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jamiemartin721  Reading 30 May 17 5.34pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
To be fair, I don't think he was being deadly serious. That said, I'm fine with punishments for families who don't take sufficient interest or care over their children's education and/or behaviour.....Singapore have laws over that. It strikes me as tragic that this even has to be considered necessary. Nothing seems to me to be as tragic as having children and not giving a s**t about their well being, education and behaviour. One up from just knocking them around.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 May 17 5.35pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I agree, but how on earth can that happen when the better lot of teachers and sharp elbowed parents get to remove themselves? The Tories and before them New Labour's slagging off of the comprehensive system just completely ignored the realities of an unfair system. People seem to forget that it was Thatch who stopped the grammar system (well almost) because a) it was a vote loser and 2) because the evidence pointed towards grammars being a bad thing.
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 Kermit8  Hevon 30 May 17 5.41pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
People seem to forget that it was Thatch who stopped the grammar system (well almost) because a) it was a vote loser and 2) because the evidence pointed towards grammars being a bad thing. Thatch didn't stop the system but she did closed the most Grammar schools as Education Secretary and was only following pr-existing Labour Gov policy which could have been, if she and other Tories had wanted to, reversed but they didn't.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 30 May 17 6.03pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
People seem to forget that it was Thatch who stopped the grammar system (well almost) because a) it was a vote loser and 2) because the evidence pointed towards grammars being a bad thing. They have forgotten it because it didn't happen. It was Wilson.
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| Stirlingsays 30 May 17 6.10pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
It strikes me as tragic that this even has to be considered necessary. Nothing seems to me to be as tragic as having children and not giving a s**t about their well being, education and behaviour. One up from just knocking them around. We are human beings and so we are all flawed. Some more so than others. Parents' evenings reveal a lot about the relationships between parents and their children. Mostly by their repeated absence. Like I say, there are a lot of great parents out there with children they are right to be proud of..You see a lot of these at parents' evening. And I just want to put out an appreciation for those particular parents who do struggle with problematic children and do put the effort and love in..frequently tough love...They aren't large in number but they dutifully turn up to parents' evening and take it on the chin...The reasons behind the problems with children aren't always simple and you come to respect those parents when you recognise that the problems can reside elsewhere. But having rightly said that.... it can't be denied...There are some others....Well, lets just say....the attitudes they push onto their children or allow them to take on without resistance....those attitudes don't help them....or the education system and hence others.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 May 17 6.38pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
We are human beings and so we are all flawed. Some more so than others. Parents' evenings reveal a lot about the relationships between parents and their children. Mostly by their repeated absence. Like I say, there are a lot of great parents out there with children they are right to be proud of..You see a lot of these at parents' evening. And I just want to put out an appreciation for those particular parents who do struggle with problematic children and do put the effort and love in..frequently tough love...They aren't large in number but they dutifully turn up to parents' evening and take it on the chin...The reasons behind the problems with children aren't always simple and you come to respect those parents when you recognise that the problems can reside elsewhere. But having rightly said that.... it can't be denied...There are some others....Well, lets just say....the attitudes they push onto their children or allow them to take on without resistance....those attitudes don't help them....or the education system and hence others.
My Mrs works in different primaries with 'difficult' children. Some of the stories she tells. It's tragic. No wonder some kids are off the wall.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 30 May 17 6.52pm |
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Originally posted by m/k mick
Finally done it, held my nose and voted tory, on my postal vote, first time ever, and i hope it is the last. For me it is just about Brexit, we are where we are, it would be in my opinion utterly stupid to start negotiations from a position of weakness, and as for a vote on the deal, what incentive would there be for the EU to offer anything of any use, when they know that a crap deal would be rejected by a vote, as for Corbyn, I agree with many of his sentiments, but leading my country, i dont think so, then there is Abbott, what a disaster, what have they done to the Labour party I think many electors will feel just the same way. I share your sentiments.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 30 May 17 7.03pm |
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Originally posted by m/k mick
Finally done it, held my nose and voted tory, on my postal vote, first time ever, and i hope it is the last. For me it is just about Brexit, we are where we are, it would be in my opinion utterly stupid to start negotiations from a position of weakness, and as for a vote on the deal, what incentive would there be for the EU to offer anything of any use, when they know that a crap deal would be rejected by a vote, as for Corbyn, I agree with many of his sentiments, but leading my country, i dont think so, then there is Abbott, what a disaster, what have they done to the Labour party We have no choice now, unfortunately. That was assured last June. The EU holds the aces. There's 26 of them and 1 of us.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 May 17 7.03pm |
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Originally posted by m/k mick
Finally done it, held my nose and voted tory, on my postal vote, first time ever, and i hope it is the last. For me it is just about Brexit, we are where we are, it would be in my opinion utterly stupid to start negotiations from a position of weakness, and as for a vote on the deal, what incentive would there be for the EU to offer anything of any use, when they know that a crap deal would be rejected by a vote, as for Corbyn, I agree with many of his sentiments, but leading my country, i dont think so, then there is Abbott, what a disaster, what have they done to the Labour party So you voted for more austerity, less money on schools, cuts to frontline services and favours for mps that sit on the boards that 'do well' out of privatisation and government contracts.
