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Badger11 Beckenham 17 Dec 18 12.32pm
Originally posted by steve1984 Drama is a lot more expensive per hour to produce than soap and it doesn't bring in such high audiences. Or at least it's a lot more risky. Audiences for soaps are reliable. News is the biggest loss maker. Expensive to produce and limited returns. Last year the BBC's share of TV viewing was 31.6% on revenues of £5bn. ITV's was 21.7% on revenues of £3.1bn. For each % share point ITV generated revenues of £143m. The BBC produced each % share point for £158m. The BBC spent 10% more per point than ITV which were it a commercial venture could be readily justified by it's market leading position. If the BBC were selling ads in the same way that ITV does then it would command at least a 10% price premium vs ITV per 1,000 viewers reached. Edited by steve1984 (17 Dec 2018 12.31pm) Edited by steve1984 (17 Dec 2018 12.31pm) Interesting. Of course ITV has to go out and find its revenue whilst the BBC.... One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 17 Dec 18 12.32pm

Originally posted by steve1984

Drama is a lot more expensive per hour to produce than soap and it doesn't bring in such high audiences. Or at least it's a lot more risky. Audiences for soaps are reliable.

News is the biggest loss maker. Expensive to produce and limited returns.

Last year the BBC's share of TV viewing was 31.6% on revenues of £5bn. ITV's was 21.7% on revenues of £3.1bn.

For each % share point ITV generated revenues of £143m. The BBC produced each % share point for £158m.

The BBC spent 10% more per point than ITV which were it a commercial venture could be readily justified by it's market leading position.

If the BBC were selling ads in the same way that ITV does then it would command at least a 10% price premium vs ITV per 1,000 viewers reached.

Edited by steve1984 (17 Dec 2018 12.31pm)

Interesting. Of course ITV has to go out and find its revenue whilst the BBC....

One more point

steve1984 17 Dec 18 12.33pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Interesting. Of course ITV has to go out and find its revenue whilst the BBC.... You beat me to it I'm not sure cos I didn't check but it's possible that the BBC also funds radio from that £5bn. Edited by steve1984 (17 Dec 2018 12.44pm)

steve1984 17 Dec 18 12.33pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Interesting. Of course ITV has to go out and find its revenue whilst the BBC....

You beat me to it

I'm not sure cos I didn't check but it's possible that the BBC also funds radio from that £5bn.

Edited by steve1984 (17 Dec 2018 12.44pm)

becky over the moon 17 Dec 18 2.15pm
Originally posted by steve1984 Drama is a lot more expensive per hour to produce than soap and it doesn't bring in such high audiences. Or at least it's a lot more risky. Audiences for soaps are reliable. News is the biggest loss maker. Expensive to produce and limited returns. Last year the BBC's share of TV viewing was 31.6% on revenues of £5bn. ITV's was 21.7% on revenues of £3.1bn.* For each % share point ITV generated revenues of £143m. The BBC produced each % share point for £158m. The BBC spent 10% more per point than ITV which were it a commercial venture could be readily justified by it's market leading position. If the BBC were selling ads in the same way that ITV does then it would command at least a 10% price premium vs ITV per 1,000 viewers reached. *but of course herein lies the difference. ITV produce audiences to realise revenues whilst the BBC incurs costs to produce audiences. Edited by steve1984 (17 Dec 2018 12.32pm) They could save a great deal of money if they put aside the need to send a reporter and camera crew to stand outside of empty buildings, in snowy streets, or on windswept seafronts to do an 'over to you xxxx' report on virtually every news item, instead of someone simply reading the facts from the autocue at the studio desk with an appropriate location photo in the background. Delivery from outside an empty and dark building adds nothing to the information being provided. A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

becky

over the moon 17 Dec 18 2.15pm

Originally posted by steve1984

Drama is a lot more expensive per hour to produce than soap and it doesn't bring in such high audiences. Or at least it's a lot more risky. Audiences for soaps are reliable.

News is the biggest loss maker. Expensive to produce and limited returns.

Last year the BBC's share of TV viewing was 31.6% on revenues of £5bn. ITV's was 21.7% on revenues of £3.1bn.*

For each % share point ITV generated revenues of £143m. The BBC produced each % share point for £158m.

The BBC spent 10% more per point than ITV which were it a commercial venture could be readily justified by it's market leading position.

If the BBC were selling ads in the same way that ITV does then it would command at least a 10% price premium vs ITV per 1,000 viewers reached.

*but of course herein lies the difference. ITV produce audiences to realise revenues whilst the BBC incurs costs to produce audiences.

Edited by steve1984 (17 Dec 2018 12.32pm)

They could save a great deal of money if they put aside the need to send a reporter and camera crew to stand outside of empty buildings, in snowy streets, or on windswept seafronts to do an 'over to you xxxx' report on virtually every news item, instead of someone simply reading the facts from the autocue at the studio desk with an appropriate location photo in the background. Delivery from outside an empty and dark building adds nothing to the information being provided.

