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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 25 Jun 16 3.47pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Had the margin between leave and remain votes been wider I think people would have taken it with better grace. It's a shame that some leavers and remainers could have been more magnanimous. As it is I think we need to wait a few more days before people calm down a bit. Not a chance fix, the establishment wouldn't let it happen, MI5 and god knows how many other theories That were on here BEFORE the vote the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 25 Jun 16 3.47pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Had the margin between leave and remain votes been wider I think people would have taken it with better grace.

It's a shame that some leavers and remainers could have been more magnanimous.

As it is I think we need to wait a few more days before people calm down a bit.

Not a chance fix, the establishment wouldn't let it happen, MI5 and god knows how many other theories That were on here BEFORE the vote

the dignified don't even enter in the game

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Jun 16 3.51pm
Originally posted by Mapletree What does that mean? That I must change my view to match to the majority? I don't blame most people for their views, I simply don't share them. I do think some people hold their views for selfish reasons however. Not at all. It wasn't aimed at you specifically and I can understand the anger felt.Perhaps it was aimed at those who made ha ha you lost type comments. But the fact is the decision is made and we need to look for ways to move forward, not just to heal the rift that's divided the country but get rid of the ones that caused this disaster in the first place. Let's get our country back from those who have caused the despair and discontent among British citizens.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 25 Jun 16 3.51pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

What does that mean? That I must change my view to match to the majority? I don't blame most people for their views, I simply don't share them. I do think some people hold their views for selfish reasons however.

Not at all. It wasn't aimed at you specifically and I can understand the anger felt.Perhaps it was aimed at those who made ha ha you lost type comments.

But the fact is the decision is made and we need to look for ways to move forward, not just to heal the rift that's divided the country but get rid of the ones that caused this disaster in the first place. Let's get our country back from those who have caused the despair and discontent among British citizens.

Rubin 25 Jun 16 3.55pm
Originally posted by Mapletree 17 year olds have the happy knack of asking questions Rubin. They have a right to their views, which are often well informed. Social media can help this, albeit needs to be treated with caution. But only one of my children is 17. If you read my thread I spoke of my children not just one child. The reasons for the high price of property are multiple but not especially driven by EU immigration. There is, for example, an enormous bank of unused building land in London that is being stockpiled by speculators. There has also been speculation, mainly by Russian and Middle Eastern buyers, on houses themselves. And London has 10 times as many job vacancies as the other large cities in the UK, drawing people to it. My children will not be happy with the decision that has been taken, of that both they and I are quite sure. Let's hope we can keep the damage to the minimum. We'll have to agree to disagree there, but I think your children and grandchildren will be pleasantly surprised.

Rubin

25 Jun 16 3.55pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

17 year olds have the happy knack of asking questions Rubin. They have a right to their views, which are often well informed. Social media can help this, albeit needs to be treated with caution.

But only one of my children is 17. If you read my thread I spoke of my children not just one child.

The reasons for the high price of property are multiple but not especially driven by EU immigration. There is, for example, an enormous bank of unused building land in London that is being stockpiled by speculators. There has also been speculation, mainly by Russian and Middle Eastern buyers, on houses themselves. And London has 10 times as many job vacancies as the other large cities in the UK, drawing people to it.

My children will not be happy with the decision that has been taken, of that both they and I are quite sure. Let's hope we can keep the damage to the minimum.

We'll have to agree to disagree there, but I think your children and grandchildren will be pleasantly surprised.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 25 Jun 16 3.59pm
Originally posted by Eggy This - not a good day for our children who will have to live the rest of their lives with the consequences of this decision. Melodramatic again. Do you really think the economy and job market is knackered for the next 50 years? Pfffft. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 25 Jun 16 3.59pm

Originally posted by Eggy

This - not a good day for our children who will have to live the rest of their lives with the consequences of this decision.

Melodramatic again.

Do you really think the economy and job market is knackered for the next 50 years? Pfffft.

