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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 4.29pm
A child born in China to two foreign national parents can acquire Chinese citizenship very easily. Although an unrelated issue we also aren’t in danger of having our culture and ethnicity replaced by immigration. The so called “Great Replacement Theory” has been debunked so comprehensively so often it really ought not be necessary to do it again. Most of the analysis is based on the USA but the same reasoning applies to us:- [Link] [Link] [Link] For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 4.29pm

A child born in China to two foreign national parents can acquire Chinese citizenship very easily.

Although an unrelated issue we also aren’t in danger of having our culture and ethnicity replaced by immigration. The so called “Great Replacement Theory” has been debunked so comprehensively so often it really ought not be necessary to do it again. Most of the analysis is based on the USA but the same reasoning applies to us:-

[Link]

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 4.51pm
That the Han ethnicity dominate in China is beside the point. Which is that others exist there, as they do here, but they are all Chinese, just as the English, Welsh, Scots and Northern Irish are all British. Historically there has been significant intermarriage between the Han and the minority groups and whilst current data is sparse there is no reason to suppose, due to the type of society in China, that doesn’t still exist. Young people mix and mingle freely. The various ethnicities may have different cultures but the gene pools won’t be unique. With our own more recent immigrant communities that mixing hasn’t yet reached the same levels but it’s started, being more advanced with those who arrived a few decades ago, and well established with those who arrived centuries ago. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 4.51pm

That the Han ethnicity dominate in China is beside the point. Which is that others exist there, as they do here, but they are all Chinese, just as the English, Welsh, Scots and Northern Irish are all British.

Historically there has been significant intermarriage between the Han and the minority groups and whilst current data is sparse there is no reason to suppose, due to the type of society in China, that doesn’t still exist. Young people mix and mingle freely. The various ethnicities may have different cultures but the gene pools won’t be unique.

With our own more recent immigrant communities that mixing hasn’t yet reached the same levels but it’s started, being more advanced with those who arrived a few decades ago, and well established with those who arrived centuries ago.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 23 Jun 24 4.55pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Why? That the determination is made by the individual and not imposed on them either by government regulations or the prejudices of others doesn’t make it either likely or frequent. People identify with that they feel comfortable and correct with. They don’t have to announce it to others, who are entitled to think whatever they like. Why? Because you said A child could be born to English parents in China who perish and is then adopted and brought up in China, acquiring nothing but the local culture. They would then identify as whichever of the 56 Chinese ethnicities exist locally. Now you say they can just identify as whoever they like?

Teddy Eagle

23 Jun 24 4.55pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why?

That the determination is made by the individual and not imposed on them either by government regulations or the prejudices of others doesn’t make it either likely or frequent.

People identify with that they feel comfortable and correct with. They don’t have to announce it to others, who are entitled to think whatever they like.

Why? Because you said
A child could be born to English parents in China who perish and is then adopted and brought up in China, acquiring nothing but the local culture. They would then identify as whichever of the 56 Chinese ethnicities exist locally.

Now you say they can just identify as whoever they like?

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 5.02pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So now you are saying that I can be a Chinese just by having a Chinese passport? And Skin colour has no bearing on ethnicity? I think that we can just leave those hanging out there and let people grade them on the scale of bonkers. You are legally Chinese if you have a Chinese passport. How you identify will depend on how you view yourself. Skin colour has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on ethnicity. Or racial identity:- [Link] For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 5.02pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So now you are saying that I can be a Chinese just by having a Chinese passport?

And Skin colour has no bearing on ethnicity?

I think that we can just leave those hanging out there and let people grade them on the scale of bonkers.

You are legally Chinese if you have a Chinese passport. How you identify will depend on how you view yourself.

Skin colour has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on ethnicity. Or racial identity:-

[Link]

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 5.06pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Why? Because you said A child could be born to English parents in China who perish and is then adopted and brought up in China, acquiring nothing but the local culture. They would then identify as whichever of the 56 Chinese ethnicities exist locally. Now you say they can just identify as whoever they like? What they could do is not what they would, most likely, do! The first is the possible, the second the probable, outcome. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 5.06pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Now you say they can just identify as whoever they like?

