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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Feb 21 10.18pm

Originally posted by doombear

During last week, Hodgson made a point of saying publicly words to the effect that the team that went out against Burnley had to show that we are not a 1 trick pony called Zaha, and were quite capable of winning without our talisman.

What happened?

The team that went out didn't give a fig.

In the post match interview Hodgson as good as said that he knew the game was lost once the second goal went in (despite there being over 80 minutes left). He didn't believe (and I imagine the players didn't believe) that we could come back and get something from the game. Not surprising when Hodgson sets the team up to keep a clean sheet and hope we can steal a goal from somewhere.

Contrast that with Leeds today. 4-0 down within minutes of the start of the 2nd half. What do they do? They fight tooth and nail to try and get back in the game and manage to score 2 goals. Yes they lost but they never gave up; they kept on attacking Arsenal till the end. On the managerial front. Bielsa put 2 subs on at half time and Leeds played better for him having done so. What a contrast to Palace and Hodgson.

I've had one foot in the 'Roy In' camp for much of this season, but recent performances (including in the two recent wins have left me concluding that Hodgson has to go ASAP). Ideally, SP will have someone lined up who is free and Hodgson will agree to step down or 'move upstairs' till the end of the season so the new man can get stuck in. I suspect, though that Hodgson will stumble on until the end of the season or until our PL status becomes threatened and SP feels compelled to make a change, whichever first occurs.

I suppose Mr Hodgson cannot legislate for his experienced central defender making a complete mess of a routine clearance and then not having the desire or mobility to close down the player who scored the goal.

Or indeed his goalkeeper who stood routed to his line as the ball was headed in from about 4 yards.

The performances in the last 2 games are the worst I have witnessed by any team in the PL this season and I have watched a great deal of matches.

Edited by Willo (14 Feb 2021 10.19pm)

 

thai-eagle Flag chiang mai 14 Feb 21 11.00pm

Roy Hodgson has been a great servant coming in when we really were down on our knees. We are, believe it or not, on 29 points with 24 games played.
But our performances lately have been awful and it seems our team is free falling. Quite simply, the manager has lost the plot looking like a statue when the goals keep pouring in behind our Spanish shot-stopper.
If Roy is unable to change the set-up, someone has to come in and do the necessary changes. Like stopping the suicide 4-4-2 with the two Bs on top (to start with).
I can watch all the PL games live on Thai TV. It is obvious we are by far the weakest team in the league at the moment.

 

the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 15 Feb 21 7.51am

Originally posted by AERO

Brighton game will be his last.

how is he still here after the Burnley game? Should have gone, straight after the game

 

the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 15 Feb 21 7.53am

Originally posted by Willo

I suppose Mr Hodgson cannot legislate for his experienced central defender making a complete mess of a routine clearance and then not having the desire or mobility to close down the player who scored the goal.

Or indeed his goalkeeper who stood routed to his line as the ball was headed in from about 4 yards.

The performances in the last 2 games are the worst I have witnessed by any team in the PL this season and I have watched a great deal of matches.

Edited by Willo (14 Feb 2021 10.19pm)

what about his forwards who couldnt hit a barn door, never mustered a shot on target? Roy keeps on picking the same useless shower week after week...he has to go NOW before its too late

 

jeeagles Flag 15 Feb 21 7.54am

Originally posted by thai-eagle

Roy Hodgson has been a great servant coming in when we really were down on our knees. We are, believe it or not, on 29 points with 24 games played.
But our performances lately have been awful and it seems our team is free falling. Quite simply, the manager has lost the plot looking like a statue when the goals keep pouring in behind our Spanish shot-stopper.
If Roy is unable to change the set-up, someone has to come in and do the necessary changes. Like stopping the suicide 4-4-2 with the two Bs on top (to start with).
I can watch all the PL games live on Thai TV. It is obvious we are by far the weakest team in the league at the moment.

We weren't on our knees. We'd lost 4 games, you'd have expected us to get points vs Huddersfield and Swansea at home and maybe a point away to Burnley, but basically he had a 7 point deficit and a team that just has £80m spent on it plus RLC and TFM brought in on load plus AWB break through. The credit he gets is a huge overstatement.