COYP

blackpalacefan 25 Jun 16 4.00pm
Originally posted by nhp61 Over a million have signed an online petition calling for a second referendum. That might be EU style democracy, when they were ordering Ireland to revote because the first result of their referendum was not to their liking, but it won't happen here. The Remainers lost, by over 1.2 million votes, and they will have to accept that. Being made to hold a rerun is just not democratic, and would cause even more uncertainty. What if a second referendum still ends up with Leave in the majority, will the Remain camp demand yet even more referendums until they get result they want? No chance. Likewise, if the Remainers had won, Farage would just have had to take it on the chin, and accept the people had chosen, and not demand a rerun. I certainly do agree that the result should stand, as i said whats the point of the vote overwise. What I said is also fact though. When Farage thought he'd lost he indicated that they would push for a second referendum if the result was without a few percentage points. I'm not saying that should happen then or now, just what his intention was.

blackpalacefan

25 Jun 16 4.00pm

Originally posted by nhp61

Over a million have signed an online petition calling for a second referendum. That might be EU style democracy, when they were ordering Ireland to revote because the first result of their referendum was not to their liking, but it won't happen here.

The Remainers lost, by over 1.2 million votes, and they will have to accept that. Being made to hold a rerun is just not democratic, and would cause even more uncertainty. What if a second referendum still ends up with Leave in the majority, will the Remain camp demand yet even more referendums until they get result they want? No chance.

Likewise, if the Remainers had won, Farage would just have had to take it on the chin, and accept the people had chosen, and not demand a rerun.

I certainly do agree that the result should stand, as i said whats the point of the vote overwise. What I said is also fact though. When Farage thought he'd lost he indicated that they would push for a second referendum if the result was without a few percentage points. I'm not saying that should happen then or now, just what his intention was.

Kermit8 Hevon 25 Jun 16 4.01pm
Remember that time Nigel Farage said 52%-48% split should lead to second referendum? Calling a small defeat for his leave camp ‘unfinished business’, he predicted a second referendum on Europe. [Link] Edited by Kermit8 (25 Jun 2016 4.03pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

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Hevon 25 Jun 16 4.01pm

Remember that time Nigel Farage said 52%-48% split should lead to second referendum?

Calling a small defeat for his leave camp ‘unfinished business’, he predicted a second referendum on Europe.

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Edited by Kermit8 (25 Jun 2016 4.03pm)

Big chest and massive boobs

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 25 Jun 16 4.04pm
Originally posted by Eggy I agree, but at this moment there appear to be few positives to the overall outcome. Overnight the opportunity for our children to freely travel, work and even live in 27 countries in the future has been removed, based on what, broken promises already about additional NHS funding, and unspecified immigration limits and controls? The world will keep spinning, and in a few days I'm sure 'normal' life will return and we will face into the challenges ahead and make the best of it, and I sincerely hope my current concerns and reservations are proved wrong. However, it's not going to happen overnight as a lot of people seem to think, and it could be at least 10 years before we can really judge if this was the right decision for the UK, and Europe. Please let the season start soon so we've all got something to really moan and worry about 😉😉😄 Did you have a problem going on holiday before EU membership? I didn't. British passports used to get you through nice and quickly. And you could get visas to work abroad as well. Most of these people crying about never being able to work abroad never intend to anyway. The ones who do will find work before going and gain visa entry. We really have created a generation of limp wristed f&nnies who incidentally can't see past a year or 2. Edited by Rudi Hedman (25 Jun 2016 5.34pm) COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 25 Jun 16 4.04pm

Originally posted by Eggy

I agree, but at this moment there appear to be few positives to the overall outcome. Overnight the opportunity for our children to freely travel, work and even live in 27 countries in the future has been removed, based on what, broken promises already about additional NHS funding, and unspecified immigration limits and controls?

The world will keep spinning, and in a few days I'm sure 'normal' life will return and we will face into the challenges ahead and make the best of it, and I sincerely hope my current concerns and reservations are proved wrong. However, it's not going to happen overnight as a lot of people seem to think, and it could be at least 10 years before we can really judge if this was the right decision for the UK, and Europe.

Please let the season start soon so we've all got something to really moan and worry about 😉😉😄

Did you have a problem going on holiday before EU membership? I didn't. British passports used to get you through nice and quickly. And you could get visas to work abroad as well. Most of these people crying about never being able to work abroad never intend to anyway. The ones who do will find work before going and gain visa entry.

