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elgrande bedford 30 May 17 9.08pm
Originally posted by nickgusset We can't say the kids are at fault because they witnessed domestic violence or suffered from neglect or there is an issue with alcohol or drugs. Maybe the kid is a primary carer for their parent. More prevalent than you'd think. Mentioning that budget cuts do nothing to alleviate or break the vicious circle you allude to (quite correctly) nor does a pish poor social services because what staff are left are massively overstretched is not point scoring. It's a fact that needs to be faced and dealt with by whoever is in Government. At the moment it's not far from breaking point. Well for one social services have struggled for years and years,so you can't just blame this government for that. And I appreciate that a lot n of kids have problem parents,my father was an alcoholic. But he still taught me manners. So it doesn't always mean the kids are gonna be bad. But it doesn't alter the fact there are more children having children most with stupid names who have no idea how to deal with kids. And blame schools,teachers,and every body else for their own failures. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 30 May 17 9.08pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

We can't say the kids are at fault because they witnessed domestic violence or suffered from neglect or there is an issue with alcohol or drugs. Maybe the kid is a primary carer for their parent. More prevalent than you'd think.

Mentioning that budget cuts do nothing to alleviate or break the vicious circle you allude to (quite correctly) nor does a pish poor social services because what staff are left are massively overstretched is not point scoring. It's a fact that needs to be faced and dealt with by whoever is in Government. At the moment it's not far from breaking point.

Well for one social services have struggled for years and years,so you can't just blame this government for that.
And I appreciate that a lot n of kids have problem parents,my father was an alcoholic.
But he still taught me manners.
So it doesn't always mean the kids are gonna be bad.
But it doesn't alter the fact there are more children having children most with stupid names who have no idea how to deal with kids.
And blame schools,teachers,and every body else for their own failures.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 May 17 9.55pm
Originally posted by elgrande Well for one social services have struggled for years and years,so you can't just blame this government for that. And I appreciate that a lot n of kids have problem parents,my father was an alcoholic. But he still taught me manners. So it doesn't always mean the kids are gonna be bad. But it doesn't alter the fact there are more children having children most with stupid names who have no idea how to deal with kids. And blame schools,teachers,and every body else for their own failures. In the 15 years I taught , I met about 6 parents / sets of parents like that.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 30 May 17 9.55pm

Originally posted by elgrande

In the 15 years I taught , I met about 6 parents / sets of parents like that.

elgrande bedford 30 May 17 9.59pm
Originally posted by nickgusset In the 15 years I taught , I met about 6 parents / sets of parents like that. Well you must be lucky then,because there are great swathes of them all over the country. I live in a village,and there is 3 families like it here. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 30 May 17 9.59pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

In the 15 years I taught , I met about 6 parents / sets of parents like that.

Well you must be lucky then,because there are great swathes of them all over the country.
I live in a village,and there is 3 families like it here.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

serial thriller The Promised Land 30 May 17 10.18pm
Originally posted by matt_himself Rumpole, Starmer, whilst a very effective barrister, would have his trousers removed and be assuming the position before he even realised what was going on, if he was in Brussels. This is politics, not the ordered, genteel, Old Bailey. Tusk and Drunker would rip him new one. Davis is a warhorse. Not elegant but bloody effective in the right circumstances. Why have you got such a boner for Kier? Out of interest, what do you base your belief in Davis' skills in diplomacy on? The only thing I really remember him ever doing is getting his arse handed to him by Cameron in the leadership election... If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

serial thriller

The Promised Land 30 May 17 10.18pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Rumpole, Starmer, whilst a very effective barrister, would have his trousers removed and be assuming the position before he even realised what was going on, if he was in Brussels.

This is politics, not the ordered, genteel, Old Bailey. Tusk and Drunker would rip him new one. Davis is a warhorse. Not elegant but bloody effective in the right circumstances.

Why have you got such a boner for Kier?

Out of interest, what do you base your belief in Davis' skills in diplomacy on?