 

southnorwoodhill Flag 15 Feb 21 9.14am

Roy's deficiencies have been well highlighted, but one thing that I note is his drift back to his beloved 4-4-2, he can't help himself. I thought 4-4-2 was a system utilising / emphasising wingers and wing play, certainly isolating the two players in the centre of midfield is not a good idea in the modern game unless you have players of the sheer technical ability of Xavi and Iniesta.
So what do we have? Our one true winger (injured) playing as a makeshift forward. A forward playing as a right winger, a number ten playing as a left winger.
Also the two forwards need to be combative, mobile, and make the opposition defence work for a living. Benteke and Batshuayi? You're having a laugh, two of the laziest players to wear the shirt.
Go Roy, just go.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Feb 21 9.48am

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Roy's deficiencies have been well highlighted, but one thing that I note is his drift back to his beloved
4-4-2, he can't help himself. I thought 4-4-2 was a system utilising / emphasising wingers and wing play, certainly isolating the two players in the centre of midfield is not a good idea in the modern game unless you have players of the sheer technical ability of Xavi and Iniesta.
So what do we have? Our one true winger (injured) playing as a makeshift forward. A forward playing as a right winger, a number ten playing as a left winger.
Also the two forwards need to be combative, mobile, and make the opposition defence work for a living. Benteke and Batshuayi? You're having a laugh, two of the laziest players to wear the shirt.
Go Roy, just go.

One can play 4-4-2 using a 'Diamond' in midfield but with the width provided by attacking fullbacks.
One can play a more traditional 4-4-2 with once again the full-backs raiding the flanks so one has a more compact '4' in the midfield 'Engine room'.

 

southnorwoodhill Flag 15 Feb 21 10.07am

Originally posted by Willo

One can play 4-4-2 using a 'Diamond' in midfield but with the width provided by attacking fullbacks.
One can play a more traditional 4-4-2 with once again the full-backs raiding the flanks so one has a more compact '4' in the midfield 'Engine room'.

It could be the 'Semi Circular', or 'Equilateral Triangle' or even possibly the 'Parallelogram' system.
No matter, if the players are played out of position. Square pegs round holes.

 

Qwijibo Flag Bournemouth 15 Feb 21 10.15am

Originally posted by Willo

Is Mr Hodgson the main problem or is the aged squad simply not up to the rigours of the PL any more ?

Today it would have probably been very different if we had Zaha,Schlupp and Tomkins in the team.

It is the manager's fault that we have done so little to reduce the average age of the squad.

We have survived since promotion generally on tight margins. Losing more than we win, but when we win they tend to be 1 goal victories with solid defending and a high work rate.

If a single player loses 5% of their energy levels, then these tight margins will erode. When there are multiple players over 30, we are on borrowed time and 1:0 wins will be replaced with 2:0 defeats.

Swansea and Stoke were comfortably established in the league yet fell out of it very suddenly. A team can capitulate in the space of 12 months if one of their pillars of strength is undermined. Mid table one season can become 19th place the next.

 

Qwijibo Flag Bournemouth 15 Feb 21 10.22am

Originally posted by Plaistow Eagle

I honestly can't believe Roy is still in position - after yesterday's debacle I really thought that was it and SP had to act - but nothing..
!!

What is it with SP ain't he seeing what the rest of us are seeing - it's as plain as the nose on your face Roy has lost it.

The players ain't playing for him, he's lost the dressing room and lost the plot and hasn't got a clue how to arrest the downward curve that has been going on for over a year now.

As I have said before the lack of any comments/statement from SP and the board is deafening - something just ain't right.

At this point IMO the inertia of action from the board on Roy staying in post given what is happening in terms of results and performances is bordering on mismanagement and incompetence..!!

COYP


Because he needs a replacement lined up.

The replacement has to be better than the one outgoing, otherwise you end up with Felix Magath.

Lampard was clearly a dead man walking and only given the boot once Tuchel was secured.

 

viveasheagle Flag perth 15 Feb 21 10.26am

We are struggling - i think Roy sent an attacking team to score against Burnley but as soon as we look to be positive the defense has no cover and we look exposed. How many times were Burnley able to hit the ball where PVA had left to go forward and no one was able to cover his position. If we need to stay up just defend and play one up. We will be better when Zaha, Schlupp, Tomkins and McCarthur are back. Ferguson if ever get's fit will also help.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Feb 21 10.30am

Originally posted by Qwijibo

It is the manager's fault that we have done so little to reduce the average age of the squad.

We have survived since promotion generally on tight margins. Losing more than we win, but when we win they tend to be 1 goal victories with solid defending and a high work rate.

If a single player loses 5% of their energy levels, then these tight margins will erode. When there are multiple players over 30, we are on borrowed time and 1:0 wins will be replaced with 2:0 defeats.

Swansea and Stoke were comfortably established in the league yet fell out of it very suddenly. A team can capitulate in the space of 12 months if one of their pillars of strength is undermined. Mid table one season can become 19th place the next.

Speaking in general terms,players who are in the 'Twilight' of their careers have little or indeed no re-sale value and suitable replacements can cost significant sums of money which 'Boards' are unable or unwilling to fund.Cheaper to continue with these older players even if their wages are somewhat elevated.

A manager might deem that the overall age of the squad is too advanced but finances can dictate if any changes can be made to address such a situation.

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 15 Feb 21 10.31am

I will throw another name in the hat of possible replacements, Roger Schmidt of PSV. A manager in the mould of Hussenhuttl. High pressing, fast attacking. Job at PSV may be in doubt. This is the sort of person we should be looking at but, of course, he needs the right type of players. Gallagher anyone?