What they could do is not what they would, most likely, do!

The first is the possible, the second the probable, outcome.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Hrolf The Ganger 23 Jun 24 5.13pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You are legally Chinese if you have a Chinese passport. How you identify will depend on how you view yourself. Skin colour has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on ethnicity. Or racial identity:- [Link] So everyone is exactly the same and can just call themselves what they like? That is in effect what you are saying.

Hrolf The Ganger

23 Jun 24 5.13pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You are legally Chinese if you have a Chinese passport. How you identify will depend on how you view yourself.

Skin colour has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on ethnicity. Or racial identity:-

[Link]

So everyone is exactly the same and can just call themselves what they like? That is in effect what you are saying.

Stirlingsays 23 Jun 24 5.15pm
'That the Han ethnicity dominate in China is beside the point.' No it isn't. Unless you are the Han ethnicity you don't get to leadership positions in China. Try finding a non Han leader in China. It's precisely for the reason that they don't want people who think like you eroding what China means for them. All of a sudden being told that they don't really exist?......you'd probably quickly find out that you'd be the one not existing. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

23 Jun 24 5.15pm

'That the Han ethnicity dominate in China is beside the point.'

No it isn't.

Unless you are the Han ethnicity you don't get to leadership positions in China. Try finding a non Han leader in China.

It's precisely for the reason that they don't want people who think like you eroding what China means for them.

All of a sudden being told that they don't really exist?......you'd probably quickly find out that you'd be the one not existing.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Teddy Eagle 23 Jun 24 5.15pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle What they could do is not what they would, most likely, do! The first is the possible, the second the probable, outcome. So the knowledge of culture and history which you said is important actually doesn't matter.

Teddy Eagle

23 Jun 24 5.15pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What they could do is not what they would, most likely, do!

The first is the possible, the second the probable, outcome.

So the knowledge of culture and history which you said is important actually doesn't matter.

Hrolf The Ganger 23 Jun 24 5.24pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle A child born in China to two foreign national parents can acquire Chinese citizenship very easily. Although an unrelated issue we also aren’t in danger of having our culture and ethnicity replaced by immigration. The so called “Great Replacement Theory” has been debunked so comprehensively so often it really ought not be necessary to do it again. Most of the analysis is based on the USA but the same reasoning applies to us:- [Link] [Link] [Link] Bingo! Your ability to extrapolate has been debunked. So someone with a Chinese passport is automatically Chinese and yet people only have to choose what they are? In that case, why would I need a Chinese passport to be Chinese? I can just choose to be. I like chicken balls and a bit of chow mein. Surely that's enough.

Hrolf The Ganger

23 Jun 24 5.24pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

A child born in China to two foreign national parents can acquire Chinese citizenship very easily.

Although an unrelated issue we also aren’t in danger of having our culture and ethnicity replaced by immigration. The so called “Great Replacement Theory” has been debunked so comprehensively so often it really ought not be necessary to do it again. Most of the analysis is based on the USA but the same reasoning applies to us:-

[Link]

Bingo!

Your ability to extrapolate has been debunked.

So someone with a Chinese passport is automatically Chinese and yet people only have to choose what they are?

In that case, why would I need a Chinese passport to be Chinese?
I can just choose to be. I like chicken balls and a bit of chow mein. Surely that's enough.

PalazioVecchio south pole 23 Jun 24 5.46pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You are legally Chinese if you have a Chinese passport. How you identify will depend on how you view yourself. Skin colour has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on ethnicity. Or racial identity:- [Link] i wish this website had an 'ignore' button Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 23 Jun 24 5.46pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You are legally Chinese if you have a Chinese passport. How you identify will depend on how you view yourself.

Skin colour has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on ethnicity. Or racial identity:-

[Link]

i wish this website had an 'ignore' button

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 23 Jun 24 7.16pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio i wish this website had an 'ignore' button It has. Just ignore it. This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 23 Jun 24 7.16pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

i wish this website had an 'ignore' button

It has. Just ignore it.

