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Tickled pink Cornwall 13 Feb 21 11.53pm
Originally posted by Harpo Thank goodness for Covid - at least I don't have to travel 2 hours each way to Selhurst just to tear my hair out in frustration. Just like the team and the manager, time is catching up with me and I have probably bought my last season ticket. My wallet is sending a message to the board, and frankly, the board needs to take an interest my decision.

Tickled pink

Cornwall 13 Feb 21 11.53pm

Originally posted by Harpo

Thank goodness for Covid - at least I don't have to travel 2 hours each way to Selhurst just to tear my hair out in frustration.

Just like the team and the manager, time is catching up with me and I have probably bought my last season ticket.

My wallet is sending a message to the board, and frankly, the board needs to take an interest my decision.

robdave2k 13 Feb 21 11.58pm
Originally posted by Tickled pink Did you think he was brought in to do that! really? lol At the time no! But he’s been given Eze, Meyer, Camarasa etc. And players strengths are nullified by his “system” I think BE said earlier he’d bet his house on Roy keeping us up with a 20million investment. I bet he would have bet his house on us beating Iceland too. The parallels with England are there!

robdave2k

13 Feb 21 11.58pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Did you think he was brought in to do that! really? lol

At the time no!

But he’s been given Eze, Meyer, Camarasa etc. And players strengths are nullified by his “system”

I think BE said earlier he’d bet his house on Roy keeping us up with a 20million investment. I bet he would have bet his house on us beating Iceland too.

The parallels with England are there!

JoeViper bromley 14 Feb 21 12.20am
Originally posted by Mstrobez Well it hasn't because there is no way on planet earth he is going anywhere until at least the end of the season. And unless there is a fairly significant influx of transfer funds at that point, our squad is comfortably one of the poorest 3 in the league. Be careful what you wish for. No way of earth??? Thats big words. Parish is ruthless when he needs to be and he will be fully aware of the advantages (that i and others have stated) of making the change now rather than at the end of the year. The key will be if the man they want to replace Roy with is available now, if he is I will be very surprised if Roy sees the season out. One of the biggest mysteries in life is that loud stupid people normally don't have even the slightest inclination that they are stupid.

JoeViper

bromley 14 Feb 21 12.20am

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Well it hasn't because there is no way on planet earth he is going anywhere until at least the end of the season. And unless there is a fairly significant influx of transfer funds at that point, our squad is comfortably one of the poorest 3 in the league. Be careful what you wish for.

No way of earth??? Thats big words. Parish is ruthless when he needs to be and he will be fully aware of the advantages (that i and others have stated) of making the change now rather than at the end of the year. The key will be if the man they want to replace Roy with is available now, if he is I will be very surprised if Roy sees the season out.

One of the biggest mysteries in life is that loud stupid people normally don't have even the slightest inclination that they are stupid.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Feb 21 12.30am
Originally posted by JoeViper No way of earth??? Thats big words. Parish is ruthless when he needs to be and he will be fully aware of the advantages (that i and others have stated) of making the change now rather than at the end of the year. The key will be if the man they want to replace Roy with is available now, if he is I will be very surprised if Roy sees the season out. Even IF someone else is appointed in the next few days, he will still inherit a squad with most well past their best, injured players including Zaha and no chance of signing any players before the end of the season. The players are not suddenly going to get younger,quicker and more mobile and Benteke and Batshuayi are hardly likely to turn into top strikers! I don't get the feeling that any change will be made prior to the end of the season. Edited by Willo (14 Feb 2021 12.36am)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Feb 21 12.30am

Originally posted by JoeViper

No way of earth??? Thats big words. Parish is ruthless when he needs to be and he will be fully aware of the advantages (that i and others have stated) of making the change now rather than at the end of the year. The key will be if the man they want to replace Roy with is available now, if he is I will be very surprised if Roy sees the season out.