We really have created a generation of limp wristed f&nnies who incidentally can't see past a year or 2.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (25 Jun 2016 5.34pm)

COYP

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Jun 16 4.07pm
Mail readers complaining that the mail start giving real facts about Brexit post referendum... [Link]

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Shizzlehurst 25 Jun 16 4.07pm

Mail readers complaining that the mail start giving real facts about Brexit post referendum...

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 25 Jun 16 4.11pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays At least slightly more than half of Britain has balls. Great countries aren't fashioned by faint hearts. Brexit is a positive and will be regarded as a positive long term. It will be difficult due to the EU's reaction but in the long term this country will succeed and govern itself. Believers in the nation state all around Europe are rejoicing and the federalists and globalists have had this coming: undemocratic bully boys. Viva democracy. Bravo. F*ing bravo. Let's have it. But don't expect 'You were right then' from the sour grapes and PC, fashionable to suddenly embrace the EU brigade when it's proven we were right. COYP**

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 25 Jun 16 4.11pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

At least slightly more than half of Britain has balls. Great countries aren't fashioned by faint hearts.

Brexit is a positive and will be regarded as a positive long term. It will be difficult due to the EU's reaction but in the long term this country will succeed and govern itself.

Believers in the nation state all around Europe are rejoicing and the federalists and globalists have had this coming: undemocratic bully boys.

Viva democracy.

Bravo. F***ing bravo. Let's have it. But don't expect 'You were right then' from the sour grapes and PC, fashionable to suddenly embrace the EU brigade when it's proven we were right.

COYP

Canterbury Palace Whitstable 25 Jun 16 4.11pm
Jesus Christ, anybody else sick to death of it all now? I can't go on Facebook to look at random girls' holiday photos without seeing endless whinging on there. Based purely on what I've seen on my social media, two questions spring to mind. If we can agree that racism has generalisation at its core, how is blanketly labelling 17 million people as uneducated, bigoted morons any superior from a moral standpoint? Similarly, how does one justify calling others right wing whilst simultaneously refusing to accept any view or political outcome different to their own, which I would argue is a very dangerous parallel to the historic right wing? We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...

Canterbury Palace

Whitstable 25 Jun 16 4.11pm

Jesus Christ, anybody else sick to death of it all now? I can't go on Facebook to look at random girls' holiday photos without seeing endless whinging on there. Based purely on what I've seen on my social media, two questions spring to mind.

If we can agree that racism has generalisation at its core, how is blanketly labelling 17 million people as uneducated, bigoted morons any superior from a moral standpoint?

Similarly, how does one justify calling others right wing whilst simultaneously refusing to accept any view or political outcome different to their own, which I would argue is a very dangerous parallel to the historic right wing?

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...

chris123 hove actually 25 Jun 16 4.13pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Mail readers complaining that the mail start giving real facts about Brexit post referendum... [Link] People really should not believe everything they read, whatever the source, do their own research, ask questions and be a bit sceptical!!

chris123

hove actually 25 Jun 16 4.13pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Mail readers complaining that the mail start giving real facts about Brexit post referendum...

[Link]

People really should not believe everything they read, whatever the source, do their own research, ask questions and be a bit sceptical!!

Kermit8 Hevon 25 Jun 16 4.15pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Bravo. F***ing bravo. Let's have it. But don't expect 'You were right then' from the sour grapes and PC, fashionable to suddenly embrace the EU brigade when it's proven we were right. In what significant and tangible way exactly say in ten years will you have been proven to be right do you think? And what will the upsides prove to be? Edited by Kermit8 (25 Jun 2016 4.16pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

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Hevon 25 Jun 16 4.15pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Bravo. F***ing bravo. Let's have it. But don't expect 'You were right then' from the sour grapes and PC, fashionable to suddenly embrace the EU brigade when it's proven we were right.

In what significant and tangible way exactly say in ten years will you have been proven to be right do you think? And what will the upsides prove to be?

Edited by Kermit8 (25 Jun 2016 4.16pm)

Big chest and massive boobs

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matt_himself Matataland 25 Jun 16 4.18pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 In what significant and tangible way exactly say in ten years will you have been proven to be right do you think? And what will the upsides prove to be? Edited by Kermit8 (25 Jun 2016 4.16pm) Michael, are you going to answer my previous question about Remain's vision and how it was going to solve the housing 'crisis' and all the stuff you were going on about a few pages ago? "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 25 Jun 16 4.18pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

In what significant and tangible way exactly say in ten years will you have been proven to be right do you think? And what will the upsides prove to be?