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 7.42pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So everyone is exactly the same and can just call themselves what they like? That is in effect what you are saying. Of course not! That’s just a twisted version of something really simple. People aren’t the same. Everyone is unique. Even identical twins aren’t identical! The point is who determines ethnicity? Is it how you feel, or is it what others believe is required? If the latter is some kind of genetic threshold, how on earth is that going to be determined? Every definition of ethnicity I have seen says that it is determined by the acceptance and respect for heritage, history and culture that an individual believes is their own. It’s the only practical approach. It doesn’t impact anyone else, who don’t even need to know what any individual feels. It’s personal to them. Others can think and believe whatever they like. It only matters to people like the ONS when gathering data to determine trends and to inform government where resources are needed. Many people are going to identify exactly as you or I would also identify them. However, we wouldn’t know if someone we thought was English was actually English until they opened their mouth, or sometimes their heart. They could identify in many other ways. Conversely, you might think someone was English, based on a phone or online conversation, but change your mind when you saw them. Why should anyone else care what someone feels about themselves? Unless the true motivation had nothing actually to do with ethnicity itself but a desire to exclude those they don’t want included, for reasons of fear or loathing. If true, as all the indications suggest it is, then it presents echoes of some extremely distasteful episodes from history. Episodes that some may want to forget, ignore or brush under the carpet. Some though don’t. Lest we forget applies to many things. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 7.42pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So everyone is exactly the same and can just call themselves what they like? That is in effect what you are saying.

Of course not! That’s just a twisted version of something really simple.

People aren’t the same. Everyone is unique. Even identical twins aren’t identical!

The point is who determines ethnicity? Is it how you feel, or is it what others believe is required? If the latter is some kind of genetic threshold, how on earth is that going to be determined?

Every definition of ethnicity I have seen says that it is determined by the acceptance and respect for heritage, history and culture that an individual believes is their own.

It’s the only practical approach. It doesn’t impact anyone else, who don’t even need to know what any individual feels. It’s personal to them. Others can think and believe whatever they like. It only matters to people like the ONS when gathering data to determine trends and to inform government where resources are needed.

Many people are going to identify exactly as you or I would also identify them. However, we wouldn’t know if someone we thought was English was actually English until they opened their mouth, or sometimes their heart. They could identify in many other ways. Conversely, you might think someone was English, based on a phone or online conversation, but change your mind when you saw them.

Why should anyone else care what someone feels about themselves? Unless the true motivation had nothing actually to do with ethnicity itself but a desire to exclude those they don’t want included, for reasons of fear or loathing.

If true, as all the indications suggest it is, then it presents echoes of some extremely distasteful episodes from history.

Episodes that some may want to forget, ignore or brush under the carpet. Some though don’t.

Lest we forget applies to many things.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 7.48pm
That the Chinese government persecute minorities isn’t questionable. Any minorities included are token, they don’t have power. Which has no connection to the underlying points. They exist. They mix. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 7.48pm

That the Chinese government persecute minorities isn’t questionable.

Any minorities included are token, they don’t have power.

Which has no connection to the underlying points. They exist. They mix.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 7.50pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle So the knowledge of culture and history which you said is important actually doesn't matter. Of course it does. It’s fundamental. But the judgement call is theirs. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 7.50pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

So the knowledge of culture and history which you said is important actually doesn't matter.

Of course it does. It’s fundamental. But the judgement call is theirs.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Stirlingsays 23 Jun 24 7.50pm
'A child born in China to two foreign national parents can acquire Chinese citizenship very easily.' Not they can't....the state can turn down an application for any reason. The very point was that being born somewhere does not make you Chinese unless one of the parents is actually Chinese. To gain Chinese citizenship after that requires the Chinese state to accept you. In other words, citizenship isn't the same as here. As for waffling on about the Great Replacement.....apparently it's been debunked by globalists. Yeah....apparently our eyes aren't reliable. They just lie, like this guy and everybody honest knows it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

23 Jun 24 7.50pm

'A child born in China to two foreign national parents can acquire Chinese citizenship very easily.'