Even IF someone else is appointed in the next few days, he will still inherit a squad with most well past their best, injured players including Zaha and no chance of signing any players before the end of the season.
The players are not suddenly going to get younger,quicker and more mobile and Benteke and Batshuayi are hardly likely to turn into top strikers!

I don't get the feeling that any change will be made prior to the end of the season.

Edited by Willo (14 Feb 2021 12.36am)

dazza Wallington 14 Feb 21 12.34am
Originally posted by Willo Even IF someone else is appointed in the next few days, he will still inherit a squad with most well past their best, injured players including Zaha and no chance of signing any players before the end of the season. The players are not suddenly going to get younger,quicker and more mobile and Benteke and Batshuayi are hardly likely to turn into top strikers! No but maybe another manager will have fresh ideas & a plan a & b whilst getting the best out of the players we have. In other words you are saying what’s the point it’s the same with people about the vaccine saying what’s the point in having it. Well we either carry on like we are change/have vaccine on the hope that things improve.

dazza

Wallington 14 Feb 21 12.34am

Originally posted by Willo

No but maybe another manager will have fresh ideas & a plan a & b whilst getting the best out of the players we have.

In other words you are saying what’s the point it’s the same with people about the vaccine saying what’s the point in having it.

Well we either carry on like we are change/have vaccine on the hope that things improve.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Feb 21 12.47am
Originally posted by dazza No but maybe another manager will have fresh ideas & a plan a & b whilst getting the best out of the players we have. In other words you are saying what’s the point it’s the same with people about the vaccine saying what’s the point in having it. Well we either carry on like we are change/have vaccine on the hope that things improve. A new person will have his own ideas but will still only have the current players at his disposal and I would suggest with many in the 'Twilight' of their careers,coupled with some who have been abject he will not have too much scope for improvement ! With our league standing we will probably limp on to the end of the season with the current management in place.There would have to be a 'Volte face' to change the status quo. Edited by Willo (14 Feb 2021 12.49am)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Feb 21 12.47am

Originally posted by dazza

No but maybe another manager will have fresh ideas & a plan a & b whilst getting the best out of the players we have.

In other words you are saying what’s the point it’s the same with people about the vaccine saying what’s the point in having it.

Well we either carry on like we are change/have vaccine on the hope that things improve.

A new person will have his own ideas but will still only have the current players at his disposal and I would suggest with many in the 'Twilight' of their careers,coupled with some who have been abject he will not have too much scope for improvement !

With our league standing we will probably limp on to the end of the season with the current management in place.There would have to be a 'Volte face' to change the status quo.

Edited by Willo (14 Feb 2021 12.49am)

thai-eagle chiang mai 14 Feb 21 3.35am
You can tell by the look of the manager acting as a salt sculpture, while Burnley outplayed us and could actually have won with a quite bigger scoreline. And still 4-4-2! Not think for a minute we are safe and already have secured PL status for next season. We have lost to Burnley before - usual by the odd goal but never been run over like this. Here in Thailand, we have access to all PL games - I will for sure miss the Amex meeting. It might turn out really ugly for us.

thai-eagle

chiang mai 14 Feb 21 3.35am

You can tell by the look of the manager acting as a salt sculpture, while Burnley outplayed us and could actually have won with a quite bigger scoreline.
And still 4-4-2!
Not think for a minute we are safe and already have secured PL status for next season. We have lost to Burnley before - usual by the odd goal but never been run over like this.
Here in Thailand, we have access to all PL games - I will for sure miss the Amex meeting. It might turn out really ugly for us.

redandblue4life Auckland city ! 14 Feb 21 7.29am
Just imagine if the fans where there yesterday !! We have turned into a joke of a club ! No investment at all in the squad picking up cheap or free options ......... the Americans we’re supposed to invest were they not ??? ROY OUT

redandblue4life

Auckland city ! 14 Feb 21 7.29am

Just imagine if the fans where there yesterday !!
We have turned into a joke of a club ! No investment at all in the squad picking up cheap or free options ......... the Americans we’re supposed to invest were they not ??? ROY OUT

