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Originally posted by doombear
During last week, Hodgson made a point of saying publicly words to the effect that the team that went out against Burnley had to show that we are not a 1 trick pony called Zaha, and were quite capable of winning without our talisman. What happened? The team that went out didn't give a fig. In the post match interview Hodgson as good as said that he knew the game was lost once the second goal went in (despite there being over 80 minutes left). He didn't believe (and I imagine the players didn't believe) that we could come back and get something from the game. Not surprising when Hodgson sets the team up to keep a clean sheet and hope we can steal a goal from somewhere. Contrast that with Leeds today. 4-0 down within minutes of the start of the 2nd half. What do they do? They fight tooth and nail to try and get back in the game and manage to score 2 goals. Yes they lost but they never gave up; they kept on attacking Arsenal till the end. On the managerial front. Bielsa put 2 subs on at half time and Leeds played better for him having done so. What a contrast to Palace and Hodgson. I've had one foot in the 'Roy In' camp for much of this season, but recent performances (including in the two recent wins have left me concluding that Hodgson has to go ASAP). Ideally, SP will have someone lined up who is free and Hodgson will agree to step down or 'move upstairs' till the end of the season so the new man can get stuck in. I suspect, though that Hodgson will stumble on until the end of the season or until our PL status becomes threatened and SP feels compelled to make a change, whichever first occurs. I suppose Mr Hodgson cannot legislate for his experienced central defender making a complete mess of a routine clearance and then not having the desire or mobility to close down the player who scored the goal. Or indeed his goalkeeper who stood routed to his line as the ball was headed in from about 4 yards. The performances in the last 2 games are the worst I have witnessed by any team in the PL this season and I have watched a great deal of matches. Edited by Willo (14 Feb 2021 10.19pm)
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Originally posted by AERO
Brighton game will be his last. how is he still here after the Burnley game? Should have gone, straight after the game
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Originally posted by Willo
I suppose Mr Hodgson cannot legislate for his experienced central defender making a complete mess of a routine clearance and then not having the desire or mobility to close down the player who scored the goal. Or indeed his goalkeeper who stood routed to his line as the ball was headed in from about 4 yards. The performances in the last 2 games are the worst I have witnessed by any team in the PL this season and I have watched a great deal of matches. Edited by Willo (14 Feb 2021 10.19pm) what about his forwards who couldnt hit a barn door, never mustered a shot on target? Roy keeps on picking the same useless shower week after week...he has to go NOW before its too late
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Originally posted by thai-eagle
Roy Hodgson has been a great servant coming in when we really were down on our knees. We are, believe it or not, on 29 points with 24 games played. We weren't on our knees. We'd lost 4 games, you'd have expected us to get points vs Huddersfield and Swansea at home and maybe a point away to Burnley, but basically he had a 7 point deficit and a team that just has £80m spent on it plus RLC and TFM brought in on load plus AWB break through. The credit he gets is a huge overstatement.
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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill
Roy's deficiencies have been well highlighted, but one thing that I note is his drift back to his beloved 4-4-2, he can't help himself. I thought 4-4-2 was a system utilising / emphasising wingers and wing play, certainly isolating the two players in the centre of midfield is not a good idea in the modern game unless you have players of the sheer technical ability of Xavi and Iniesta. So what do we have? Our one true winger (injured) playing as a makeshift forward. A forward playing as a right winger, a number ten playing as a left winger. Also the two forwards need to be combative, mobile, and make the opposition defence work for a living. Benteke and Batshuayi? You're having a laugh, two of the laziest players to wear the shirt. Go Roy, just go. One can play 4-4-2 using a 'Diamond' in midfield but with the width provided by attacking fullbacks.
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Originally posted by Willo
One can play 4-4-2 using a 'Diamond' in midfield but with the width provided by attacking fullbacks. It could be the 'Semi Circular', or 'Equilateral Triangle' or even possibly the 'Parallelogram' system.
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Originally posted by Willo
Is Mr Hodgson the main problem or is the aged squad simply not up to the rigours of the PL any more ? It is the manager's fault that we have done so little to reduce the average age of the squad. We have survived since promotion generally on tight margins. Losing more than we win, but when we win they tend to be 1 goal victories with solid defending and a high work rate. If a single player loses 5% of their energy levels, then these tight margins will erode. When there are multiple players over 30, we are on borrowed time and 1:0 wins will be replaced with 2:0 defeats. Swansea and Stoke were comfortably established in the league yet fell out of it very suddenly. A team can capitulate in the space of 12 months if one of their pillars of strength is undermined. Mid table one season can become 19th place the next.
