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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Oct 16 12.44pm
Originally posted by leifandersonshair Ha, seriously?! Wealth drags all people upward sounds like 'trickle down economics' which has been super successful right? I feel so much better knowing that 1% are so much richer, and apparently dragging me up with them. Thanks, the 1%! I take your point that poverty in 2016 is very different from poverty in 1916 or 1816. But anyone who thinks that there is not real poverty in this country (someone who cannot get enough to eat, regularly, and faces hard choices about whether to turn on the heating or pay the rent in the winter) is delusional. It isn't just 'don't have a plasma screen TV' "poverty". Yes seriously. The trickle down might not be much as we would want but it is a economic fact. The world population is relatively wealthier than ever before. Key word "relatively". There will always be the wealthy and they are wealthier than ever before but the rest of us benefit.

Hrolf The Ganger

05 Oct 16 12.44pm

Originally posted by leifandersonshair

Ha, seriously?! Wealth drags all people upward sounds like 'trickle down economics' which has been super successful right? I feel so much better knowing that 1% are so much richer, and apparently dragging me up with them. Thanks, the 1%!

I take your point that poverty in 2016 is very different from poverty in 1916 or 1816. But anyone who thinks that there is not real poverty in this country (someone who cannot get enough to eat, regularly, and faces hard choices about whether to turn on the heating or pay the rent in the winter) is delusional. It isn't just 'don't have a plasma screen TV' "poverty".

Yes seriously.
The trickle down might not be much as we would want but it is a economic fact. The world population is relatively wealthier than ever before. Key word "relatively". There will always be the wealthy and they are wealthier than ever before but the rest of us benefit.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 3.36pm
Seems Corbyn waited for May's speech before releasing a press statement. [Link] “Conservative Party leaders have sunk to a new low this week as they fan the flames of xenophobia and hatred in our communities and try to blame foreigners for their own failures. “Drawing up lists of foreign workers won’t stop unscrupulous employers undercutting wages in Britain. Shutting the door to international students won’t pay young people’s tuition fee debts, and ditching doctors from abroad won’t cut NHS waiting lists. “The Conservatives will instead foster division and discrimination in our workplaces and communities. “Once again, they are making false promises on immigration they can’t deliver. Instead of turning people against each other, ministers should take action now to deal with the real impact of migration. “They should stop the abuse of migrant labour to undercut pay and conditions, which would reduce numbers. “They should support communities with high levels of migration and they should set out a positive agenda for fair migration rules as part of the Brexit negotiations for a new relationship with the European Union.” Wonder if the papers and other media will bother to run with it... Edited by nickgusset (05 Oct 2016 3.39pm)

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 3.36pm

Seems Corbyn waited for May's speech before releasing a press statement.

[Link]

“Conservative Party leaders have sunk to a new low this week as they fan the flames of xenophobia and hatred in our communities and try to blame foreigners for their own failures.

“Drawing up lists of foreign workers won’t stop unscrupulous employers undercutting wages in Britain. Shutting the door to international students won’t pay young people’s tuition fee debts, and ditching doctors from abroad won’t cut NHS waiting lists.

“The Conservatives will instead foster division and discrimination in our workplaces and communities.

“Once again, they are making false promises on immigration they can’t deliver. Instead of turning people against each other, ministers should take action now to deal with the real impact of migration.

“They should stop the abuse of migrant labour to undercut pay and conditions, which would reduce numbers.

“They should support communities with high levels of migration and they should set out a positive agenda for fair migration rules as part of the Brexit negotiations for a new relationship with the European Union.”
Wonder if the papers and other media will bother to run with it...

Edited by nickgusset (05 Oct 2016 3.39pm)

Hrolf The Ganger 05 Oct 16 4.03pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Seems Corbyn waited for May's speech before releasing a press statement. [Link] “Conservative Party leaders have sunk to a new low this week as they fan the flames of xenophobia and hatred in our communities and try to blame foreigners for their own failures. “Drawing up lists of foreign workers won’t stop unscrupulous employers undercutting wages in Britain. Shutting the door to international students won’t pay young people’s tuition fee debts, and ditching doctors from abroad won’t cut NHS waiting lists. “The Conservatives will instead foster division and discrimination in our workplaces and communities. “Once again, they are making false promises on immigration they can’t deliver. Instead of turning people against each other, ministers should take action now to deal with the real impact of migration. “They should stop the abuse of migrant labour to undercut pay and conditions, which would reduce numbers. “They should support communities with high levels of migration and they should set out a positive agenda for fair migration rules as part of the Brexit negotiations for a new relationship with the European Union.” Wonder if the papers and other media will bother to run with it... Edited by nickgusset (05 Oct 2016 3.39pm) Really? Sounds like the usual stock old bollocks you always get from Britain's third Party.(as they will soon be known)

Hrolf The Ganger

05 Oct 16 4.03pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Seems Corbyn waited for May's speech before releasing a press statement.