Frickin Saweet South Cronx 14 Feb 21 8.12am
Originally posted by ASCPFC During the lockdown watching Palace was one thing to look forward to. Now I can't even be bothered to watch us. Why should I? The players can't be bothered to play. Go to waitrose or your local supermarket, it's the highlight of my week

Frickin Saweet

South Cronx 14 Feb 21 8.12am

Originally posted by ASCPFC

During the lockdown watching Palace was one thing to look forward to. Now I can't even be bothered to watch us. Why should I? The players can't be bothered to play.

Go to waitrose or your local supermarket, it's the highlight of my week

Skip 14 Feb 21 8.20am
Originally posted by Harpo Thank goodness for Covid - at least I don't have to travel 2 hours each way to Selhurst just to tear my hair out in frustration. Just like the team and the manager, time is catching up with me and I have probably bought my last season ticket. My wallet is sending a message to the board, and frankly, the board needs to take an interest my decision. What a ridiculous thing to come out with. Do you not realise that people are dying ? Probably quite a few Palace supporters haven’t made it, including my dad who was a season ticket holder. He died 3 weeks ago.

Skip

14 Feb 21 8.20am

Originally posted by Harpo

Thank goodness for Covid - at least I don't have to travel 2 hours each way to Selhurst just to tear my hair out in frustration.

Just like the team and the manager, time is catching up with me and I have probably bought my last season ticket.

My wallet is sending a message to the board, and frankly, the board needs to take an interest my decision.

What a ridiculous thing to come out with. Do you not realise that people are dying ? Probably quite a few Palace supporters haven’t made it, including my dad who was a season ticket holder. He died 3 weeks ago.

Knightstar Guildford 14 Feb 21 8.23am
I've generally been in favour of Roy staying until the summer and then going, with Parish hopefully already lining up his replacement. However yesterday was so abject with the players looking all at sea and lacking in any self belief, that I wonder if we can afford to wait until then. True Wilf's return will undoubtedly provide a lift but how soon will that be and will it be enough? Clearly the players themselves must take their share of the blame for such awful performances lately, but it is obvious that Roy seems incapable of inspiring them to raise their game and compete. Why were we second best in every aspect of the game? This is totally unacceptable and I hope Parish recognises the mess we are in and is planning to take action soon! COYP

Knightstar

Guildford 14 Feb 21 8.23am

I've generally been in favour of Roy staying until the summer and then going, with Parish hopefully already lining up his replacement. However yesterday was so abject with the players looking all at sea and lacking in any self belief, that I wonder if we can afford to wait until then. True Wilf's return will undoubtedly provide a lift but how soon will that be and will it be enough? Clearly the players themselves must take their share of the blame for such awful performances lately, but it is obvious that Roy seems incapable of inspiring them to raise their game and compete. Why were we second best in every aspect of the game? This is totally unacceptable and I hope Parish recognises the mess we are in and is planning to take action soon! COYP

southnorwoodhill 14 Feb 21 8.45am
Roy gets away with it because the bar is set low: Premiership survival is a means to an end, and we could finish 16th or 17th and he has achieved the target. In 8 seasons we haven't progressed at all since the days of Tony Pulis, Hodgson despite having his "best ever squad", has steadily gone backwards. Roy gets away with it because there are no crowds, I think most here agree that by now Parish would have heard the disgruntlement from the stands and acted in one way or another. Roy gets away with it because quite frankly the standard in the Premiership is woeful, this season being particularly bad, perhaps this is because of the fans not being present, but whatever the cause, Roy's task is made easier by the standard of opposition - remarkably there are worse teams than us! Ultimately it depends on the ambition of the owners and the voice of the fans, I am increasingly thinking of the likelyhood of a drop down to the Championship from where we can get rid of the deadwood and start anew with the parachute payment, a few experienced pros, and a batch of youngsters with an enthusiastic front foot manager. At the moment we are dining on the thinnest of gruel, and it's not good enough, the ambition is set too low. Edited by southnorwoodhill (14 Feb 2021 8.51am)