The only thing I really remember him ever doing is getting his arse handed to him by Cameron in the leadership election...

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

legaleagle 30 May 17 10.23pm
Originally posted by matt_himself Rumpole, Starmer, whilst a very effective barrister, would have his trousers removed and be assuming the position before he even realised what was going on, if he was in Brussels. This is politics, not the ordered, genteel, Old Bailey. Tusk and Drunker would rip him new one. Davis is a warhorse. Not elegant but bloody effective in the right circumstances. Why have you got such a boner for Kier? I suspect the more pertinent question might be,are you actually aware you have no idea what you are talking about? The Bar is a tried and tested preparation for good politicians.For example,22% of Conservative MP's have a legal background. Plus Starmer has been DPP and head of the CPS,a distinctly ungenteel job. I suspect he would in fact take your boy Mr D to pieces in a brain and nous not bluster and brawn contest that wouldn't go the distance.. That's the same DD who showed his political talents by losing a Tory leadership campaign he was favourite to win in 2005 by running a naff campaign epitomised by a picture with two women wearing tight T-shirts saying: “It’s DD for me.” Having worked at the House of Commons and as a lawyer,I might be reasonably placed to venture the opinion (just an opinion)that the Bar is every bit as tough and mucky a cesspit for "operators" to succeed in as parliament. Any meaningful resemblance between Rumpole (set 30 plus years ago anyway)and day to day litigation lawyer life exists IMHO only in the minds of those who engage in fantasy based on reading novels and/or watching TV. Have you ever actually worked as/at either? Edited by legaleagle (30 May 2017 10.43pm)

legaleagle

30 May 17 10.23pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Rumpole, Starmer, whilst a very effective barrister, would have his trousers removed and be assuming the position before he even realised what was going on, if he was in Brussels.

This is politics, not the ordered, genteel, Old Bailey. Tusk and Drunker would rip him new one. Davis is a warhorse. Not elegant but bloody effective in the right circumstances.

Why have you got such a boner for Kier?

I suspect the more pertinent question might be,are you actually aware you have no idea what you are talking about? The Bar is a tried and tested preparation for good politicians.For example,22% of Conservative MP's have a legal background. Plus Starmer has been DPP and head of the CPS,a distinctly ungenteel job.

I suspect he would in fact take your boy Mr D to pieces in a brain and nous not bluster and brawn contest that wouldn't go the distance..

That's the same DD who showed his political talents by losing a Tory leadership campaign he was favourite to win in 2005 by running a naff campaign epitomised by a picture with two women wearing tight T-shirts saying: “It’s DD for me.”

Having worked at the House of Commons and as a lawyer,I might be reasonably placed to venture the opinion (just an opinion)that the Bar is every bit as tough and mucky a cesspit for "operators" to succeed in as parliament. Any meaningful resemblance between Rumpole (set 30 plus years ago anyway)and day to day litigation lawyer life exists IMHO only in the minds of those who engage in fantasy based on reading novels and/or watching TV.

Have you ever actually worked as/at either?

Edited by legaleagle (30 May 2017 10.43pm)

serial thriller The Promised Land 30 May 17 10.40pm
Obviously we shouldn't read too much in to these things but... A Yougov poll now has the Tories failing to get a majority. Hard to imagine anyone would jump in to bed with them on the manifesto they've got, so... Corbyn 4 No.10? If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

serial thriller

The Promised Land 30 May 17 10.40pm

Obviously we shouldn't read too much in to these things but...

A Yougov poll now has the Tories failing to get a majority. Hard to imagine anyone would jump in to bed with them on the manifesto they've got, so...

Corbyn 4 No.10?

