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legaleagle 30 May 17 7.40pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Before the eighties society wasn't broken?....look who is romanticizing now. The breakdown, at the very least, gained considerable momentum following Maggie's pronouncement that "there is no such thing as society" and her government's promulgation of policies and philosophies in accord with that sentiment...

legaleagle

30 May 17 7.40pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Before the eighties society wasn't broken?....look who is romanticizing now.

The breakdown, at the very least, gained considerable momentum following Maggie's pronouncement that "there is no such thing as society" and her government's promulgation of policies and philosophies in accord with that sentiment...

Stirlingsays 30 May 17 7.44pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 You carry on with your Uri Gelleresque 'airhead thinking powers' to defeat on the ground reality. Maybe the EU could be put into a trance to give us what we want. Yeah, the bloke to slagged off the vote for independence from the EU on the grounds of it being economically risky but who himself supported Scottish independence in their referendum....Despite their own obvious economic risks. Kermit you are a hypocrite. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 May 2017 7.45pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

30 May 17 7.44pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

You carry on with your Uri Gelleresque 'airhead thinking powers' to defeat on the ground reality. Maybe the EU could be put into a trance to give us what we want.

Yeah, the bloke to slagged off the vote for independence from the EU on the grounds of it being economically risky but who himself supported Scottish independence in their referendum....Despite their own obvious economic risks.

Kermit you are a hypocrite.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 May 2017 7.45pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

legaleagle 30 May 17 7.45pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Ultimately you did the right thing. ....They have no one there with the leadership and talent of Davies for this job. That's a myth...Keir Starmer (whom I've seen close up at work) is IMHO a very clever,able and tough cookie indeed who knows how to handle the realpolitik of negotiating...David Davies by comparison comes across as about as able as Claude Davis in relation to Sakho.

legaleagle

30 May 17 7.45pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Ultimately you did the right thing.

....They have no one there with the leadership and talent of Davies for this job.

That's a myth...Keir Starmer (whom I've seen close up at work) is IMHO a very clever,able and tough cookie indeed who knows how to handle the realpolitik of negotiating...David Davies by comparison comes across as about as able as Claude Davis in relation to Sakho.

Kermit8 Hevon 30 May 17 7.49pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yeah, the bloke to slagged off the vote for independence from the EU on the grounds of it being economically risky but who himself supported Scottish independence in their referendum....Despite their own obvious economic risks. Kermit you are a hypocrite. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 May 2017 7.45pm) I didn't...sorry to poop on your 'hypocrisy' party....but now I do if the iniquituos Hard Right Tories are taking over which it looking more and more likely. No point in both countries being ruined by the same destructive force is there? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 30 May 17 7.49pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah, the bloke to slagged off the vote for independence from the EU on the grounds of it being economically risky but who himself supported Scottish independence in their referendum....Despite their own obvious economic risks.

Kermit you are a hypocrite.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 May 2017 7.45pm)

I didn't...sorry to poop on your 'hypocrisy' party....but now I do if the iniquituos Hard Right Tories are taking over which it looking more and more likely. No point in both countries being ruined by the same destructive force is there?

Big chest and massive boobs

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Stirlingsays 30 May 17 7.49pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Well, we didn't have 3.25mill unemployed as we did in 1983, did we? Youngsters, especially in the industrial heartlands, in the 60's and 70's had apprenticeships, jobs and/or further education to look forward to. A lot of those towns and villages were laid to waste economically once Thatcher got in. Fast forward a few years from 1979 and then we have the Chav culture introducing itself to the U.K. Delightful. There were many many problems before Thatcher...for sure she applied economic medicine that harmed the lower classes definitely. It also saved the country from being another Spain and at a time we were the sick man of Europe. As for blaming Thatcher for cultural ills. Like I say you accuse me of romanticizing then later the same day I find you doing it yourself. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 May 2017 7.50pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

30 May 17 7.49pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Well, we didn't have 3.25mill unemployed as we did in 1983, did we? Youngsters, especially in the industrial heartlands, in the 60's and 70's had apprenticeships, jobs and/or further education to look forward to.

