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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Interesting points. Why do other countries (Nordics and France for instance) consistently vote for much more socialist and higher tax, higher welfare, lower inequality governments in that case? It's perfectly plausible to argue that people can be better off in such states and so to vote for such a system would be in one's own interest. I totally get what you mean though. It's the Allais paradox; if you see more cash in your pocket day one and would rather have that than a better outcome on day 1001. France and the Nordic countries are increasingly voting for right and hard-right parties due to the problems created by the liberal/left parties and the EU.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I'm voting Green, because they actually responded to local issues such as closures of the Arthur Hill Swimming Pool, Children centres (9 of the 13) and The After Dark. Which I supported. Also back in the day, I'm pretty sure I copped off with her (ironically at the After Dark). Active bunch our local Green and Councillors. Neither Labour nor the Conservatives have ever really responded to any of these issues, or any emails I've ever sent them (well except one of the Councillors on the After Dark, who said I probably should contact the Greens). Plus Rob 'Still campaigning after 12 years on the same third f**king Bridge' Wilson is a smug c**t who'd get a shoeing from Ghandi. Was Rohypnol available then?
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The Naylor report approved by Theresa May plans to sell off NHS.
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Interesting points. Why do other countries (Nordics and France for instance) consistently vote for much more socialist and higher tax, higher welfare, lower inequality governments in that case? It's perfectly plausible to argue that people can be better off in such states and so to vote for such a system would be in one's own interest. I totally get what you mean though. It's the Allais paradox; if you see more cash in your pocket day one and would rather have that than a better outcome on day 1001. France tends to ping pong between left and right more than we do....The real left haven't been in power since the seventies here and Corbyn is its first face since Smith. However the Scandinavian aspect is an interesting one....though its immigration policies are causing rising discontent.....But it does consistently vote left or centralist...Perhaps it's something to do with the regional culture...I don't know. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 May 2017 2.21pm)
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Was Rohypnol available then?
Maybe when Jamie referred to 'the after dark'...he wasn't just talking about a place.
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May will be coated on the debate tonight, from all parties. Why won't she defend herself and her policies? Corbyn has played a blinder. Make or break tonight.
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
This sums it up for me. The outlook, whoever wins, is utterly ghastly so the only real choice is which particular brand of ghastliness you can more comfortably live with. This is a game I choose not to play. I won't be voting. My conscience simply won't permit it. I'm struggling to remember a time when we ever got to vote for anybody that wasn't a thunderous prat. I thought it was always a case of establishing which candidate compromised the fewest of your moral values.
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Originally posted by serial thriller
I don't ever remember moaning about May being unelected. She is as elected as any party leader can be: she won the support of Tory party members, so fair play. If you don't think May called this because she was certain of a landslide then I can't help you. Why else would she call it now, rather than 6 months ago? Her stock was high, and she thought she'd be coronated. Any loss would be penance for such hubris. Democracy shoudln't ever be taken for granted. I do believe you have changed your tune. And I have never commented on May's reason for calling the election in dialogue with you. Feel free to correct me if otherwise.
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Was Rohypnol available then? Also Funty...How can you not be voting Tory? You make me look like Corbyn's mad ultra Marxist lefty midget that he hides away in his basement.
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
France and the Nordic countries are increasingly voting for right and hard-right parties due to the problems created by the liberal/left parties and the EU. Interesting. Could offer any detail on these problems and of increased voting for right and hard right? It should probably be compared with how such parties have fared comparatively with their counterparts elsewhere in Europe. I believe in all cases the incumbent ruling parties or alliances are left of centre? I would also point out that the Nordics especially sit very high on every ranking of quality of life, in spite of any problems, and this is perhaps the most concrete comparison we have of the impact of such policies compared with more right wing and laissez faire policies.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
France tends to ping pong between left and right more than we do....The real left haven't been in power since the seventies here and Corbyn is its first face since Smith. However the Scandinavian aspect is an interesting one....though its immigration policies are causing rising discontent.....But it does consistently vote left or centralist...Perhaps it's something to do with the regional culture...I don't know. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 May 2017 2.21pm)
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Originally posted by nickgusset
May will be coated on the debate tonight, from all parties. Why won't she defend herself and her policies? Corbyn has played a blinder. Make or break tonight. It's a shame almost none of his party support him. Too much of a Communist for even the Left. Food for thought.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I'm voting Green, because they actually responded to local issues such as closures of the Arthur Hill Swimming Pool, Children centres (9 of the 13) and The After Dark. Which I supported. The Green Party have just the one MP and even if you didn't know it wouldn't be hard to guess that it was in Brighton where the quirky inhabitants are happy to vote for an equally quirky party. The Greens also controlled Brighton council until they made such an almighty mess of it that at the next elections the quirky locals couldn't take any more and went back to Labour. Brighton under the Greens came almost bottom of the councils' recycling league as their record was so poor. So much for the environmentally friendly party
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Also Funty...How can you not be voting Tory? You make me look like Corbyn's mad ultra Marxist lefty midget that he hides away in his basement. There are no characters left in politics. I can remember when there were strong, forceful politicians on both sides - people who actually believed something and fought passionately and persuasively for it. Where are the politicians with the stature of a Thatcher, Benn, Healey, Callaghan, Tebbitt, Shore or even a Major, Kinnock or Foot? Conviction politicians, all of them. Now, it's a choice of a party that is in the thrall of faceless corporate interests, is conceited and utterly non-caring and unashamedly feathers the nests of its own or a party that is run by extra-terrestrial lunatics with only the slenderest grasp of reality, be it economic, social or political. Both parties are stuffed full of under-achievers, nobodies, chancers, the certifiable and egotists with the gravitas and credibility of a cow turd. Both will lead this country into an abyss. Neither of them truly care about "the people" who vote for them. To them, "the people" are objects of scorn and derision. I hold both May and Corbyn (and all their acolytes) in utter contempt. I am truly an equal opportunities 'hater'. Edited by Cucking Funt (31 May 2017 3.55pm)
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It's a shame almost none of his party support him. Too much of a Communist for even the Left. Food for thought. Nonsense Jeremy is a pussy cat. Next Prime Minister after tonight.
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
There are no characters left in politics. I can remember when there were strong, forceful politicians on both sides - people who actually believed something and fought passionately and persuasively for it. Where are the politicians with the stature of a Thatcher, Benn, Healey, Callaghan, Tebbitt, Shore or even a Major, Kinnock or Foot? Conviction politicians, all of them. Now, it's a choice of a party that is in the thrall of faceless corporate interests, is conceited and utterly non-caring and unashamedly feathers the nests of its own or a party that is run by extra-terrestrial lunatics with only the slenderest grasp of reality, be it economic, social or political. Both parties are stuffed full of under-achievers, nobodies, chancers, the certifiable and egotists with the gravitas and credibility of a cow turd. Both will lead this country into an abyss. Neither of them truly care about "the people" who vote for them. To them, "the people" are objects of scorn and derision. I hold both May and Corbyn (and all their acolytes) in utter contempt. I am truly an equal opportunities 'hater'. Edited by Cucking Funt (31 May 2017 3.55pm) I don't think the Liberals will do very well.
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
I don't think the Liberals will do very well. I didn't even factor them in. They are irrelevant.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It's a shame almost none of his party support him. Too much of a Communist for even the Left. Food for thought. Communist. Hahahahahahaha,
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