[Link]

“Conservative Party leaders have sunk to a new low this week as they fan the flames of xenophobia and hatred in our communities and try to blame foreigners for their own failures.

Edited by nickgusset (05 Oct 2016 3.39pm)

Really? Sounds like the usual stock old bollocks you always get from Britain's third Party.(as they will soon be known)

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 4.28pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Really? Sounds like the usual stock old bollocks you always get from Britain's third Party.(as they will soon be known) Ironic that your response is the usual stock old bollocks you always get from Hrolf.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 4.28pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Really? Sounds like the usual stock old bollocks you always get from Britain's third Party.(as they will soon be known)

Ironic that your response is the usual stock old bollocks you always get from Hrolf.

Hrolf The Ganger 05 Oct 16 4.31pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Ironic that your response is the usual stock old bollocks you always get from Hrolf. Yes, but I'm not the leader of the (no) opposition.

Hrolf The Ganger

05 Oct 16 4.31pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Ironic that your response is the usual stock old bollocks you always get from Hrolf.

Yes, but I'm not the leader of the (no) opposition.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 4.35pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Yes, but I'm not the leader of the (no) opposition. At least you admit to your posts being bollocks.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 4.35pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yes, but I'm not the leader of the (no) opposition.

At least you admit to your posts being bollocks.

andyg york 05 Oct 16 4.39pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Yes seriously. The trickle down might not be much as we would want but it is a economic fact. The world population is relatively wealthier than ever before. Key word "relatively". There will always be the wealthy and they are wealthier than ever before but the rest of us benefit. Wrong. there is no evidence that Trickle Down economics works. Its a complete myth. [Link] There are so many more studies. Google trickle down economics evidence when poor people are given money they spend it because they cant afford to save. Rich people stash it away. [Link] Since 1988 lower earners in developing countries are worse off than in 1988

andyg

york 05 Oct 16 4.39pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Wrong. there is no evidence that Trickle Down economics works. Its a complete myth.

[Link]
There are so many more studies. Google trickle down economics evidence

when poor people are given money they spend it because they cant afford to save. Rich people stash it away.

[Link]

Since 1988 lower earners in developing countries are worse off than in 1988

Hrolf The Ganger 05 Oct 16 4.39pm
Originally posted by nickgusset At least you admit to your posts being bollocks. Bollocks to you...........perhaps!

Hrolf The Ganger

05 Oct 16 4.39pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

At least you admit to your posts being bollocks.

Bollocks to you...........perhaps!

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 4.46pm
Originally posted by andyg Wrong. there is no evidence that Trickle Down economics works. Its a complete myth. [Link] There are so many more studies. Google trickle down economics evidence when poor people are given money they spend it because they cant afford to save. Rich people stash it away. [Link] Since 1988 lower earners in developing countries are worse off than in 1988 It's the people who benefit from the status quo that perpetuate the 'trickle down economics works' myth and people believe it.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 4.46pm

Originally posted by andyg

Wrong. there is no evidence that Trickle Down economics works. Its a complete myth.

[Link]
There are so many more studies. Google trickle down economics evidence

when poor people are given money they spend it because they cant afford to save. Rich people stash it away.

[Link]

Since 1988 lower earners in developing countries are worse off than in 1988

It's the people who benefit from the status quo that perpetuate the 'trickle down economics works' myth and people believe it.

Hrolf The Ganger 05 Oct 16 4.51pm
Originally posted by andyg Wrong. there is no evidence that Trickle Down economics works. Its a complete myth. [Link] There are so many more studies. Google trickle down economics evidence when poor people are given money they spend it because they cant afford to save. Rich people stash it away. [Link] Since 1988 lower earners in developing countries are worse off than in 1988 Certainly immigration puts a downward pressure on wages which is why the puppet masters who control the EU so desperately want it to continue. But there is no way that people are worse off than 50, 100 or 200 years ago.

