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Ouzo Dan Behind you 31 May 17 8.50pm
Watching the audience fawn over everything that falls out the mouth of Corbyn is proof enough it's selection is weighted in favour of the left. The mountains are calling & I must go.

Ouzo Dan

Behind you 31 May 17 8.50pm

Watching the audience fawn over everything that falls out the mouth of Corbyn is proof enough it's selection is weighted in favour of the left.

The mountains are calling & I must go.

Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 31 May 17 8.55pm
Originally posted by Ouzo Dan Watching the audience fawn over everything that falls out the mouth of Corbyn is proof enough it's selection is weighted in favour of the left. Perhaps; it's just as likely that most of the audience is liking what he says. Given the way the BBC has sniped away at Labour during the campaign (just read Laura Kuessenberg's comments every day for evidence), I doubt the Beeb would have gone out of its way to rig things in Jezza's favour. Not that 100 people in a hall in Cambridge will have much bearing on a general election. Edited by Mr_Gristle (31 May 2017 8.55pm) Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

Mr_Gristle

In the land of Whelk Eaters 31 May 17 8.55pm

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

Watching the audience fawn over everything that falls out the mouth of Corbyn is proof enough it's selection is weighted in favour of the left.

Perhaps; it's just as likely that most of the audience is liking what he says.

Given the way the BBC has sniped away at Labour during the campaign (just read Laura Kuessenberg's comments every day for evidence), I doubt the Beeb would have gone out of its way to rig things in Jezza's favour.

Not that 100 people in a hall in Cambridge will have much bearing on a general election.

Edited by Mr_Gristle (31 May 2017 8.55pm)

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

davenotamonkey 31 May 17 8.57pm
Originally posted by europalace well, on a relative level Nuttall shouldn't be there. He's clearly not educated or experienced enough to be anywhere near this kind of exposure, truy an embarrassment but no surprise really. Strangely he seems to be the only one up there that knows what the first "I" in ISIS stands for. That's racist, apparently, because of two incidents perpetrated by white people. Audience lapped it up though. This whole debate, the audience and moderation is "truy" (sic) an embarrassment. Well done to the BBC.

davenotamonkey

31 May 17 8.57pm

Originally posted by europalace

well, on a relative level Nuttall shouldn't be there. He's clearly not educated or experienced enough to be anywhere near this kind of exposure, truy an embarrassment but no surprise really.

Strangely he seems to be the only one up there that knows what the first "I" in ISIS stands for. That's racist, apparently, because of two incidents perpetrated by white people. Audience lapped it up though.

This whole debate, the audience and moderation is "truy" (sic) an embarrassment. Well done to the BBC.

davenotamonkey 31 May 17 9.01pm
Originally posted by Mr_Gristle Wasn't the programme opened with a clear statement of how "a well known polling agency" had carefully selected the audience to be as balanced as possible? I agree with you that May was wise to stay away - Amber Rudd is being monstered but it's not her who's the figurehead of the Tory campaign. "well known polling agencies" also predicted, each and every one of them, a Hilary landslide. These debates have previous form in selection bias, specifically the BBC debate last GE. It is painfully, painfully evident in this case.

davenotamonkey

31 May 17 9.01pm

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

Wasn't the programme opened with a clear statement of how "a well known polling agency" had carefully selected the audience to be as balanced as possible?

I agree with you that May was wise to stay away - Amber Rudd is being monstered but it's not her who's the figurehead of the Tory campaign.

"well known polling agencies" also predicted, each and every one of them, a Hilary landslide. These debates have previous form in selection bias, specifically the BBC debate last GE. It is painfully, painfully evident in this case.

hedgehog50 Croydon 31 May 17 9.01pm
Originally posted by Mr_Gristle Perhaps; it's just as likely that most of the audience is liking what he says. Given the way the BBC has sniped away at Labour during the campaign (just read Laura Kuessenberg's comments every day for evidence), I doubt the Beeb would have gone out of its way to rig things in Jezza's favour. Not that 100 people in a hall in Cambridge will have much bearing on a general election. Edited by Mr_Gristle (31 May 2017 8.55pm) Shame most of his MPs don't like what he says - if they did, perhaps we could take him more seriously. tho We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 31 May 17 9.01pm

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

Perhaps; it's just as likely that most of the audience is liking what he says.

Not that 100 people in a hall in Cambridge will have much bearing on a general election.

Edited by Mr_Gristle (31 May 2017 8.55pm)

Shame most of his MPs don't like what he says - if they did, perhaps we could take him more seriously. tho

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Mstrobez 31 May 17 9.01pm
Seriously even if you are the most loyal Tory in the world, how can anyone possibly defend Theresa May not participating in this leaders debate? I think it's a disgrace for anyone to claim they are the strongest leader yet too weak and scared to debate anyone. Mental We're the Arthur over ere!

Mstrobez

31 May 17 9.01pm

Seriously even if you are the most loyal Tory in the world, how can anyone possibly defend Theresa May not participating in this leaders debate? I think it's a disgrace for anyone to claim they are the strongest leader yet too weak and scared to debate anyone. Mental

We're the Arthur over ere!

elgrande bedford 31 May 17 9.03pm
Originally posted by Mstrobez Seriously even if you are the most loyal Tory in the world, how can anyone possibly defend Theresa May not participating in this leaders debate? I think it's a disgrace for anyone to claim they are the strongest leader yet too weak and scared to debate anyone. Mental As has been said,I hardly think the audience were "split"..heavily weighted in corbyns favour.. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 31 May 17 9.03pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

As has been said,I hardly think the audience were "split"..heavily weighted in corbyns favour..