southnorwoodhill

14 Feb 21 8.45am

Roy gets away with it because the bar is set low: Premiership survival is a means to an end, and we could finish 16th or 17th and he has achieved the target. In 8 seasons we haven't progressed at all since the days of Tony Pulis, Hodgson despite having his "best ever squad", has steadily gone backwards.
Roy gets away with it because there are no crowds, I think most here agree that by now Parish would have heard the disgruntlement from the stands and acted in one way or another.
Roy gets away with it because quite frankly the standard in the Premiership is woeful, this season being particularly bad, perhaps this is because of the fans not being present, but whatever the cause, Roy's task is made easier by the standard of opposition - remarkably there are worse teams than us!
Ultimately it depends on the ambition of the owners and the voice of the fans, I am increasingly thinking of the likelyhood of a drop down to the Championship from where we can get rid of the deadwood and start anew with the parachute payment, a few experienced pros, and a batch of youngsters with an enthusiastic front foot manager.
At the moment we are dining on the thinnest of gruel, and it's not good enough, the ambition is set too low.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (14 Feb 2021 8.51am)

MonsterMunch Cambridge 14 Feb 21 9.04am
I just cannot accept it’s the players not the manager line. Saying no one can achieve more with the players we have is total nonsense. If that’s the case what’s the point of it all. Look at the lift Dowie gave the club when he came in. Different set of players, different time and league granted but the denial of what a quality manager can have on a team is baffling to me. Edited by MonsterMunch (14 Feb 2021 9.15am)

MonsterMunch

Cambridge 14 Feb 21 9.04am

I just cannot accept it’s the players not the manager line. Saying no one can achieve more with the players we have is total nonsense. If that’s the case what’s the point of it all. Look at the lift Dowie gave the club when he came in. Different set of players, different time and league granted but the denial of what a quality manager can have on a team is baffling to me.

Edited by MonsterMunch (14 Feb 2021 9.15am)

MR100% 14 Feb 21 9.08am
There is no doubt we, like other teams ,are suffering from injuries .However some of the players yesterday looked totally disinterested and Roy seems unable to motivate them probably because he has realised his contract will not be renewed. He is talking about a new contract but note Parish has said nothing at all. I reckon that by end of March Eddie Howe will be in charge Lets not renew the following contracts Van Anholt Benteke Cahill Dann Sakho Can't make my mind up about Luka We don't want Batschuayi

MR100%

14 Feb 21 9.08am

There is no doubt we, like other teams ,are suffering from injuries .However some of the players yesterday looked totally disinterested and Roy seems unable to motivate them probably because he has realised his contract will not be renewed. He is talking about a new contract but note Parish has said nothing at all.
I reckon that by end of March Eddie Howe will be in charge