Not they can't....the state can turn down an application for any reason.

The very point was that being born somewhere does not make you Chinese unless one of the parents is actually Chinese.

To gain Chinese citizenship after that requires the Chinese state to accept you.

In other words, citizenship isn't the same as here.

As for waffling on about the Great Replacement.....apparently it's been debunked by globalists.

Yeah....apparently our eyes aren't reliable.

They just lie, like this guy and everybody honest knows it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Teddy Eagle 23 Jun 24 8.00pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Of course it does. It’s fundamental. But the judgement call is theirs. How can it be fundamental when what you feel is the determining factor?

Teddy Eagle

23 Jun 24 8.00pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Of course it does. It’s fundamental. But the judgement call is theirs.

How can it be fundamental when what you feel is the determining factor?

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 8.03pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Bingo! Your ability to extrapolate has been debunked. So someone with a Chinese passport is automatically Chinese and yet people only have to choose what they are? In that case, why would I need a Chinese passport to be Chinese? I can just choose to be. I like chicken balls and a bit of chow mein. Surely that's enough. Anyone with a Chinese passport is legally a Chinese national. That doesn’t though convey ethnicity. You could go to China, meet the criteria, apply for and be granted citizenship but decide that your ethnicity remained English. Which it would, given the attitudes on display. Indeed it would be extremely unlikely that anyone in those circumstances would do anything different. I had an acquaintance some years back who went to live in China to teach English. He met a local lady, married and settled there. I don’t know if he applied for citizenship but would not have been surprised if he had as I believe it brings some benefits. He certainly though did not identify as Chinese as he continued to participate in forums where he was as English in attitude as anyone here. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 8.03pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Bingo!

Your ability to extrapolate has been debunked.

So someone with a Chinese passport is automatically Chinese and yet people only have to choose what they are?

In that case, why would I need a Chinese passport to be Chinese?
I can just choose to be. I like chicken balls and a bit of chow mein. Surely that's enough.

Anyone with a Chinese passport is legally a Chinese national. That doesn’t though convey ethnicity.

You could go to China, meet the criteria, apply for and be granted citizenship but decide that your ethnicity remained English. Which it would, given the attitudes on display. Indeed it would be extremely unlikely that anyone in those circumstances would do anything different.

I had an acquaintance some years back who went to live in China to teach English. He met a local lady, married and settled there. I don’t know if he applied for citizenship but would not have been surprised if he had as I believe it brings some benefits. He certainly though did not identify as Chinese as he continued to participate in forums where he was as English in attitude as anyone here.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 8.12pm
Whilst no one here is likely to be an authority on the requirements for acquiring Chinese citizenship I suspect this is a better researched synopsis than a couple of phrases pulled out of thin air. It’s rare, but not impossible:- [Link] It is also only being used as a diversionary counter point, without any particular relevance to the subject! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 8.12pm

Whilst no one here is likely to be an authority on the requirements for acquiring Chinese citizenship I suspect this is a better researched synopsis than a couple of phrases pulled out of thin air. It’s rare, but not impossible:-

[Link]

It is also only being used as a diversionary counter point, without any particular relevance to the subject!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 23 Jun 24 8.28pm
Does Chinese citizenship come with complimentary Prawn Crackers? The fortune cookie would be interesting - 'Your personal conversations are being monitored'. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 23 Jun 24 8.28pm

Does Chinese citizenship come with complimentary Prawn Crackers?

The fortune cookie would be interesting - 'Your personal conversations are being monitored'.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Stirlingsays 23 Jun 24 8.41pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 Does Chinese citizenship come with complimentary Prawn Crackers? The fortune cookie would be interesting - 'Your personal conversations are being monitored'. 'Keep us sweet and we won't make it sour.' 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

23 Jun 24 8.41pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Does Chinese citizenship come with complimentary Prawn Crackers?

The fortune cookie would be interesting - 'Your personal conversations are being monitored'.

'Keep us sweet and we won't make it sour.'

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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