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

Mapletree Croydon 30 May 17 10.54pm
Is it me or is Jezza coming across a bit less barmy recently? I predict a big turnout and much tactical voting. Would serve Terehhsa right if her nipping out for a cheeky snap election backfired Edited by Mapletree (30 May 2017 10.55pm)

Mapletree

Croydon 30 May 17 10.54pm

Is it me or is Jezza coming across a bit less barmy recently? I predict a big turnout and much tactical voting. Would serve Terehhsa right if her nipping out for a cheeky snap election backfired

Edited by Mapletree (30 May 2017 10.55pm)

legaleagle 30 May 17 11.05pm
Its almost like the whole election is following a standard mid-term by-election pattern. I think his team are running a good campaign and he's in his element campaigning setting more of his own agenda ,and where election law requires an equal platform on TV neutralising an incumbent government's usual advantage....and people are perhaps realising that for all his faults its a bit naff that he gets monstered so regularly by much of the press whereas the singularly uninspiring Mrs May, who has at least as many faults if not many more, doesn't. Also,the Tories strategy of making it a Brexit election hasn't worked. Brexit ain't an issue for many now since they take it as a given.To the extent many (non fundamentalists) want it,they don't necessarily want a hard Brexit, Expect Lynton Crosby to get seriously down and dirty in the next 9 days.

legaleagle

30 May 17 11.05pm

Its almost like the whole election is following a standard mid-term by-election pattern.

I think his team are running a good campaign and he's in his element campaigning setting more of his own agenda ,and where election law requires an equal platform on TV neutralising an incumbent government's usual advantage....and people are perhaps realising that for all his faults its a bit naff that he gets monstered so regularly by much of the press whereas the singularly uninspiring Mrs May, who has at least as many faults if not many more, doesn't.

Also,the Tories strategy of making it a Brexit election hasn't worked. Brexit ain't an issue for many now since they take it as a given.To the extent many (non fundamentalists) want it,they don't necessarily want a hard Brexit,

Expect Lynton Crosby to get seriously down and dirty in the next 9 days.

legaleagle 30 May 17 11.10pm
More evidence of DD's Euro negotiator qualifications (from July 2016): "The Tory MP David Davis has been made Minister for Brexit, Theresa May revealed last night. But he doesn’t seem to know how EU trade deals are negotiated. A few weeks ago, during the EU Referendum, he posted a series of tweets arguing for Britain to leave the EU and then negotiating deals with the major EU countries. David Davis ✔ @DavidDavisMP The first calling point of the UK's negotiator immediately after #Brexit will not be Brussels, it will be Berlin, to strike a deal 10:50 AM - 26 May 2016 David Davis ✔ @DavidDavisMP (1/3) Post #Brexit a UK-German deal would include free access for their cars and industrial goods, in exchange for a deal on everything else 10:50 AM - 26 May 2016 David Davis ✔ @DavidDavisMP (2/3) Similar deals would be reached with other key EU nations 10:50 AM - 26 May 2016 There’s one major problem with this – EU countries by law cannot negotiate bilateral trade deals with countries. ...we have a Brexit minister who doesn’t understand EU law"

legaleagle

30 May 17 11.10pm

More evidence of DD's Euro negotiator qualifications (from July 2016):

"The Tory MP David Davis has been made Minister for Brexit, Theresa May revealed last night.

But he doesn’t seem to know how EU trade deals are negotiated.

A few weeks ago, during the EU Referendum, he posted a series of tweets arguing for Britain to leave the EU and then negotiating deals with the major EU countries.

David Davis ✔ @DavidDavisMP
The first calling point of the UK's negotiator immediately after #Brexit will not be Brussels, it will be Berlin, to strike a deal
10:50 AM - 26 May 2016

David Davis ✔ @DavidDavisMP
(1/3) Post #Brexit a UK-German deal would include free access for their cars and industrial goods, in exchange for a deal on everything else
10:50 AM - 26 May 2016

David Davis ✔ @DavidDavisMP
(2/3) Similar deals would be reached with other key EU nations
10:50 AM - 26 May 2016

There’s one major problem with this – EU countries by law cannot negotiate bilateral trade deals with countries.

