I used the home office's own statistics and quoted the home office words which stated the increase.....roughly double the rate from the sixties.

I don't know how clearer that can be.

As for you comparing 50, 000 Europeans over a 40 year period to today where two times that come in every year many from vastly different cultures....When the numbers are in the many millions that have settled here since WW2.

I don't think I can take your responses seriously now.

I've started listening to the 'fall of Rome' book and so far even it's not making your original commentary that immigration played no part look very credible.

I think for my part I'd like to end it here as I don't think this is very productive.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Sep 2021 10.01pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Someone who is a regular on here is going to have to help me out with Palazio Vecchio.

I cannot believe that he is as stupid as he appears from his posts. I can only conclude that he has taken on this comic persona for the laughs.

This is getting tiresome. You show correlation, but you do not show causality. Is very very simple. You could say that the Beatles became popular in the 1960s and crime when up, therefore the Beatles caused an increase in crime. This is what you are doing.

I know this is going to hurt you terribly but I don't think I can take your responses seriously either.

Glad that you are enjoying the book. I gave mine away so I don't have it to hand. Did you download it to a Kindel? I might go back and read it again.

Anyway, I am sure this is not so much adieu as au revoir.

nice

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

For me, and I probably have my ‘simple’ head on but people should be able to live where they want and be allowed to make a better left for themselves. These ppl are desperate, sleeping in dangerous conditions. The money we give to France, can we need build new communities, schools etc..,

I read that only a small % of the uk is actually built on.

My British passport allows me to visit many countries, the majority of them without a visa. But if you have a different passport, you might not be so lucky. How is this fair?

Fortunately this problem is not going away and there is nothing that can really be done. Thousands of ppl
Arrive each day with no papers so eventually we have to take responsibility for them. Over the next 100 years, England/Uk will be more diverse than ever. Population will be 80-90 million and hopefully we can be a super power once again,

OK. I admire your optimism.

Come off it. You are choosing one example of a specific group of immigrants and claiming them to be representative of immigrants as a whole.
You talk in terms of causality and all that mumbo jumbo and then use daft logic like that?

Huguenots were French Protestants. Hardly different culturally, and that many people probably come here every week now.

I'm sorry, but you are starting to bore me. We have heard all this denial nonsense from others like you for years, and it does not tally with the real world.

Crime among immigrant and offspring of immigrants is much higher than the population as a whole. Some demographics are much more likely to commit crime than others. It's that simple.
This is not about paranoia, it is about statistical fact.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Sep 2021 7.57am)

did the French outlaw the collection of such data. You have crime statistics, and then you have demographic statistics. But never the twain shall meet.

any day now in the UK also ?

Wilful ignorance just to keep the PC brigade happy ( or less angry ).

Edited by PalazioVecchio (14 Sep 2021 9.09am)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

What these studies seem to be saying is that immigration itself and crime are not directly linked.

That is obvious.

What it also suggests is that the limited opportunities afforded to many immigrants does have an effect on crime.

Again obvious.

What it actually means is that immigrants are more likely to commit crime.

Also, it does not cover the people who are second generation and third generation. The fact that you can call yourself British and were born here does not alter the root causes.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Sep 2021 9.31am)

So want to discuss immigration into Britain but not before a certain date and only regarding groups above a certain number? You suggest that past experience with immigration into the UK has no relevance but seek to establish a parallel with events over a thousand five hundred years ago.

I have posted links above that clearly show immigration does not lead to a rise in crime. This is both in the UK and globally. These are long-term studies that look at trends over decades.

Regarding the 50,000 Hugonotes that came to Britain. It is not the same as the number of immigrants that come to Britain in one week. In 2019 614,000 immigrants arrive, however, net immigration was 221,000. (These figures contain overseas students and other that will return home after their study end). That is 4,250 a week.

Denial is a word that you use a lot. It characterises much of what you post.

If you are bored find something interesting to do. Personally, I find going to the gym helps.