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

Stuk Top half 17 Dec 18 4.41pm
Originally posted by Jimenez ....but,but. We must pay top salaries to attract top talent. I also saw the other day they are spending 27 Million on doing up the Eastenders set !! No, that's the amount it's over budget. Try £87 million! Optimistic as ever

Stuk

Top half 17 Dec 18 4.41pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

....but,but. We must pay top salaries to attract top talent. I also saw the other day they are spending 27 Million on doing up the Eastenders set !!

No, that's the amount it's over budget. Try £87 million!

Optimistic as ever

steve1984 17 Dec 18 4.47pm
Originally posted by becky They could save a great deal of money if they put aside the need to send a reporter and camera crew to stand outside of empty buildings, in snowy streets, or on windswept seafronts to do an 'over to you xxxx' report on virtually every news item, instead of someone simply reading the facts from the autocue at the studio desk with an appropriate location photo in the background. Delivery from outside an empty and dark building adds nothing to the information being provided. Except that we'd maybe expect the BBC to be on hand to provide coverage if that empty building was suddenly the scene of a terrorist attack. It's always possible to cut costs but doing so will inevitably put your news show at a disadvantage vs your competitors which will show in the audience results - which as we can see the BBC is winning quite handsomely. ITV wouldn't buy news from ITN unless it was obliged to do so by the terms of it's broadcast license. If it was just a commercial decision then they'd drop it for more soap or love island. That's why we have a public service broadcaster. PS and the reporter standing outside the empty building is the journalist who put the story together. He's there anyway. Edited by steve1984 (17 Dec 2018 4.50pm)

steve1984 17 Dec 18 4.47pm

Originally posted by becky

Except that we'd maybe expect the BBC to be on hand to provide coverage if that empty building was suddenly the scene of a terrorist attack. It's always possible to cut costs but doing so will inevitably put your news show at a disadvantage vs your competitors which will show in the audience results - which as we can see the BBC is winning quite handsomely.

ITV wouldn't buy news from ITN unless it was obliged to do so by the terms of it's broadcast license. If it was just a commercial decision then they'd drop it for more soap or love island.

That's why we have a public service broadcaster.

PS and the reporter standing outside the empty building is the journalist who put the story together. He's there anyway.

Edited by steve1984 (17 Dec 2018 4.50pm)

Stuk Top half 17 Dec 18 4.56pm
Originally posted by becky They could save a great deal of money if they put aside the need to send a reporter and camera crew to stand outside of empty buildings, in snowy streets, or on windswept seafronts to do an 'over to you xxxx' report on virtually every news item, instead of someone simply reading the facts from the autocue at the studio desk with an appropriate location photo in the background. Delivery from outside an empty and dark building adds nothing to the information being provided. And they would never over embellish things... [Link] Optimistic as ever

Stuk

Top half 17 Dec 18 4.56pm

Originally posted by becky

And they would never over embellish things...

[Link]

Optimistic as ever

steve1984 17 Dec 18 5.05pm
I normally go to the bbc for the weather.

steve1984 17 Dec 18 5.05pm

I normally go to the bbc for the weather.

Stuk Top half 17 Dec 18 5.20pm
Originally posted by steve1984 I normally go to the bbc for the weather. I find they're far less accurate since they stopped using the Met office. Optimistic as ever

Stuk

Top half 17 Dec 18 5.20pm

Originally posted by steve1984

I normally go to the bbc for the weather.

I find they're far less accurate since they stopped using the Met office.

Optimistic as ever

Hrolf The Ganger 17 Dec 18 5.32pm
Originally posted by Stuk I find they're far less accurate since they stopped using the Met office. I only watch the weather if Lucy Verasamy is doing it. What a little cutie. Shame about ITN 'news'.

Hrolf The Ganger

17 Dec 18 5.32pm

Originally posted by Stuk

I find they're far less accurate since they stopped using the Met office.

I only watch the weather if Lucy Verasamy is doing it.

What a little cutie.

Shame about ITN 'news'.

Stirlingsays 17 Dec 18 5.39pm
At the moment I only watch the BBC for MOTD highlights....and that's only if Palace win or draw. And then I have to look at that Gary Lineker.....whose's made himself overtly political over at Twitter.....And I'm being made to contribute towards his wages. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

17 Dec 18 5.39pm

At the moment I only watch the BBC for MOTD highlights....and that's only if Palace win or draw.

And then I have to look at that Gary Lineker.....whose's made himself overtly political over at Twitter.....And I'm being made to contribute towards his wages.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steve1984 17 Dec 18 5.56pm
Originally posted by Stuk I find they're far less accurate since they stopped using the Met office. do they not use it anymore? I didn't know that.

steve1984 17 Dec 18 5.56pm

Originally posted by Stuk

I find they're far less accurate since they stopped using the Met office.

do they not use it anymore? I didn't know that.

steve1984 17 Dec 18 6.01pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays And then I have to look at that Gary Lineker.....whose's made himself overtly political over at Twitter.....And I'm being made to contribute towards his wages. At least if he presented an ITV footy highlights show you could boycott everything advertised on telly.

steve1984 17 Dec 18 6.01pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

And then I have to look at that Gary Lineker.....whose's made himself overtly political over at Twitter.....And I'm being made to contribute towards his wages.

At least if he presented an ITV footy highlights show you could boycott everything advertised on telly.