A lot of those towns and villages were laid to waste economically once Thatcher got in. Fast forward a few years from 1979 and then we have the Chav culture introducing itself to the U.K. Delightful.

There were many many problems before Thatcher...for sure she applied economic medicine that harmed the lower classes definitely. It also saved the country from being another Spain and at a time we were the sick man of Europe.

As for blaming Thatcher for cultural ills.

Like I say you accuse me of romanticizing then later the same day I find you doing it yourself.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 May 2017 7.50pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 30 May 17 7.53pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 I didn't...sorry to poop on your 'hypocrisy' party....but now I do if the iniquituos Hard Right Tories are taking over which it looking more and more likely. No point in both countries being ruined by the same destructive force is there? You are either a liar or again....romanticizing your past and forgetting. You definitely made posts saying you came down on the side of Scottish independence. I distinctly remember it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

30 May 17 7.53pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

You are either a liar or again....romanticizing your past and forgetting.

You definitely made posts saying you came down on the side of Scottish independence. I distinctly remember it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Kermit8 Hevon 30 May 17 7.53pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays There were many many problems before Thatcher...for sure she applied economic medicine that harmed the lower classes definitely. It also saved the country from being another Spain and at a time we were the sick man of Europe. As for blaming Thatcher for cultural ills. Like I say you accuse me of romanticizing then later the same day I find you doing it yourself. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 May 2017 7.50pm) At least i stick to historical facts and am not reliant on imagined lore emanating from one's bonce for perspective. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 30 May 17 7.53pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

As for blaming Thatcher for cultural ills.

Like I say you accuse me of romanticizing then later the same day I find you doing it yourself.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 May 2017 7.50pm)

At least i stick to historical facts and am not reliant on imagined lore emanating from one's bonce for perspective.

Big chest and massive boobs

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matt_himself Matataland 30 May 17 7.54pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Well, we didn't have 3.25mill unemployed as we did in 1983, did we? Youngsters, especially in the industrial heartlands, in the 60's and 70's had apprenticeships, jobs and/or further education to look forward to. A lot of those towns and villages were laid to waste economically once Thatcher got in. Fast forward a few years from 1979 and then we have the Chav culture introducing itself to the U.K. Delightful. Why do th elect sneer at the white working class, in the manner of above? "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 30 May 17 7.54pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

A lot of those towns and villages were laid to waste economically once Thatcher got in. Fast forward a few years from 1979 and then we have the Chav culture introducing itself to the U.K. Delightful.

Why do th elect sneer at the white working class, in the manner of above?

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself Matataland 30 May 17 7.56pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You are either a liar or again....romanticizing your past and forgetting. You definitely made posts saying you came down on the side of Scottish independence. I distinctly remember it. He did. Remember Stirling, everything is Thatchers fault. Before Thatch, Britain was a glorious, stable, economically sustainable and fully functioning country. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 30 May 17 7.56pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You are either a liar or again....romanticizing your past and forgetting.

You definitely made posts saying you came down on the side of Scottish independence. I distinctly remember it.

He did. Remember Stirling, everything is Thatchers fault. Before Thatch, Britain was a glorious, stable, economically sustainable and fully functioning country.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Stirlingsays 30 May 17 7.56pm
Originally posted by legaleagle That's a myth...Keir Starmer (whom I've seen close up at work) is IMHO a very clever,able and tough cookie indeed who knows how to handle the realpolitik of negotiating...David Davies by comparison comes across as about as able as Claude Davis in relation to Sakho. Sorry legal but I wouldn't trust your ability to judge a marrow competition let alone who is the best person to negotiate Brexit. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

30 May 17 7.56pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Sorry legal but I wouldn't trust your ability to judge a marrow competition let alone who is the best person to negotiate Brexit.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Kermit8 Hevon 30 May 17 7.56pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You are either a liar or again....romanticizing your past and forgetting. You definitely made posts saying you came down on the side of Scottish independence. I distinctly remember it. No, I didn't. I said numerous times I was 'not bothered either way'. The only time I cam eoff the fence was a 'fvck it, go for it then' tongue-in cheek remark in response to a mad rant from from one of the Right ranters on here. It may even have been you I am 100% sure of it. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 30 May 17 7.56pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You are either a liar or again....romanticizing your past and forgetting.

