

Children are at higher risk of living in both relative and absolute low income than the overall UK population. This result holds over the past 20 years and is true on both a Before and After Housing Costs basis.

This is from the independent based on HM Revenue and Customs figures
[Link]

 

.TUX. Flag 05 Oct 16 6.09am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

An interesting interpretation of the facts. And yet most people wouldn't trust Labour with a piggy bank.

It's all Tory spin I suppose. I lived through the seventies mate and your sort want to take us back there but without the laughs.

Aaah, the 70's. The end of the Bretton Wood system, banks running riot (ring any bells?), oil prices through the roof, the FTSE/Dow Jones losing half their value...............and Slade.

Apart from Slade you're right, it was all Labours fault

 


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chris123 Flag hove actually 05 Oct 16 6.47am

Originally posted by nickgusset

This is from the independent based on HM Revenue and Customs figures
[Link]

But low income is a statistical point and doesn't equal poverty. If you increased every ones income by 50% you'd still have the same proportion on low incomes.

 

leifandersonshair Flag Newport 05 Oct 16 8.40am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


We have a more equal society than at any time in the past.
The fact that 1% of the population are super rich is not the problem. In fact wealth drags all people upward.
Some people are more interested in being jealous of those who have more than them than seeing the reality.
Yes it's appalling that some people live in poverty in 21st Century Britain but if it was easy to fix then any government would fix it immediately. The meaning of poverty has changed. Now it means that you can't afford a flat screen TV. 100 years ago it meant you shared a room with 10 other people and had nothing decent to eat half the week.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (04 Oct 2016 8.57pm)

Ha, seriously?! Wealth drags all people upward sounds like 'trickle down economics' which has been super successful right? I feel so much better knowing that 1% are so much richer, and apparently dragging me up with them. Thanks, the 1%!

I take your point that poverty in 2016 is very different from poverty in 1916 or 1816. But anyone who thinks that there is not real poverty in this country (someone who cannot get enough to eat, regularly, and faces hard choices about whether to turn on the heating or pay the rent in the winter) is delusional. It isn't just 'don't have a plasma screen TV' "poverty".

 

Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 05 Oct 16 8.48am

Originally posted by leifandersonshair

Ha, seriously?! Wealth drags all people upward sounds like 'trickle down economics' which has been super successful right? I feel so much better knowing that 1% are so much richer, and apparently dragging me up with them. Thanks, the 1%!

I take your point that poverty in 2016 is very different from poverty in 1916 or 1816. But anyone who thinks that there is not real poverty in this country (someone who cannot get enough to eat, regularly, and faces hard choices about whether to turn on the heating or pay the rent in the winter) is delusional. It isn't just 'don't have a plasma screen TV' "poverty".

Hrolf is correct. The poor get richer when the wealthy get richer. It's simple economics.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 8.59am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Hrolf is correct. The poor get richer when the wealthy get richer. It's simple economics.

Not according to this

Trickle-down economics is the greatest broken promise of our lifetime

[Link]

Many other articles I could have chosen from...

 

Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 05 Oct 16 9.34am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Not according to this

Trickle-down economics is the greatest broken promise of our lifetime

[Link]

Many other articles I could have chosen from...

[Link]

Institute of Fiscal studies. Poorer are better off and in an interview last week they stated that it has improved every year since 2009.

There's a variety of reasons for it but the bottom line is that it is improving

 


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DanH Flag SW2 05 Oct 16 9.42am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Hrolf is correct. The poor get richer when the wealthy get richer. It's simple economics.

It really, really isn't.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 05 Oct 16 10.05am

Of course its not - the Chancellor Osborne admits his policies favoured the rich at the expense of the poor.

Stop sending links to right wing rags - have a brain of your own.

 

Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 05 Oct 16 11.16am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Of course its not - the Chancellor Osborne admits his policies favoured the rich at the expense of the poor.

Stop sending links to right wing rags - have a brain of your own.


So where did you read you figures?