Edited by Spiderman (15 Feb 2021 10.32am)

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Feb 21 10.44am

Originally posted by Spiderman

I will throw another name in the hat of possible replacements, Roger Schmidt of PSV. A manager in the mould of Hussenhuttl. High pressing, fast attacking. Job at PSV may be in doubt. This is the sort of person we should be looking at but, of course, he needs the right type of players. Gallagher anyone?

Edited by Spiderman (15 Feb 2021 10.32am)

I was speaking to someone about Gallagher after the WBA v Man Utd game.
This gentleman informed me that since the start of last season the player has picked up 20 yellow cards! He collected one in the game yesterday.
Gallagher comes from a family of Chelsea supporters and his hero is Frank Lampard!

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 15 Feb 21 10.44am

Originally posted by Willo

Speaking in general terms,players who are in the 'Twilight' of their careers have little or indeed no re-sale value and suitable replacements can cost significant sums of money which 'Boards' are unable or unwilling to fund.Cheaper to continue with these older players even if their wages are somewhat elevated.

A manager might deem that the overall age of the squad is too advanced but finances can dictate if any changes can be made to address such a situation.

Yes, but as I’ve said all along Roy has been here 4 years with the scouting team around him and had they replaced just 2 players per window where they saw weaknesses we would not be in this mess. Is it arrogance on Roy’s behalf and he keeps telling the management, “yes I can keep this team up with these players” or has he shown genuine concern and banged on the door every window and said, “we need to change x or y because his legs are going”.

I am of the opinion it is the former. 2 players per window, perhaps one old hand to fit Roy’s plan and 1 youngster would have made such a difference but all we have done is add age to age and then bought 1 youngster who may never play football again and Eze who can’t do it on his own. The verdict is out on Mateta who may have come too late anyway.

There seems to be very little forward planning at our club. They have been allowed to grow old together and now, without significant investment we are in real trouble. It would have been so different if they had drip fed some youngsters into the side.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Feb 21 10.56am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Yes, but as I’ve said all along Roy has been here 4 years with the scouting team around him and had they replaced just 2 players per window where they saw weaknesses we would not be in this mess. Is it arrogance on Roy’s behalf and he keeps telling the management, “yes I can keep this team up with these players” or has he shown genuine concern and banged on the door every window and said, “we need to change x or y because his legs are going”.

I am of the opinion it is the former. 2 players per window, perhaps one old hand to fit Roy’s plan and 1 youngster would have made such a difference but all we have done is add age to age and then bought 1 youngster who may never play football again and Eze who can’t do it on his own. The verdict is out on Mateta who may have come too late anyway.

There seems to be very little forward planning at our club. They have been allowed to grow old together and now, without significant investment we are in real trouble. It would have been so different if they had drip fed some youngsters into the side.

I refer back to my comments apropos the replacement of players in the 'Twilight' of their careers.
Perhaps it is a hypothesis worthy of some consideration.

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 15 Feb 21 11.04am

Originally posted by Willo

I refer back to my comments apropos the replacement of players in the 'Twilight' of their careers.
Perhaps it is a hypothesis worthy of some consideration.

The problem is an outcome of our management teams own making.

We all know about players in their twilight years as you like to call it, but they are the ones who chose to employ them approaching that age, so they in turn need to explain what their plan was when the inevitable happened, which is now and very real.

 

PatrickA Flag London 15 Feb 21 11.14am

Spot on.
Hodgson will always prefer a Cahill, McCarthy, Clyne over a younger alternative.
He has championed these signings and is clearly part of the problem.
I'm not saying they are poor players, but their best days are behind them.
Cahill looks like his legs have gone and McCarthy is an injury waiting to happen.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Feb 21 11.15am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

The problem is an outcome of our management teams own making.

We all know about players in their twilight years as you like to call it, but they are the ones who chose to employ them approaching that age, so they in turn need to explain what their plan was when the inevitable happened, which is now and very real.

These players were employed when they were not in the 'Twilight' of their careers.
I cannot comment on why all the players are still at the club and makeup the backbone of the squad.

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 15 Feb 21 11.24am

Originally posted by Willo

I suppose Mr Hodgson cannot legislate for his experienced central defender making a complete mess of a routine clearance and then not having the desire or mobility to close down the player who scored the goal.

Or indeed his goalkeeper who stood routed to his line as the ball was headed in from about 4 yards.

The performances in the last 2 games are the worst I have witnessed by any team in the PL this season and I have watched a great deal of matches.

Edited by Willo (14 Feb 2021 10.19pm)

TBF Guiata was totally blocked off, legally apparently for the header. If Dann does not have the mobility RH shouldn’t have picked him. I agree about the performances although Brighton at home is right up there.
I am not sure if we will stay up. If we do next season could be very long.

 

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