Edited by Kermit8 (25 Jun 2016 4.16pm)

Michael, are you going to answer my previous question about Remain's vision and how it was going to solve the housing 'crisis' and all the stuff you were going on about a few pages ago?

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Rudi Hedman Caterham 25 Jun 16 4.18pm
Originally posted by Rubin No one knows for sure what will happen long term. My guess is that we'll look at EU in 5/10/20 years and think 'thank God we got out when we did', and that's if there's even one left to look at. I'm not sure why the kids are panicking so much about not being able to work in Europe in the future. I'd guess about 1% of them could work over there now due to the lack of jobs, and I think that'll only worsen. If they've got the skills to get a decent job out there, they'll get a work visa anyway. The markets/pound etc were always going to get hit due to uncertainty, and they've had an extra impact from all the gambling that we'd remain. The effects have been no where near as bad as predicted. We can now be a global country instead of just a European one, without any restrictions put on us. Edited by Rubin (25 Jun 2016 10.40am) Spot on in bold. 'we'll look at EU in 5/10/20 years and think 'thank God we got ouin 5/10/20 years and think 'thank God we got out when we did', and that's if there's even one left to look at.' 'I'm not sure why the kids are panicking so much about not being able to work in Europe in the future. I'd guess about 1% of them could work over there now due to the lack of jobs, and I think that'll only worsen. If they've got the skills to get a decent job out there, they'll get a work visa anyway.' COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 25 Jun 16 4.18pm

Originally posted by Rubin

No one knows for sure what will happen long term. My guess is that we'll look at EU in 5/10/20 years and think 'thank God we got out when we did', and that's if there's even one left to look at.

I'm not sure why the kids are panicking so much about not being able to work in Europe in the future. I'd guess about 1% of them could work over there now due to the lack of jobs, and I think that'll only worsen. If they've got the skills to get a decent job out there, they'll get a work visa anyway.

The markets/pound etc were always going to get hit due to uncertainty, and they've had an extra impact from all the gambling that we'd remain. The effects have been no where near as bad as predicted.

We can now be a global country instead of just a European one, without any restrictions put on us.

Edited by Rubin (25 Jun 2016 10.40am)

Spot on in bold.

'we'll look at EU in 5/10/20 years and think 'thank God we got ouin 5/10/20 years and think 'thank God we got out when we did', and that's if there's even one left to look at.'

'I'm not sure why the kids are panicking so much about not being able to work in Europe in the future. I'd guess about 1% of them could work over there now due to the lack of jobs, and I think that'll only worsen. If they've got the skills to get a decent job out there, they'll get a work visa anyway.'

COYP

Kermit8 Hevon 25 Jun 16 4.19pm
Standing down UK'S EU Commissioner Lord Hill ""I came to Brussels as someone who had campaigned against Britain joining the euro and who was sceptical about Europe. "I will leave it certain that, despite its frustrations, our membership was good for our place in the world and good for our economy." But, obviously, the 17million know better than this fella. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 25 Jun 16 4.19pm

Standing down UK'S EU Commissioner Lord Hill

""I came to Brussels as someone who had campaigned against Britain joining the euro and who was sceptical about Europe.
"I will leave it certain that, despite its frustrations, our membership was good for our place in the world and good for our economy."

But, obviously, the 17million know better than this fella.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Kermit8 Hevon 25 Jun 16 4.20pm
Originally posted by matt_himself Michael, are you going to answer my previous question about Remain's vision and how it was going to solve the housing 'crisis' and all the stuff you were going on about a few pages ago? Wait your turn. Time of the month? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 25 Jun 16 4.20pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Michael, are you going to answer my previous question about Remain's vision and how it was going to solve the housing 'crisis' and all the stuff you were going on about a few pages ago?

Wait your turn.

Time of the month?