You definitely made posts saying you came down on the side of Scottish independence. I distinctly remember it.

No, I didn't. I said numerous times I was 'not bothered either way'. The only time I cam eoff the fence was a 'fvck it, go for it then' tongue-in cheek remark in response to a mad rant from from one of the Right ranters on here. It may even have been you

I am 100% sure of it.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Hrolf The Ganger 30 May 17 8.02pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Sorry legal but I wouldn't trust your ability to judge a marrow competition let alone who is the best person to negotiate Brexit.

Hrolf The Ganger

30 May 17 8.02pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Sorry legal but I wouldn't trust your ability to judge a marrow competition let alone who is the best person to negotiate Brexit.

Stirlingsays 30 May 17 8.07pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 At least i stick to historical facts and am not reliant on imagined lore emanating from one's bonce for perspective. Na...actually I think 'imagined lore' is a good phrase and precisely what you can be accused of. Still, whatever...I'm fed up with having a go at you. You aren't that bad....for someone naming themselves after a muppet. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 May 2017 8.07pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

30 May 17 8.07pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

At least i stick to historical facts and am not reliant on imagined lore emanating from one's bonce for perspective.

Na...actually I think 'imagined lore' is a good phrase and precisely what you can be accused of.

Still, whatever...I'm fed up with having a go at you.

You aren't that bad....for someone naming themselves after a muppet.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 May 2017 8.07pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Kermit8 Hevon 30 May 17 8.09pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Na...actually I think 'imagined lore' is a good phrase and precisely what you can be accused of. Still, whatever...I'm fed up with having a go at you. You aren't that bad....for someone naming themselves after a muppet. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 May 2017 8.07pm) No, it's absolutely fine. Have a go all you want. I find it entertaining. Like being shouted at with 'philosophy' by a drunk in a doorway Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 30 May 17 8.09pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Na...actually I think 'imagined lore' is a good phrase and precisely what you can be accused of.

Still, whatever...I'm fed up with having a go at you.

You aren't that bad....for someone naming themselves after a muppet.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 May 2017 8.07pm)

No, it's absolutely fine. Have a go all you want. I find it entertaining. Like being shouted at with 'philosophy' by a drunk in a doorway

Big chest and massive boobs

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Hrolf The Ganger 30 May 17 8.11pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Well, we didn't have 3.25mill unemployed as we did in 1983, did we? Youngsters, especially in the industrial heartlands, in the 60's and 70's had apprenticeships, jobs and/or further education to look forward to. A lot of those towns and villages were laid to waste economically once Thatcher got in. Fast forward a few years from 1979 and then we have the Chav culture introducing itself to the U.K. Delightful. But we did have overmanning, strikes every week, ridiculous pay rises, laughable productivity, poor quality manufacturing, failing public services all resulting in our reputation of being the sick man of Europe. Thatcher saved us from all that and even then she was against privatisations. And you can't really believe that Chavs started with Thatcher. There have always been scumbags since I can remember. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (30 May 2017 8.14pm)

Hrolf The Ganger

30 May 17 8.11pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

A lot of those towns and villages were laid to waste economically once Thatcher got in. Fast forward a few years from 1979 and then we have the Chav culture introducing itself to the U.K. Delightful.

But we did have overmanning, strikes every week, ridiculous pay rises, laughable productivity, poor quality manufacturing, failing public services all resulting in our reputation of being the sick man of Europe.
Thatcher saved us from all that and even then she was against privatisations.

