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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 25 Jun 16 6.14pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Michael, the In voters have been bad losers. Incredibly condescending and bitter. Your (the remain group) message wasn't convincing and you don't understand people's concerns. I am an "in" voter and I am neither condescending or bitter. I am angry and ashamed. That the remain campaign did not make it's point terribly well is no reason at all why we should now leave the EU. It is far too important to be at the mercy of the success, or not, of the spin doctors. The leave campaign was much more vocal and politicised, but it told lies, lots of very big lies. Maybe people's concerns weren't well understood, but this was not a vote on people's concerns. We have general elections to do that. This was about our future, and that of our children and grandchildren. I accept that some genuinely believe that future will be better outside the EU. I think they are wrong, but respect that they genuinely believe that. Many though did NOT vote on that issue. They voted on their "concerns". Now the chickens are coming home to roost we are already seeing the tide of opinion shifting the other way. That tide will reach flood proportions if the inevitable recession takes hold and the austerity caused by the last one intensifies. Our parliament has a constitutional duty to stop that, even at the expense of their own political futures. I urge every remain supporter to contact their MP to demand a second referendum, and for a petition to be mounted for a debate on this asap. If the Scots can have a second one, so can we.
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| blackpalacefan 25 Jun 16 6.15pm |
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Originally posted by tome
Not sure I follow this - as others have pointed out, the Leave side have backtracked a bit from some of the figures they've used and on immigration numbers being reduced as a consequence of leaving. Also, not sure what your point about minimum wage is - these are all roughly the same when you take into account exchange rates. This. It's looking more and more like Johnson, Hannon and company are favouring EEA. This will mean that we will retain freedom of movement. It was never about slowing immigrantion for them anyway, they dont give a s*** about that. They dont have 'poor people concerns' they just used the poor. The People have been duped and will soon find out much to their own detriment.
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Kermit8  Hevon 25 Jun 16 6.19pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Michael, poor answer. What about my question about Remain's vision for Britain following a remain vote? Where is the answer to that? Where has that 70 million figure come from? Is it factoring in emigration from the EU or is it, like most things you post, a figure plucked out of some half arsed propaganda you have half read and use as fact? And where did Leave claim it would help with the housing crisis? Please help me to answer your deflection question. Any silence will be interpreted as 'I haven't got a f***ing clue on I am wittering on about. Again'. Edited by matt_himself (25 Jun 2016 5.18pm)
2mill plus from more old people Your reply was what I expected. Jittery and avoiding the point and being obtuse, as usual. Edited by Kermit8 (25 Jun 2016 6.23pm)
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| Kermit8 Hevon 25 Jun 16 6.22pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Wasn't that the survey where 17 of them didn't even bother replying? No only three stayed neutral. 22 thought leaving with have either a fairly big negative impact or a smaller one ( eleven a side)
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| matt_himself Matataland 25 Jun 16 6.35pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
2mill plus from more old people Your reply was what I expected. Jittery and avoiding the point and being obtuse, as usual. Edited by Kermit8 (25 Jun 2016 6.23pm) By being 'obtuse', you mean I am questioning your statistics? I am asking for proof of what you claim is true? Pathetic Michael. Well it would appear from your link, that immigration is key driver for that 70 million figure and one would assume that the Leave campaign is claiming that exiting the EU gives us more control over immigration, not the open door policy at present, and therefore if immigration can be curbed, there should be more houses. Now, when are you going to reply to my question to you earlier today regarding what was Remain's vision for Britain at this referendum following an in vote? One cannot help but think you don't know or couldn't find it because it doesn't exist and you don't want to say that. Failure to reply will be taken as 'I haven't a f***ing clue'.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 25 Jun 16 6.40pm |
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Originally posted by blackpalacefan
"Sky News has learnt that the billionaire tycoon Wilbur Ross, who is among seven bidders shortlisted for Tata Steel's UK business, has signalled that exiting the EU would diminish the prospects of him pursuing a takeover. A number of other prospective buyers are understood to have similar concerns about the potential impact of Brexit on global demand for steel, the robustness of new trade deals negotiated by the Government, and the ability to sell steel produced in the UK in the European single market. "Wilbur has been reasonably open that this deal is far less attractive if Brexit happens," said a person who has discussed the Tata Steel situation with Mr Ross. Sources said this weekend that Tata Steel, which employs roughly 11,000 people in the UK, had raised the possibility of putting its British business into some form of liquidation, although they added that no decisions had been taken." [Link] Looking for a better deal (price)? Merkel and Hollande would prefer to bring calm to markets than allow a downturn that would damage demand for QUALITY UK steel and not cheap junk. EU countries export to us, we to them. UK imports 20% of German cars. Germany and France hold General Elections next year. How do you reckon they'll play that one? Juncker's way? Or their way, protecting German and French industry and jobs?