Big chest and massive boobs

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jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Jun 16 4.22pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Remember that time Nigel Farage said 52%-48% split should lead to second referendum? Calling a small defeat for his leave camp ‘unfinished business’, he predicted a second referendum on Europe. [Link] Edited by Kermit8 (25 Jun 2016 4.03pm) Problem is you could end up having referendum after referendum with getting nowhere, especially on a 75% Turnout and 65% minimum. The problem is that people see things as something that is won or lost, and they're missing the point entirely, its about deciding how the country will progress. I wouldn't rule out the possibility in the more distant future of a second referendum of re-joining the EU - but for now, its about how to make the most out of leaving the EU, for the UK and its citizens. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 25 Jun 16 4.22pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Remember that time Nigel Farage said 52%-48% split should lead to second referendum?

Calling a small defeat for his leave camp ‘unfinished business’, he predicted a second referendum on Europe.

[Link]

Edited by Kermit8 (25 Jun 2016 4.03pm)

Problem is you could end up having referendum after referendum with getting nowhere, especially on a 75% Turnout and 65% minimum.

The problem is that people see things as something that is won or lost, and they're missing the point entirely, its about deciding how the country will progress.

I wouldn't rule out the possibility in the more distant future of a second referendum of re-joining the EU - but for now, its about how to make the most out of leaving the EU, for the UK and its citizens.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Kermit8 Hevon 25 Jun 16 4.24pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Problem is you could end up having referendum after referendum with getting nowhere, especially on a 75% Turnout and 65% minimum. The problem is that people see things as something that is won or lost, and they're missing the point entirely, its about deciding how the country will progress. I wouldn't rule out the possibility in the more distant future of a second referendum of re-joining the EU - but for now, its about how to make the most out of leaving the EU, for the UK and its citizens. With a very right-wing cadre in power? Don't hold your breath. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 25 Jun 16 4.24pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Problem is you could end up having referendum after referendum with getting nowhere, especially on a 75% Turnout and 65% minimum.

The problem is that people see things as something that is won or lost, and they're missing the point entirely, its about deciding how the country will progress.

I wouldn't rule out the possibility in the more distant future of a second referendum of re-joining the EU - but for now, its about how to make the most out of leaving the EU, for the UK and its citizens.

With a very right-wing cadre in power? Don't hold your breath.

Big chest and massive boobs

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jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Jun 16 4.27pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Spot on in bold. 'we'll look at EU in 5/10/20 years and think 'thank God we got ouin 5/10/20 years and think 'thank God we got out when we did', and that's if there's even one left to look at.' 'I'm not sure why the kids are panicking so much about not being able to work in Europe in the future. I'd guess about 1% of them could work over there now due to the lack of jobs, and I think that'll only worsen. If they've got the skills to get a decent job out there, they'll get a work visa anyway.' Maybe, maybe not. I don't think its easy to be that sure. Leave could turn out to be a disaster, as well. Thing of the EU is that there is good and bad, and same with leaving it, there can be good and bad. That's irrelivent, though, its about what the people want, not what is the right idea. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 25 Jun 16 4.27pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Spot on in bold.

'we'll look at EU in 5/10/20 years and think 'thank God we got ouin 5/10/20 years and think 'thank God we got out when we did', and that's if there's even one left to look at.'

Maybe, maybe not. I don't think its easy to be that sure. Leave could turn out to be a disaster, as well. Thing of the EU is that there is good and bad, and same with leaving it, there can be good and bad.

That's irrelivent, though, its about what the people want, not what is the right idea.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Jun 16 4.31pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Yes some saw through the 350 million lie but many many didn't and feel duped. I note you didn't comment on the UKIP mep's comment about free movement of Labour. I apologise for my comments yesterday. Was below the belt. Pensions are a bit stuffed ain't they with the fall in share prices. If your persuaded to vote leave, by a man and political party, that is entirely based around leaving the EU, then its 'you' that are the problem. Of course they're biased. Their attraction has always been that they have been appealing to those who feel alienated by the EU and deserted by Government, and sold for corporate profits. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 25 Jun 16 4.31pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Yes some saw through the 350 million lie but many many didn't and feel duped.

I note you didn't comment on the UKIP mep's comment about free movement of Labour.

I apologise for my comments yesterday. Was below the belt.

Pensions are a bit stuffed ain't they with the fall in share prices.

If your persuaded to vote leave, by a man and political party, that is entirely based around leaving the EU, then its 'you' that are the problem. Of course they're biased. Their attraction has always been that they have been appealing to those who feel alienated by the EU and deserted by Government, and sold for corporate profits.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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