Hrolf The Ganger

05 Oct 16 4.51pm

Originally posted by andyg

Wrong. there is no evidence that Trickle Down economics works. Its a complete myth.

[Link]
There are so many more studies. Google trickle down economics evidence

when poor people are given money they spend it because they cant afford to save. Rich people stash it away.

[Link]

Since 1988 lower earners in developing countries are worse off than in 1988

Certainly immigration puts a downward pressure on wages which is why the puppet masters who control the EU so desperately want it to continue.

But there is no way that people are worse off than 50, 100 or 200 years ago.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 4.56pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Certainly immigration puts a downward pressure on wages which is why the puppet masters who control the EU so desperately want it to continue. But there is no way that people are worse off than 50, 100 or 200 years ago. Are immigrants pushing wages down or exploitative employers?

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 4.56pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Certainly immigration puts a downward pressure on wages which is why the puppet masters who control the EU so desperately want it to continue.

But there is no way that people are worse off than 50, 100 or 200 years ago.

Are immigrants pushing wages down or exploitative employers?

Hrolf The Ganger 05 Oct 16 4.58pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Are immigrants pushing wages down or exploitative employers? They are part of the same problem.

Hrolf The Ganger

05 Oct 16 4.58pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Are immigrants pushing wages down or exploitative employers?

They are part of the same problem.

OknotOK Cockfosters, London 05 Oct 16 5.04pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Certainly immigration puts a downward pressure on wages which is why the puppet masters who control the EU so desperately want it to continue. But there is no way that people are worse off than 50, 100 or 200 years ago. There definitely has been progress, but numerous measures show that this has slipped in the last 20 years (not all but quite a lot of them) Interesting to note that despite expectations Theresa May is promising to increase government intervention, rather than rein it in. [Link] Presumably she feels able to isolate some of the libertarian right because of the perceived weakness of the Labour opposition, but again just like with Hammond there is definitely a heavy whiff of New Labour in much of the policy she is alluding to. "It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

OknotOK

Cockfosters, London 05 Oct 16 5.04pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Certainly immigration puts a downward pressure on wages which is why the puppet masters who control the EU so desperately want it to continue.

But there is no way that people are worse off than 50, 100 or 200 years ago.

There definitely has been progress, but numerous measures show that this has slipped in the last 20 years (not all but quite a lot of them)

Interesting to note that despite expectations Theresa May is promising to increase government intervention, rather than rein it in.

[Link]

Presumably she feels able to isolate some of the libertarian right because of the perceived weakness of the Labour opposition, but again just like with Hammond there is definitely a heavy whiff of New Labour in much of the policy she is alluding to.

"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 05 Oct 16 5.21pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Seems Corbyn waited for May's speech before releasing a press statement. “Conservative Party leaders have sunk to a new low this week as they fan the flames of xenophobia and hatred in our communities and try to blame foreigners for their own failures. Edited by nickgusset (05 Oct 2016 3.39pm) This is what socialists do when we replace "xenophobia" with "envy" and "foreigners" with "people who have more" the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 05 Oct 16 5.21pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Seems Corbyn waited for May's speech before releasing a press statement.

“Conservative Party leaders have sunk to a new low this week as they fan the flames of xenophobia and hatred in our communities and try to blame foreigners for their own failures.
Edited by nickgusset (05 Oct 2016 3.39pm)

This is what socialists do when we replace "xenophobia" with "envy" and "foreigners" with "people who have more"

the dignified don't even enter in the game

elgrande bedford 05 Oct 16 5.44pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Seems Corbyn waited for May's speech before releasing a press statement. [Link] “Conservative Party leaders have sunk to a new low this week as they fan the flames of xenophobia and hatred in our communities and try to blame foreigners for their own failures. “Drawing up lists of foreign workers won’t stop unscrupulous employers undercutting wages in Britain. Shutting the door to international students won’t pay young people’s tuition fee debts, and ditching doctors from abroad won’t cut NHS waiting lists. “The Conservatives will instead foster division and discrimination in our workplaces and communities. “Once again, they are making false promises on immigration they can’t deliver. Instead of turning people against each other, ministers should take action now to deal with the real impact of migration. “They should stop the abuse of migrant labour to undercut pay and conditions, which would reduce numbers. “They should support communities with high levels of migration and they should set out a positive agenda for fair migration rules as part of the Brexit negotiations for a new relationship with the European Union.” Wonder if the papers and other media will bother to run with it... Edited by nickgusset (05 Oct 2016 3.39pm) But Corbyn wants unfeted immigration So how the hell does that help, always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 05 Oct 16 5.44pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Seems Corbyn waited for May's speech before releasing a press statement.