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| Kermit8 Hevon 25 Jun 16 6.45pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
By being 'obtuse', you mean I am questioning your statistics? I am asking for proof of what you claim is true? Pathetic Michael. Well it would appear from your link, that immigration is key driver for that 70 million figure and one would assume that the Leave campaign is claiming that exiting the EU gives us more control over immigration, not the open door policy at present, and therefore if immigration can be curbed, there should be more houses. Now, when are you going to reply to my question to you earlier today regarding what was Remain's vision for Britain at this referendum following an in vote? One cannot help but think you don't know or couldn't find it because it doesn't exist and you don't want to say that. Failure to reply will be taken as 'I haven't a f***ing clue'. We don't have an open door policy for non-eu migrants and our people are getting older. Quibble if you want. How can there be more houses for people if there are going to be an extra 4-5mill anyway EU or non-EU? You really are a like a dog chasing your tail on this one. I'd give up now if I were you. I did answer your 'Remain' point. You just chose not to see it.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Jun 16 6.46pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Because she's an interviewer without substance. The £350m a week figure was shown to be inaccurate early in the campaign and Leave dropped it, tacitly admitting it to be so. So why harp on about it now? And for her to suggest that that claim influenced people's voting intentions is, frankly, an insult to the intelligence.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Jun 16 6.51pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Did you or did you not say that NO 2EU were a left wing organisation? You did. Therefore to say my sort were against leaving is contradicting yourself. Still waiting...
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| blackpalacefan 25 Jun 16 6.51pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Looking for a better deal (price)? Merkel and Hollande would prefer to bring calm to markets than allow a downturn that would damage demand for QUALITY UK steel and not cheap junk. EU countries export to us, we to them. UK imports 20% of German cars. Germany and France hold General Elections next year. How do you reckon they'll play that one? Juncker's way? Or their way, protecting German and French industry and jobs? Germany has to weigh up whether it's more damaging for them to give us ropey trade agreements to show what happens when you leave the EU, or to give us parity. That's a decision that's for them, we now have little say in it. With a trading block vs one country though we would feel the damage more than any of them individually. It's likely all academic though as 'leave' appears to be moving towards an EEA deal which will involve freedom of movement anyway. The vote was the leave the EU. Whatever they do after that is down to them and They're trying to freeze Farage out of talks. Hannan and co are starting to talk down ideas of a radical decline in immigration and talk up EEA. The people got played. As if they ever cared about the working classes. No party does.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 25 Jun 16 6.56pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Nick, on QT he said "He'd like to spend it on schools, NHS, hospitals, GP's." On ITV's morning sofa s***V he said he "couldn't guarantee it." He then said "it's free money THAT COULD BE spent on the schools, the NHS, whatever it is." What is the problem? Someone who will not be able to decide govt spending anyway, just highlight money saved and where it could be spent.