 


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legaleagle Flag 05 Oct 16 11.32am

Whatever the stats are (and the Cameron government rejigged the child poverty ones in a way that resulted in a seemingly but not necessarily actual downwards trend),child poverty remains a sad comment on what we as a society (and through our votes elected governments) don't even begin to try to really address.

As Dr Barnado's (hardly a left wing instituition) says:

"There are currently 3.7 million children living in poverty in the UK. That’s over a quarter of all children. 1.7 million of these children are living in severe poverty. . In the UK 63% of children living in poverty are in a family where someone works.

These child poverty statistics and facts will help to give you an idea of the scale of child poverty in the UK and the affect it can have on:

a child's education
a child's health
the day to day lives of families."

 

Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 05 Oct 16 11.38am

Originally posted by legaleagle

Whatever the stats are (and the Cameron government rejigged the child poverty ones in a way that resulted in a seemingly but not necessarily actual downwards trend),child poverty remains a sad comment on what we as a society (and through our votes elected governments) don't even begin to try to really address.

As Dr Barnado's (hardly a left wing instituition) says:

"There are currently 3.7 million children living in poverty in the UK. That’s over a quarter of all children. 1.7 million of these children are living in severe poverty. . In the UK 63% of children living in poverty are in a family where someone works.

These child poverty statistics and facts will help to give you an idea of the scale of child poverty in the UK and the affect it can have on:

a child's education
a child's health
the day to day lives of families."

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 11.43am

Originally posted by legaleagle

Whatever the stats are (and the Cameron government rejigged the child poverty ones in a way that resulted in a seemingly but not necessarily actual downwards trend),child poverty remains a sad comment on what we as a society (and through our votes elected governments) don't even begin to try to really address.

As Dr Barnado's (hardly a left wing instituition) says:

"There are currently 3.7 million children living in poverty in the UK. That’s over a quarter of all children. 1.7 million of these children are living in severe poverty. . In the UK 63% of children living in poverty are in a family where someone works.

These child poverty statistics and facts will help to give you an idea of the scale of child poverty in the UK and the affect it can have on:

a child's education
a child's health
the day to day lives of families."


But their parents can afford flat screen tvs! (forgetting the fact that you don't really see the old tube tellys anymore)

Kind of linked to child poverty, the letter here is disgusting.

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We are goin up! Flag Coulsdon 05 Oct 16 11.44am

Poverty and hunger worldwide are falling at unprecedentedly fast rates. Good line in the link below: "Although capitalism is very good at advertising soap powder, cars and computers, it is very bad at selling itself".

[Link]

 


The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 05 Oct 16 11.54am

Originally posted by nickgusset


But their parents can afford flat screen tvs! (forgetting the fact that you don't really see the old tube tellys anymore)

Kind of linked to child poverty, the letter here is disgusting.

More to do with a s***ty teacher, or certainly deputy head? More of an education issue. Plus the mother had already paid?

On another note and more on topic, anyone seen Jezza whilst the Tories turn ever so slightly Nazi?
[Link]

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 12.10pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

More to do with a s***ty teacher, or certainly deputy head? More of an education issue. Plus the mother had already paid?

On another note and more on topic, anyone seen Jezza whilst the Tories turn ever so slightly Nazi?
[Link]

Wouldn't happen in a local authority run school.

I'm sure Corbyn will respond in due time. Is he not allowed to take a few days off whilst parliament is away? Yes there was the summer, but he was a bit busy then.

 

Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 05 Oct 16 12.23pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Wouldn't happen in a local authority run school.

I'm sure Corbyn will respond in due time. Is he not allowed to take a few days off whilst parliament is away? Yes there was the summer, but he was a bit busy then.

Of course he is but as is often the case with him it's about timing

 


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We are goin up! Flag Coulsdon 05 Oct 16 12.26pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Wouldn't happen in a local authority run school.

I'm sure Corbyn will respond in due time. Is he not allowed to take a few days off whilst parliament is away? Yes there was the summer, but he was a bit busy then.


For God's sake, he has a press office! Wouldn't take much to maybe make one call and say why haven't you jumped on this???

No one is even listening to Labour any more, we've got a one party state.

 


The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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