Tom-the-eagle Croydon 17 Dec 18 6.02pm
Originally posted by steve1984 I normally go to the bbc for the weather. I preferred it when the weathermen used to have to stick the clouds on the map behind them. On a separate note, if any of you ever go to Mexico check out their TV weather girls. Mouthwatering! It's basically p*** but with clothes on. "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

Tom-the-eagle

Croydon 17 Dec 18 6.02pm

Originally posted by steve1984

I normally go to the bbc for the weather.

I preferred it when the weathermen used to have to stick the clouds on the map behind them.

On a separate note, if any of you ever go to Mexico check out their TV weather girls. Mouthwatering! It's basically p*** but with clothes on.

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

Stirlingsays 17 Dec 18 6.23pm
Originally posted by steve1984 At least if he presented an ITV footy highlights show you could boycott everything advertised on telly. I bought a Radio Times while I was in Tescos the other day....much more in hope than anything else. Independent content makers operating on the Internet may not have anything like the budget of the TV companies and are just talking heads but their content is free from the shackles and falseness of 'approved' TV....TV is anodyne and corporate. There is still value in some radio output though. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Dec 2018 6.24pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

17 Dec 18 6.23pm

Originally posted by steve1984

At least if he presented an ITV footy highlights show you could boycott everything advertised on telly.

I bought a Radio Times while I was in Tescos the other day....much more in hope than anything else.

Independent content makers operating on the Internet may not have anything like the budget of the TV companies and are just talking heads but their content is free from the shackles and falseness of 'approved' TV....TV is anodyne and corporate.

There is still value in some radio output though.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Dec 2018 6.24pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steve1984 17 Dec 18 6.28pm
anodyne adjective 1. not likely to cause offence or disagreement and somewhat dull. But it seems to offend a lot of people here. Are they offended by its inoffensiveness? Edited by steve1984 (17 Dec 2018 6.35pm)

steve1984 17 Dec 18 6.28pm

anodyne

adjective
1. not likely to cause offence or disagreement and somewhat dull.

But it seems to offend a lot of people here. Are they offended by its inoffensiveness?

Edited by steve1984 (17 Dec 2018 6.35pm)

steve1984 17 Dec 18 6.30pm
Telly is a powerful medium. In a world where people call 999 when KFC runs out of chicken is it any wonder that propaganda is doing such a great job at distorting reality? I feel a bit safer with anodyne news. Edited by steve1984 (17 Dec 2018 6.31pm)

steve1984 17 Dec 18 6.30pm

Telly is a powerful medium. In a world where people call 999 when KFC runs out of chicken is it any wonder that propaganda is doing such a great job at distorting reality?

I feel a bit safer with anodyne news.

Edited by steve1984 (17 Dec 2018 6.31pm)

steve1984 17 Dec 18 6.32pm
Strange the only person who edits his posts as much as I do would appear to be you.

steve1984 17 Dec 18 6.32pm

Strange the only person who edits his posts as much as I do would appear to be you.

Stirlingsays 17 Dec 18 6.40pm
Originally posted by steve1984 anodyne adjective 1. not likely to cause offence or disagreement and somewhat dull. But it seems to offend a lot of people here. Are they offended by its inoffensiveness? Edited by steve1984 (17 Dec 2018 6.35pm) Its political neo liberal, pro feminist agenda is offensive to me certainly....but I was referring more to entertainment value. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

17 Dec 18 6.40pm

Originally posted by steve1984

anodyne

adjective
1. not likely to cause offence or disagreement and somewhat dull.

But it seems to offend a lot of people here. Are they offended by its inoffensiveness?

Edited by steve1984 (17 Dec 2018 6.35pm)

Its political neo liberal, pro feminist agenda is offensive to me certainly....but I was referring more to entertainment value.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 17 Dec 18 6.42pm
Originally posted by steve1984 Telly is a powerful medium. In a world where people call 999 when KFC runs out of chicken is it any wonder that propaganda is doing such a great job at distorting reality? I feel a bit safer with anodyne news. Edited by steve1984 (17 Dec 2018 6.31pm) When it comes to media and news we are certainly living in changing times. I don't see the traditional companies in the UK still being here in another twenty years.....maybe even less. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

17 Dec 18 6.42pm

Originally posted by steve1984

Telly is a powerful medium. In a world where people call 999 when KFC runs out of chicken is it any wonder that propaganda is doing such a great job at distorting reality?

I feel a bit safer with anodyne news.

Edited by steve1984 (17 Dec 2018 6.31pm)

When it comes to media and news we are certainly living in changing times.

I don't see the traditional companies in the UK still being here in another twenty years.....maybe even less.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steve1984 17 Dec 18 6.49pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I don't see the traditional companies in the UK still being here in another twenty years.....maybe even less. When I first worked for ITV it had a virtual monopoly. Things have changed already but I agree it will continue to change very fast. Things always do.

steve1984 17 Dec 18 6.49pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't see the traditional companies in the UK still being here in another twenty years.....maybe even less.

When I first worked for ITV it had a virtual monopoly. Things have changed already but I agree it will continue to change very fast.

Things always do.

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