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| matt_himself Matataland 25 Jun 16 6.56pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
We don't have an open door policy for non-eu migrants and our people are getting older. Quibble if you want. How can there be more houses for people if there are going to be an extra 4-5mill anyway EU or non-EU? You really are a like a dog chasing your tail on this one. I'd give up now if I were you. I did answer your 'Remain' point. You just chose not to see it. Read back what you have written. It makes no sense. If we are out of the EU, there will be less EU immigrants, ergo, more housing for those already in the country. If we are in the EU, more EU immigrants will come to the country and, ergo, there will be less housing available. Please point me in the direction of your response on the vision for Britain given by Remain because I cannot find it.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| matt_himself Matataland 25 Jun 16 6.57pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Still waiting... Is that directed to me? If so, answered. Go back and look. Jog on Gusset. Edited by matt_himself (25 Jun 2016 6.58pm)
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Jun 16 7.09pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Is that directed to me? If so, answered. Go back and look. Jog on Gusset. Edited by matt_himself (25 Jun 2016 6.58pm) Nope just concede that there were some of 'my sort' that were brexiters for socialist reasons. You didn't answer before, just parrots something about Corbyns politics being adolescent.
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| blackpalacefan 25 Jun 16 7.10pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Read back what you have written. It makes no sense. If we are out of the EU, there will be less EU immigrants, ergo, more housing for those already in the country. If we are in the EU, more EU immigrants will come to the country and, ergo, there will be less housing available. Please point me in the direction of your response on the vision for Britain given by Remain because I cannot find it. What about if we join the EEA? Same freedom of movement requirements I believe. I'm interested in knowing what the plan is for lowing EU immigration post EU exit?
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| matt_himself Matataland 25 Jun 16 7.20pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Nope just concede that there were some of 'my sort' that were brexiters for socialist reasons. You didn't answer before, just parrots something about Corbyns politics being adolescent. Hmm...reviving something I answered about 20 pages ago. Gusset is spoiling for fight everyone.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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 becky over the moon 25 Jun 16 7.22pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Standing down UK'S EU Commissioner Lord Hill ""I came to Brussels as someone who had campaigned against Britain joining the euro and who was sceptical about Europe. But, obviously, the 17million know better than this fella. With a basic salary of around £140,000 p.a. and a guaranteed 40-65% of final salary for a max of 3 years as a 'transitional' allowance his return to the UK will be very good for our economy........ he'll be spending it here!
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| matt_himself Matataland 25 Jun 16 7.23pm |
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Originally posted by blackpalacefan
What about if we join the EEA? Same freedom of movement requirements I believe. I'm interested in knowing what the plan is for lowing EU immigration post EU exit? I don't know - I cannot guess the exact outcome of Brexit negotiations and I have already said I don't think we will leave the EU and that a deal will be done. I was asked by Michael to interpret what someone in Leave said. I didn't say I agreed with it, I agreed with very little the Leave campaign said during the Referendum. If they had stuck to the fact that the EU is corrupt and beyond reform, that would have sat a lot more comfortably with me.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| Kermit8 Hevon 25 Jun 16 7.26pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Read back what you have written. It makes no sense. If we are out of the EU, there will be less EU immigrants, ergo, more housing for those already in the country. If we are in the EU, more EU immigrants will come to the country and, ergo, there will be less housing available. Please point me in the direction of your response on the vision for Britain given by Remain because I cannot find it. Jeez. You really don't get it do you. Normally i know you are just being mischievous but on this you really are having a mathematical brain freeze, aren't you? The pressure on housing is only going in one direction and that is up. 4-5 million extra people by 2027 who have nothing to do with the EU will be around the UK (just England and Wales and NI possibly). Unless you want to EUthanase the over 80's. Leave claiming that 'exit' would alleviate the pressure on housing was, basically, wrong and disingenuous. It will only increase as you well know. The housing crisis is a separate issue from the EU. To marry the two is avoiding the critical issue of how to solve it.
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| blackpalacefan 25 Jun 16 7.31pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I don't know - I cannot guess the exact outcome of Brexit negotiations and I have already said I don't think we will leave the EU and that a deal will be done. I was asked by Michael to interpret what someone in Leave said. I didn't say I agreed with it, I agreed with very little the Leave campaign said during the Referendum. If they had stuck to the fact that the EU is corrupt and beyond reform, that would have sat a lot more comfortably with me. Thanks for your thoughts. I'm as in the dark as you are about it all.. I wouldn't be surprised if we left but I'm not sure if politicians will agree on anything substantially different to what we have now. Time will tell. And yes and in and out campaigns did themselves no favours with how they sold their vision to people.
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