...we have a Brexit minister who doesn’t understand EU law"

elgrande bedford 30 May 17 11.14pm
Originally posted by legaleagle I suspect the more pertinent question might be,are you actually aware you have no idea what you are talking about? The Bar is a tried and tested preparation for good politicians.For example,22% of Conservative MP's have a legal background. Plus Starmer has been DPP and head of the CPS,a distinctly ungenteel job. I suspect he would in fact take your boy Mr D to pieces in a brain and nous not bluster and brawn contest that wouldn't go the distance.. That's the same DD who showed his political talents by losing a Tory leadership campaign he was favourite to win in 2005 by running a naff campaign epitomised by a picture with two women wearing tight T-shirts saying: “It’s DD for me.” Having worked at the House of Commons and as a lawyer,I might be reasonably placed to venture the opinion (just an opinion)that the Bar is every bit as tough and mucky a cesspit for "operators" to succeed in as parliament. Any meaningful resemblance between Rumpole (set 30 plus years ago anyway)and day to day litigation lawyer life exists IMHO only in the minds of those who engage in fantasy based on reading novels and/or watching TV. Have you ever actually worked as/at either? Edited by legaleagle (30 May 2017 10.43pm) Yes as head. Of the cps,he's had to make some tough decisions,like denying the families of the Hyde Park bombing victims legal aid time and time again. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 30 May 17 11.14pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

I suspect he would in fact take your boy Mr D to pieces in a brain and nous not bluster and brawn contest that wouldn't go the distance..

Have you ever actually worked as/at either?

Edited by legaleagle (30 May 2017 10.43pm)

Yes as head. Of the cps,he's had to make some tough decisions,like denying the families of the Hyde Park bombing victims legal aid time and time again.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 May 17 11.19pm
Originally posted by elgrande Yes as head. Of the cps,he's had to make some tough decisions,like denying the families of the Hyde Park bombing victims legal aid time and time again. How much is legal aid now. Used to be you could take your boss/company to tribunal. Now you need 1.8 k to stump up in case you lose.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 30 May 17 11.19pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Yes as head. Of the cps,he's had to make some tough decisions,like denying the families of the Hyde Park bombing victims legal aid time and time again.

How much is legal aid now. Used to be you could take your boss/company to tribunal. Now you need 1.8 k to stump up in case you lose.

elgrande bedford 30 May 17 11.23pm
Originally posted by nickgusset How much is legal aid now. Used to be you could take your boss/company to tribunal. Now you need 1.8 k to stump up in case you lose. They have been trying for years,but to no avail. But 200 million on the bloody sunday inquiry is ok. They want to bring a private prosecution to the man responsible for it.(he's walking about free because of blair). always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 30 May 17 11.23pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

How much is legal aid now. Used to be you could take your boss/company to tribunal. Now you need 1.8 k to stump up in case you lose.

They have been trying for years,but to no avail.

But 200 million on the bloody sunday inquiry is ok.

They want to bring a private prosecution to the man responsible for it.(he's walking about free because of blair).

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 May 17 11.39pm
Originally posted by elgrande They have been trying for years,but to no avail. But 200 million on the bloody sunday inquiry is ok. They want to bring a private prosecution to the man responsible for it.(he's walking about free because of blair). Crowdfund it.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 30 May 17 11.39pm

Originally posted by elgrande

They have been trying for years,but to no avail.

But 200 million on the bloody sunday inquiry is ok.

They want to bring a private prosecution to the man responsible for it.(he's walking about free because of blair).

Crowdfund it.