And you can't really believe that Chavs started with Thatcher. There have always been scumbags since I can remember.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (30 May 2017 8.14pm)

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 May 17 8.12pm
Originally posted by elgrande Wow,another dig. FFS it's not the governments fault there s*** n loads of terrible parents out there. Kids having kids are a bigger problem...vicious circles. They have had no advice from their parents,so they don't know how to give advice. We can't say the kids are at fault because they witnessed domestic violence or suffered from neglect or there is an issue with alcohol or drugs. Maybe the kid is a primary carer for their parent. More prevalent than you'd think. Mentioning that budget cuts do nothing to alleviate or break the vicious circle you allude to (quite correctly) nor does a pish poor social services because what staff are left are massively overstretched is not point scoring. It's a fact that needs to be faced and dealt with by whoever is in Government. At the moment it's not far from breaking point.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 30 May 17 8.12pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Wow,another dig.
FFS it's not the governments fault there s*** n loads of terrible parents out there.

Kids having kids are a bigger problem...vicious circles.
They have had no advice from their parents,so they don't know how to give advice.

We can't say the kids are at fault because they witnessed domestic violence or suffered from neglect or there is an issue with alcohol or drugs. Maybe the kid is a primary carer for their parent. More prevalent than you'd think.

Mentioning that budget cuts do nothing to alleviate or break the vicious circle you allude to (quite correctly) nor does a pish poor social services because what staff are left are massively overstretched is not point scoring. It's a fact that needs to be faced and dealt with by whoever is in Government. At the moment it's not far from breaking point.

matt_himself Matataland 30 May 17 8.14pm
Originally posted by legaleagle That's a myth...Keir Starmer (whom I've seen close up at work) is IMHO a very clever,able and tough cookie indeed who knows how to handle the realpolitik of negotiating...David Davies by comparison comes across as about as able as Claude Davis in relation to Sakho. Rumpole, Starmer, whilst a very effective barrister, would have his trousers removed and be assuming the position before he even realised what was going on, if he was in Brussels. This is politics, not the ordered, genteel, Old Bailey. Tusk and Drunker would rip him new one. Davis is a warhorse. Not elegant but bloody effective in the right circumstances. Why have you got such a boner for Kier? "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 30 May 17 8.14pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Rumpole, Starmer, whilst a very effective barrister, would have his trousers removed and be assuming the position before he even realised what was going on, if he was in Brussels.

This is politics, not the ordered, genteel, Old Bailey. Tusk and Drunker would rip him new one. Davis is a warhorse. Not elegant but bloody effective in the right circumstances.

Why have you got such a boner for Kier?

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Hrolf The Ganger 30 May 17 8.16pm
Originally posted by nickgusset We can't say the kids are at fault because they witnessed domestic violence or suffered from neglect or there is an issue with alcohol or drugs. Maybe the kid is a primary carer for their parent. More prevalent than you'd think. Mentioning that budget cuts do nothing to alleviate or break the vicious circle you allude to (quite correctly) nor does a pish poor social services because what staff are left are massively overstretched is not point scoring. It's a fact that needs to be faced and dealt with by whoever is in Government. At the moment it's not far from breaking point. Labour did nothing to fix any of this so why keep on about it?

Hrolf The Ganger

30 May 17 8.16pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Labour did nothing to fix any of this so why keep on about it?

hedgehog50 Croydon 30 May 17 8.18pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Fair enough. I respect that. But I'd rather someone negotiating that is calm under pressure. May has shown herself to be a chocolate teapot too often IMHO. There's only 1 t in Gusset. He wasn't that calm on Radio 4 this morning when he didn't have a clue as to how much his latest 'let's buy some more votes with some benefit promises' pitch would cost. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 30 May 17 8.18pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Fair enough. I respect that. But I'd rather someone negotiating that is calm under pressure. May has shown herself to be a chocolate teapot too often IMHO.

There's only 1 t in Gusset.

He wasn't that calm on Radio 4 this morning when he didn't have a clue as to how much his latest 'let's buy some more votes with some benefit promises' pitch would cost.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 May 17 8.21pm
Originally posted by susmik We are all waiting for your next reply in relation to name calling ????? I'm not.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 30 May 17 8.21pm

Originally posted by susmik

We are all waiting for your next reply in relation to name calling ?????

I'm not.

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