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Originally posted by Plaistow Eagle
I honestly can't believe Roy is still in position - after yesterday's debacle I really thought that was it and SP had to act - but nothing..!! What is it with SP ain't he seeing what the rest of us are seeing - it's as plain as the nose on your face Roy has lost it. The players ain't playing for him, he's lost the dressing room and lost the plot and hasn't got a clue how to arrest the downward curve that has been going on for over a year now. As I have said before the lack of any comments/statement from SP and the board is deafening - something just ain't right. At this point IMO the inertia of action from the board on Roy staying in post given what is happening in terms of results and performances is bordering on mismanagement and incompetence..!! COYP
The replacement has to be better than the one outgoing, otherwise you end up with Felix Magath. Lampard was clearly a dead man walking and only given the boot once Tuchel was secured.
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Originally posted by Qwijibo
It is the manager's fault that we have done so little to reduce the average age of the squad. If a single player loses 5% of their energy levels, then these tight margins will erode. When there are multiple players over 30, we are on borrowed time and 1:0 wins will be replaced with 2:0 defeats. Swansea and Stoke were comfortably established in the league yet fell out of it very suddenly. A team can capitulate in the space of 12 months if one of their pillars of strength is undermined. Mid table one season can become 19th place the next. Speaking in general terms,players who are in the 'Twilight' of their careers have little or indeed no re-sale value and suitable replacements can cost significant sums of money which 'Boards' are unable or unwilling to fund.Cheaper to continue with these older players even if their wages are somewhat elevated. A manager might deem that the overall age of the squad is too advanced but finances can dictate if any changes can be made to address such a situation.
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I will throw another name in the hat of possible replacements, Roger Schmidt of PSV. A manager in the mould of Hussenhuttl. High pressing, fast attacking. Job at PSV may be in doubt. This is the sort of person we should be looking at but, of course, he needs the right type of players. Gallagher anyone? Edited by Spiderman (15 Feb 2021 10.32am) I was speaking to someone about Gallagher after the WBA v Man Utd game.
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Originally posted by Willo
Speaking in general terms,players who are in the 'Twilight' of their careers have little or indeed no re-sale value and suitable replacements can cost significant sums of money which 'Boards' are unable or unwilling to fund.Cheaper to continue with these older players even if their wages are somewhat elevated. A manager might deem that the overall age of the squad is too advanced but finances can dictate if any changes can be made to address such a situation. Yes, but as I’ve said all along Roy has been here 4 years with the scouting team around him and had they replaced just 2 players per window where they saw weaknesses we would not be in this mess. Is it arrogance on Roy’s behalf and he keeps telling the management, “yes I can keep this team up with these players” or has he shown genuine concern and banged on the door every window and said, “we need to change x or y because his legs are going”. I am of the opinion it is the former. 2 players per window, perhaps one old hand to fit Roy’s plan and 1 youngster would have made such a difference but all we have done is add age to age and then bought 1 youngster who may never play football again and Eze who can’t do it on his own. The verdict is out on Mateta who may have come too late anyway. There seems to be very little forward planning at our club. They have been allowed to grow old together and now, without significant investment we are in real trouble. It would have been so different if they had drip fed some youngsters into the side.
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Yes, but as I’ve said all along Roy has been here 4 years with the scouting team around him and had they replaced just 2 players per window where they saw weaknesses we would not be in this mess. Is it arrogance on Roy’s behalf and he keeps telling the management, “yes I can keep this team up with these players” or has he shown genuine concern and banged on the door every window and said, “we need to change x or y because his legs are going”. I am of the opinion it is the former. 2 players per window, perhaps one old hand to fit Roy’s plan and 1 youngster would have made such a difference but all we have done is add age to age and then bought 1 youngster who may never play football again and Eze who can’t do it on his own. The verdict is out on Mateta who may have come too late anyway. There seems to be very little forward planning at our club. They have been allowed to grow old together and now, without significant investment we are in real trouble. It would have been so different if they had drip fed some youngsters into the side. I refer back to my comments apropos the replacement of players in the 'Twilight' of their careers.
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Originally posted by Willo
I refer back to my comments apropos the replacement of players in the 'Twilight' of their careers. The problem is an outcome of our management teams own making. We all know about players in their twilight years as you like to call it, but they are the ones who chose to employ them approaching that age, so they in turn need to explain what their plan was when the inevitable happened, which is now and very real.
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
The problem is an outcome of our management teams own making. We all know about players in their twilight years as you like to call it, but they are the ones who chose to employ them approaching that age, so they in turn need to explain what their plan was when the inevitable happened, which is now and very real. These players were employed when they were not in the 'Twilight' of their careers.
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Originally posted by Willo
I suppose Mr Hodgson cannot legislate for his experienced central defender making a complete mess of a routine clearance and then not having the desire or mobility to close down the player who scored the goal. Or indeed his goalkeeper who stood routed to his line as the ball was headed in from about 4 yards. The performances in the last 2 games are the worst I have witnessed by any team in the PL this season and I have watched a great deal of matches. Edited by Willo (14 Feb 2021 10.19pm) TBF Guiata was totally blocked off, legally apparently for the header. If Dann does not have the mobility RH shouldn’t have picked him. I agree about the performances although Brighton at home is right up there.
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