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 30 May 17 11.41pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Is it me or is Jezza coming across a bit less barmy recently? I predict a big turnout and much tactical voting. Would serve Terehhsa right if her nipping out for a cheeky snap election backfired Edited by Mapletree (30 May 2017 10.55pm) He's still off the Richter scale for barminess. He has a very, very murky past in terms of what he's said and the company he's kept and you can guarantee that the electorate won't be allowed to forget it. He has as much chance of getting into No. 10 as you or I have. Probably less. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 30 May 17 11.41pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Is it me or is Jezza coming across a bit less barmy recently? I predict a big turnout and much tactical voting. Would serve Terehhsa right if her nipping out for a cheeky snap election backfired

Edited by Mapletree (30 May 2017 10.55pm)

He's still off the Richter scale for barminess. He has a very, very murky past in terms of what he's said and the company he's kept and you can guarantee that the electorate won't be allowed to forget it. He has as much chance of getting into No. 10 as you or I have. Probably less.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

elgrande bedford 30 May 17 11.41pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Crowdfund it. That's what they have been doing i believe, but the point is they shouldn't have to.... always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 30 May 17 11.41pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Crowdfund it.

That's what they have been doing i believe, but the point is they shouldn't have to....

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

legaleagle 30 May 17 11.47pm
Originally posted by elgrande Yes as head. Of the cps,he's had to make some tough decisions,like denying the families of the Hyde Park bombing victims legal aid time and time again. Only one (though major) problem with your analysis.. The decision was taken by the Legal Aid Agency which has zilch to do with the CPS. Most likely explanation for the decision is massive cuts in eligibility for legal aid since 2010..

legaleagle

30 May 17 11.47pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Yes as head. Of the cps,he's had to make some tough decisions,like denying the families of the Hyde Park bombing victims legal aid time and time again.

Only one (though major) problem with your analysis..

The decision was taken by the Legal Aid Agency which has zilch to do with the CPS.

Most likely explanation for the decision is massive cuts in eligibility for legal aid since 2010..

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 31 May 17 12.43am
Originally posted by elgrande That's what they have been doing i believe, but the point is they shouldn't have to.... What's the reason given for not allowing it?

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 31 May 17 12.43am

Originally posted by elgrande

That's what they have been doing i believe, but the point is they shouldn't have to....

What's the reason given for not allowing it?

serial thriller The Promised Land 31 May 17 1.25am
Originally posted by Cucking Funt He's still off the Richter scale for barminess. He has a very, very murky past in terms of what he's said and the company he's kept and you can guarantee that the electorate won't be allowed to forget it. He has as much chance of getting into No. 10 as you or I have. Probably less. [Link] Down to around 3/1 in the bookies. What odds on you CF? Corbyn seems to have picked up a Trump like head of steam now. No matter what s*** they fling at him, he is coming through unscathed. Will May be Clinton? If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

serial thriller

The Promised Land 31 May 17 1.25am

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

[Link]

Down to around 3/1 in the bookies. What odds on you CF?

Corbyn seems to have picked up a Trump like head of steam now. No matter what s*** they fling at him, he is coming through unscathed. Will May be Clinton?

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

Stirlingsays 31 May 17 1.48am
Originally posted by serial thriller [Link] Down to around 3/1 in the bookies. What odds on you CF? Corbyn seems to have picked up a Trump like head of steam now. No matter what s*** they fling at him, he is coming through unscathed. Will May be Clinton? Corbyn is not Trump. Still drinking that kool aid I see. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

31 May 17 1.48am

Originally posted by serial thriller

[Link]

Down to around 3/1 in the bookies. What odds on you CF?

Corbyn seems to have picked up a Trump like head of steam now. No matter what s*** they fling at him, he is coming through unscathed. Will May be Clinton?

Corbyn is not Trump.

Still drinking that kool aid I see.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

matt_himself Matataland 31 May 17 5.20am
Originally posted by serial thriller Out of interest, what do you base your belief in Davis' skills in diplomacy on? The only thing I really remember him ever doing is getting his arse handed to him by Cameron in the leadership election... I didn't say diplomacy. I said politics. Big difference. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 31 May 17 5.20am

Originally posted by serial thriller

Out of interest, what do you base your belief in Davis' skills in diplomacy on?

The only thing I really remember him ever doing is getting his arse handed to him by Cameron in the leadership election...

I didn't say diplomacy. I said politics.

Big difference.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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