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| elgrande bedford 30 May 17 7.06pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
My Mrs works in different primaries with 'difficult' children. Some of the stories she tells. It's tragic. No wonder some kids are off the wall. Wow,another dig. Kids having kids are a bigger problem...vicious circles.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 30 May 17 7.19pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Wow,another dig. Kids having kids are a bigger problem...vicious circles. What we have had, since the 1980's specifically, is pretty much a broken society in many parts of the UK where once jobs and strong community were plentiful. Past and present governments do have to take their fair share of the blame in helping to create social vacuums in places where the chav culture, ignorance, and asbos evolved and became the norm. There have always been terrible parents of course but it would help the country as a whole if we introduced social policies toward a future where they are decreasing in number decade by decade.
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| Stirlingsays 30 May 17 7.28pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
What we have had, since the 1980's specifically, is pretty much a broken society in many parts of the UK where once jobs and strong community were plentiful. Past and present governments do have to take their fair share of the blame in helping to create social vacuums in places where the chav culture, ignorance, and asbos evolved and became the norm. There have always been terrible parents of course but it would help the country as a whole if we introduced social policies toward a future where they are decreasing in number decade by decade. Before the eighties society wasn't broken?....look who is romanticizing now.
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 30 May 17 7.31pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
There are multiple examples on here that would discredit this assertion. I'm not the first to have pointed it out. We are all waiting for your next reply in relation to name calling ?????
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| Stirlingsays 30 May 17 7.31pm |
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Originally posted by m/k mick
Nick gussett, I may well have done what you suggest, but my reluctant conclusion is that at this moment in time, a weak government negotiating with the EU would cause much more austerity etc etc, this vote is about Brexit unfortunately, everything else is a side show, i cannot hand on heart vote for this present Labour party, and that hurts Ultimately you did the right thing. This is a Brexit election......Labour are supplicants to the EU...I mean listen to defeatist Kermy there....They have no one there with the leadership and talent of Davies for this job.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 May 17 7.34pm |
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Originally posted by m/k mick
Nick gussett, I may well have done what you suggest, but my reluctant conclusion is that at this moment in time, a weak government negotiating with the EU would cause much more austerity etc etc, this vote is about Brexit unfortunately, everything else is a side show, i cannot hand on heart vote for this present Labour party, and that hurts Fair enough. I respect that. But I'd rather someone negotiating that is calm under pressure. May has shown herself to be a chocolate teapot too often IMHO. There's only 1 t in Gusset.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 30 May 17 7.36pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Before the eighties society wasn't broken?....look who is romanticizing now. Well, we didn't have 3.25mill unemployed as we did in 1983, did we? Youngsters, especially in the industrial heartlands, in the 60's and 70's had apprenticeships, jobs and/or further education to look forward to. A lot of those towns and villages were laid to waste economically once Thatcher got in. Fast forward a few years from 1979 and then we have the Chav culture introducing itself to the U.K. Delightful.
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| elgrande bedford 30 May 17 7.37pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
What we have had, since the 1980's specifically, is pretty much a broken society in many parts of the UK where once jobs and strong community were plentiful. Past and present governments do have to take their fair share of the blame in helping to create social vacuums in places where the chav culture, ignorance, and asbos evolved and became the norm. There have always been terrible parents of course but it would help the country as a whole if we introduced social policies toward a future where they are decreasing in number decade by decade. I do take your point kerms,but good parenting and social skills is something that should be handed down through the generations of the family. I don't think it should have any thing to do with how well off you are. And to ensure honest some of the people who I know are a bit "posh" are complete knobs.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 30 May 17 7.39pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Ultimately you did the right thing. This is a Brexit election......Labour are supplicants to the EU...I mean listen to defeatist Kermy there....They have no one there with the leadership and talent of Davies for this job. You carry on with your Uri Gelleresque 'airhead thinking powers' to defeat on the ground reality. Maybe the EU could be put into a trance to give us what we want.
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