Lets not renew the following contracts

Van Anholt
Benteke
Cahill
Dann
Sakho

Can't make my mind up about Luka

We don't want Batschuayi

palace chick South Croydon 14 Feb 21 9.08am
Originally posted by southnorwoodhill Roy gets away with it because the bar is set low: Premiership survival is a means to an end, and we could finish 16th or 17th and he has achieved the target. In 8 seasons we haven't progressed at all since the days of Tony Pulis, Hodgson despite having his "best ever squad", has steadily gone backwards. Roy gets away with it because there are no crowds, I think most here agree that by now Parish would have heard the disgruntlement from the stands and acted in one way or another. Roy gets away with it because quite frankly the standard in the Premiership is woeful, this season being particularly bad, perhaps this is because of the fans not being present, but whatever the cause, Roy's task is made easier by the standard of opposition - remarkably there are worse teams than us! Ultimately it depends on the ambition of the owners and the voice of the fans, I am increasingly thinking of the likelyhood of a drop down to the Championship from where we can get rid of the deadwood and start anew with the parachute payment, a few experienced pros, and a batch of youngsters with an enthusiastic front foot manager. At the moment we are dining on the thinnest of gruel, and it's not good enough, the ambition is set too low. Edited by southnorwoodhill (14 Feb 2021 8.51am) You said “remarkable there are worse teams than us” Over the season, yes. But, I don’t think at this present time that is true. I don’t believe we are capable of being able to beat, let alone draw with any team in the Premiership. I would go as far as to say most teams in the Championship would beat us? If Hodgson changes back to his defence minded midfield we may beat the drop and pick up enough points to keep the bottom 3 as they are. We will be 4th from bottom very soon.

palace chick

South Croydon 14 Feb 21 9.08am

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Edited by southnorwoodhill (14 Feb 2021 8.51am)

You said “remarkable there are worse teams than us” Over the season, yes. But, I don’t think at this present time that is true. I don’t believe we are capable of being able to beat, let alone draw with any team in the Premiership. I would go as far as to say most teams in the Championship would beat us? If Hodgson changes back to his defence minded midfield we may beat the drop and pick up enough points to keep the bottom 3 as they are. We will be 4th from bottom very soon.

southnorwoodhill 14 Feb 21 9.20am
Originally posted by palace chick You said “remarkable there are worse teams than us” Over the season, yes. But, I don’t think at this present time that is true. I don’t believe we are capable of being able to beat, let alone draw with any team in the Premiership. I would go as far as to say most teams in the Championship would beat us? If Hodgson changes back to his defence minded midfield we may beat the drop and pick up enough points to keep the bottom 3 as they are. We will be 4th from bottom very soon. I agree! At the present time we are probably the worst team in the Premiership. There are still many games to play and my prediction at the beginning of the season (based on Hodgson's career trajectory, the end to last season, limited new signings and a very negative style of play) was 16th or 17th. Which for Parish seems good enough... Edited by southnorwoodhill (14 Feb 2021 9.20am)

southnorwoodhill

14 Feb 21 9.20am

Originally posted by palace chick

I agree! At the present time we are probably the worst team in the Premiership. There are still many games to play and my prediction at the beginning of the season (based on Hodgson's career trajectory, the end to last season, limited new signings and a very negative style of play) was 16th or 17th. Which for Parish seems good enough...

Edited by southnorwoodhill (14 Feb 2021 9.20am)

Spiderman Horsham 14 Feb 21 9.29am
Originally posted by Mstrobez Some people on here make me thankful they don't run the club. We'd be nowhere near the standard we are today as an established Premier League club if they were. As frustrating as Roy can be, what are you expecting - exactly? Consistent top half finishes challenging for Europe? Great! Well we're gonna need to spend a tiny bit more than a 5er every 3 seasons to achieve that. Until then, Roy Hodgson will have kept us comfortably up 4 years on the spin. And trust me, with Scott Dann as a regular starter - that is some achievement. Edited by Mstrobez (13 Feb 2021 11.32pm) After yesterday I am not sure it will be that comfortable this year. Luckily the bottom 3 will have to produce a near miracle, although they do happen.

Spiderman

Horsham 14 Feb 21 9.29am

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Some people on here make me thankful they don't run the club. We'd be nowhere near the standard we are today as an established Premier League club if they were.

As frustrating as Roy can be, what are you expecting - exactly? Consistent top half finishes challenging for Europe? Great! Well we're gonna need to spend a tiny bit more than a 5er every 3 seasons to achieve that.

Until then, Roy Hodgson will have kept us comfortably up 4 years on the spin. And trust me, with Scott Dann as a regular starter - that is some achievement.

