And the reason for that would be...oh, right. Welcome back!

I understand your 'arguments' but you seem to constantly overlook the importance of honouring a democratic vote.

You are the one who is overlooking the point. It wasn'tdemocratic! Referendums have no constitutional role in our democracy. On top of that it has been shown to have been seriously compromised by lies and interference. Why, in those circumstances, should our Parliament not do their duty and decide to interpret it differently?

It also puzzles me how Remainers seem so obsessed with the short term and ignore the bigger picture.

Rubbish! It's the bigger picture which is by far the most important. I for one want a safe and prosperous future for the coming generations and that would be more certainly secured within the EU than outside it.

Either they have a brain block about the wider issues or they are deliberately obtuse because they simply cannot stand down from their position for egotistical or party political reasons.

That is EXACTLY how many of the stubborn, inflexible and brain dead ultra leavers appear to me.You have read on here how some will continue to support the Tories come hell or high water. Well both are knocking on the door with those in control right now.

This is about the long term future, not the next year or five years or even ten.

It is!!!! So wake up and do something about it. We would be much safer and able to prosper in today's fast changing world as the UK, a leading member of the EU, than as little England outside of it. Which is where we are heading.

So what does the EU have planned going forwards then.
You seem to know the future of how bad leaving would be so enlighten leavers with why staying would be so much better.
You dont actually know do you.
You are summising it would be better to stay. Why?
This is the whole problem with why leavers wont change their minds as you say they should.
Because it's so great now IYO who's to say it wont get worse in the EU.
Familiarity breeds contempt.
That's where we are with the eu.
A cash cow and that's all it is.

I think I can help here, the following countries are currently in accession talks with the EU:
Albania
Bosnia
Kosovo
Macedonia
Montenegro
Serbia
And Turkey although not for some time.

The EU is very keen on the Balkan states joining so this will happen probably in the next few years. Mind you now that Germany and France are footing the bill that may be a consideration.

And then of course there is further alignment and integration.

Good luck to em I say just as long as we are well out of it.

You really need to take a good look in the mirror old man.

Had Remain won, you and most others would have been very happy to move on and accept the result without any objections. No one would be talking about the validity of referendums.

You are either naive or disingenuous. Farage was already making statements prior to the result being declared that the "fight would continue", until he was as surprised as the rest of us. Once the evidence of interference came to light do you seriously think he wouldn't have argued for a re-run? I am pretty sure he would have used every other argument he could muster as well, as his track record speaks for itself.

Those you accuse of being fanatical Leavers are the majority of people who want what they voted for on the most important decision for this country in a lifetime.

They most certainly are not! The only real fanatics are on the fringes and there have been fanatical anti-EU activists both inside and outside Parliament ever since it was first being dreamed about. The majority who voted to leave did so for a whole bunch of reasons, mostly around immigration and the spurious idea that it would save us money along with the usual trump card that anything must be better than this. Whatever this is.

You and your arrogant like minds think you know better,
but in reality, it is merely a delusion of superiority created by your ego.

Speaking the truth is never arrogance.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (02 Nov 2019 6.47pm)

You could have reduced your four paragraphs down to four words.

Paragraph one.

Moan

Paragraph two.

Moan

Paragraph three.

Moan

Paragraph four.

Moan.

Honestly, you sound like you have an arthritic hip and can't find your painkillers.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Nov 2019 1.05pm)

I am very happy about it.

The bigger a barrier we place between ourselves and Russia the better. The more countries that are bought into the European family the better our security will be. Their increasing prosperity will bring us new markets. Co-operation and common goals are always better than conflicts and disparate visions. We will maintain higher standards together and negotiate better trade deals from strength. Standing up to the USA under Trump is so much more easily done as part of the EU than not. Don't anyone be fooled by Trump's "offer" to us. He want's us out and then for the EU to implode so the USA can start to milk the European countries, for instance on drug prices. He won't be doing us any favours. He will start on us.

Or we get dragged into a war because we have to support one of Russia's neighbours who are being threatened because of their ties to the EU.

Why? The EU has no military responsibilities. That would be a NATO decision. Putin trying to break up the EU has everything to do with him wanting to reclaim control over the previous soviet union dominated countries. Bringing them under the EU umbrella makes that impossible. They will no more want a hot war now than they did 50 years ago.

As for economics I'm all for co-operation and trade links etc. I am not in favour of bailing out other countries at are expense. I very much doubt any of the countries mentioned will be net contributors to the EU budget for quite a while which means someone else has to foot the bill.

It's not a "bail out". It's an investment. Helping any country to develop and prosper is ultimately in everyone's interests, apart from being a human responsibility. It is also very much in our local interests to have successful democracies on our eastern flank.

Farage was already making statements prior to the result being declared that the "fight would continue"