[Link]

“Conservative Party leaders have sunk to a new low this week as they fan the flames of xenophobia and hatred in our communities and try to blame foreigners for their own failures.

Edited by nickgusset (05 Oct 2016 3.39pm)

But Corbyn wants unfeted immigration
So how the hell does that help,

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande bedford 05 Oct 16 5.47pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Seems Corbyn waited for May's speech before releasing a press statement. [Link] “Conservative Party leaders have sunk to a new low this week as they fan the flames of xenophobia and hatred in our communities and try to blame foreigners for their own failures. “Drawing up lists of foreign workers won’t stop unscrupulous employers undercutting wages in Britain. Shutting the door to international students won’t pay young people’s tuition fee debts, and ditching doctors from abroad won’t cut NHS waiting lists. “The Conservatives will instead foster division and discrimination in our workplaces and communities. “Once again, they are making false promises on immigration they can’t deliver. Instead of turning people against each other, ministers should take action now to deal with the real impact of migration. “They should stop the abuse of migrant labour to undercut pay and conditions, which would reduce numbers. “They should support communities with high levels of migration and they should set out a positive agenda for fair migration rules as part of the Brexit negotiations for a new relationship with the European Union.” Wonder if the papers and other media will bother to run with it... Edited by nickgusset (05 Oct 2016 3.39pm) What a complete load of bullocks, but then did not expect anything else from that Islington dining set leader. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 05 Oct 16 5.47pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Seems Corbyn waited for May's speech before releasing a press statement.

[Link]

“Conservative Party leaders have sunk to a new low this week as they fan the flames of xenophobia and hatred in our communities and try to blame foreigners for their own failures.

Edited by nickgusset (05 Oct 2016 3.39pm)

What a complete load of bullocks, but then did not expect anything else from that Islington dining set leader.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 5.52pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch This is what socialists do when we replace "xenophobia" with "envy" and "foreigners" with "people who have more" Oh the old politics of envy chestnut. Usually used by those who agree with those who support those that engage in the politics of greed.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 5.52pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

This is what socialists do when we replace "xenophobia" with "envy" and "foreigners" with "people who have more"

Oh the old politics of envy chestnut.

Usually used by those who agree with those who support those that engage in the politics of greed.

Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 05 Oct 16 5.55pm
Originally posted by elgrande What a complete load of bullocks, but then did not expect anything else from that Islington dining set leader. Serious, not points scoring , question ElGrande: why is it bullocks? Specifically, I'm keen to see your reasons. Ta. Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

Mr_Gristle

In the land of Whelk Eaters 05 Oct 16 5.55pm

Originally posted by elgrande

What a complete load of bullocks, but then did not expect anything else from that Islington dining set leader.

Serious, not points scoring , question ElGrande: why is it bullocks? Specifically, I'm keen to see your reasons. Ta.

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 5.56pm
Originally posted by elgrande What a complete load of bullocks, but then did not expect anything else from that Islington dining set leader. Again a s***e baseless rebuttal that does nothing to argue against the points made. Come on you lot, Stop using daily mail bingo phrases. It's a load of old crock(ery)

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 5.56pm

Originally posted by elgrande

What a complete load of bullocks, but then did not expect anything else from that Islington dining set leader.

Again a s***e baseless rebuttal that does nothing to argue against the points made.

Come on you lot, Stop using daily mail bingo phrases.

It's a load of old crock(ery)

elgrande bedford 05 Oct 16 5.59pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Again a s***e baseless rebuttal that does nothing to argue against the points made. Come on you lot, Stop using daily mail bingo phrases. It's a load of old crock(ery) Says the man who posts links to every lefty blog there is....what is it you say nick,daily mail bingo..don't read it. But what does that out dated scruff comes out with the same old worn out record,"exploitation racism greedy bosses " BINGO always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 05 Oct 16 5.59pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Again a s***e baseless rebuttal that does nothing to argue against the points made.

Come on you lot, Stop using daily mail bingo phrases.

It's a load of old crock(ery)

Says the man who posts links to every lefty blog there is....what is it you say nick,daily mail bingo..don't read it.
But what does that out dated scruff comes out with the same old worn out record,"exploitation racism greedy bosses " BINGO

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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