Edited by Mstrobez (13 Feb 2021 11.32pm)

After yesterday I am not sure it will be that comfortable this year. Luckily the bottom 3 will have to produce a near miracle, although they do happen.

Cornwall Eagle 14 Feb 21 9.38am
I know that we have to be careful and manage our expectations. It is not that we are losing it is the way in which it is happening that makes it hard to watch. We appear to have our best ever premier league squad and are hardly attacking. I do not necessarily want a playing out from the back style football just some goalmouth action which is not at our end. We are being arguably outplayed in our last 5 games and Roy has somehow organised the team to win two. This is creditable but can we continue particularly when we are losing it is by some margin.

Cornwall Eagle

14 Feb 21 9.38am

I know that we have to be careful and manage our expectations. It is not that we are losing it is the way in which it is happening that makes it hard to watch. We appear to have our best ever premier league squad and are hardly attacking. I do not necessarily want a playing out from the back style football just some goalmouth action which is not at our end. We are being arguably outplayed in our last 5 games and Roy has somehow organised the team to win two. This is creditable but can we continue particularly when we are losing it is by some margin.

Booted Eagle Bristol 14 Feb 21 9.41am
Originally posted by Spiderman After yesterday I am not sure it will be that comfortable this year. Luckily the bottom 3 will have to produce a near miracle, although they do happen. Due to the poor fair on offer from us on the pitch the only excitement that I can get from the league is encouraging teams to beat Fulham. Yesterday was another example of a game lost at half time or earlier but no change to the team until the hour. This is now so regular in games from Roy that a change of management is long overdue. If this is a statement to the owners to invest in the team for the future he may as well go now as that will not probably happen unless they have squirreled away a treasure chest. Expect not and Covid has probably scuppered that. Possibly it is due to his inability to take a risk/methods. Either way he should make way. Edited by Booted Eagle (14 Feb 2021 9.47am) “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

Booted Eagle

Bristol 14 Feb 21 9.41am

Originally posted by Spiderman

After yesterday I am not sure it will be that comfortable this year. Luckily the bottom 3 will have to produce a near miracle, although they do happen.

Due to the poor fair on offer from us on the pitch the only excitement that I can get from the league is encouraging teams to beat Fulham. Yesterday was another example of a game lost at half time or earlier but no change to the team until the hour. This is now so regular in games from Roy that a change of management is long overdue. If this is a statement to the owners to invest in the team for the future he may as well go now as that will not probably happen unless they have squirreled away a treasure chest. Expect not and Covid has probably scuppered that. Possibly it is due to his inability to take a risk/methods. Either way he should make way.

Edited by Booted Eagle (14 Feb 2021 9.47am)

“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

MonsterMunch Cambridge 14 Feb 21 9.49am
Originally posted by Cornwall Eagle I know that we have to be careful and manage our expectations. It is not that we are losing it is the way in which it is happening that makes it hard to watch. We appear to have our best ever premier league squad and are hardly attacking. I do not necessarily want a playing out from the back style football just some goalmouth action which is not at our end. We are being arguably outplayed in our last 5 games and Roy has somehow organised the team to win two. This is creditable but can we continue particularly when we are losing it is by some margin. I agree. Most sensible palace fans are not calling for possession based, tikka takka type football, that’s never been in our dna. Showing attacking internet, a plan to try and win a game of football is what I would like to see. Roy is a pragmatic coach, that’s his style and fair enough. Imo his time with us has reached its expiry date. It happens with all managers/players. The signs point towards this happening at the end of the season.

MonsterMunch

Cambridge 14 Feb 21 9.49am

Originally posted by Cornwall Eagle

I agree. Most sensible palace fans are not calling for possession based, tikka takka type football, that’s never been in our dna. Showing attacking internet, a plan to try and win a game of football is what I would like to see. Roy is a pragmatic coach, that’s his style and fair enough. Imo his time with us has reached its expiry date. It happens with all managers/players. The signs point towards this happening at the end of the season.

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