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 31 May 17 9.04pm
Originally posted by Mr_Gristle Wasn't the programme opened with a clear statement of how "a well known polling agency" had carefully selected the audience to be as balanced as possible? I agree with you that May was wise to stay away - Amber Rudd is being monstered but it's not her who's the figurehead of the Tory campaign. I didn't watch it as I was out with dog but listened to the first part and whilst she was hardly rapier like, she seemed safe enough. the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 31 May 17 9.04pm

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

Wasn't the programme opened with a clear statement of how "a well known polling agency" had carefully selected the audience to be as balanced as possible?

I agree with you that May was wise to stay away - Amber Rudd is being monstered but it's not her who's the figurehead of the Tory campaign.

I didn't watch it as I was out with dog but listened to the first part and whilst she was hardly rapier like, she seemed safe enough.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

Mstrobez 31 May 17 9.05pm
Originally posted by elgrande As has been said,I hardly think the audience were "split"..heavily weighted in corbyns favour.. So what even if that were true? The entire media has been against Corbyn from day one. How arrogant can you be to just decide "na don't fancy that". I still think the Tories will win comfortably but I think the women is weak as anything. We're the Arthur over ere!

Mstrobez

31 May 17 9.05pm

Originally posted by elgrande

As has been said,I hardly think the audience were "split"..heavily weighted in corbyns favour..

So what even if that were true? The entire media has been against Corbyn from day one. How arrogant can you be to just decide "na don't fancy that". I still think the Tories will win comfortably but I think the women is weak as anything.

We're the Arthur over ere!

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 31 May 17 9.08pm
Originally posted by Mstrobez Seriously even if you are the most loyal Tory in the world, how can anyone possibly defend Theresa May not participating in this leaders debate? I think it's a disgrace for anyone to claim they are the strongest leader yet too weak and scared to debate anyone. Mental She has more sense than to stand amongst those other idiots that cannot debate and with the "hand" picked audience it makes it all one big joke. Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 31 May 17 9.08pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Seriously even if you are the most loyal Tory in the world, how can anyone possibly defend Theresa May not participating in this leaders debate? I think it's a disgrace for anyone to claim they are the strongest leader yet too weak and scared to debate anyone. Mental

She has more sense than to stand amongst those other idiots that cannot debate and with the "hand" picked audience it makes it all one big joke.

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

elgrande bedford 31 May 17 9.08pm
Originally posted by Mstrobez So what even if that were true? The entire media has been against Corbyn from day one. How arrogant can you be to just decide "na don't fancy that". I still think the Tories will win comfortably but I think the women is weak as anything. To a certain extent I agree with you,I'm in the Cucking camp. I think none of them are worth my vote....all w***ers in different shades. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 31 May 17 9.08pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

To a certain extent I agree with you,I'm in the Cucking camp.
I think none of them are worth my vote....all w***ers in different shades.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

hedgehog50 Croydon 31 May 17 9.09pm
Originally posted by Mstrobez Seriously even if you are the most loyal Tory in the world, how can anyone possibly defend Theresa May not participating in this leaders debate? I think it's a disgrace for anyone to claim they are the strongest leader yet too weak and scared to debate anyone. Mental Sturgeon wasn't there either, can anyone possibly defend her? Is she a disgrace too. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 31 May 17 9.09pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Sturgeon wasn't there either, can anyone possibly defend her? Is she a disgrace too.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 31 May 17 9.11pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Sturgeon wasn't there either, can anyone possibly defend her? Is she a disgrace too. She is one big disgrace anyway just a poisoned dwarf who is full of wind. Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 31 May 17 9.11pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Sturgeon wasn't there either, can anyone possibly defend her? Is she a disgrace too.

She is one big disgrace anyway just a poisoned dwarf who is full of wind.

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

elgrande bedford 31 May 17 9.11pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Sturgeon wasn't there either, can anyone possibly defend her? Is she a disgrace too. Couldn't go..the krankies had a gig. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 31 May 17 9.11pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Sturgeon wasn't there either, can anyone possibly defend her? Is she a disgrace too.

Couldn't go..the krankies had a gig.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

Mstrobez 31 May 17 9.13pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Sturgeon wasn't there either, can anyone possibly defend her? Is she a disgrace too. She's not PM and from what I can remember hasn't explicitly refused to attend any TV debate. If Sturgeon holds the same position then yes she is also an embarrassment but Theresa May far more. This is the women who's whole campaign is based around a strong government and weak opposition, she literally has nothing else to stand on. Yet she refuses to ever answer a question, performs u turn after u turn and doesn't even have the guts to stand up and debate, mainly the man she has done nothing but insult since becoming PM. It's sad that so many people feel they don't have any alternative to her and sad that the British people feel they have to put up with someone who shows such contempt and arrogance. She's called a general election on that she's made clear she has no intention of fighting, arrogantly trusting that throwing s*** at Corbyn will be enough for her mandate. Sorry state of affairs. We're the Arthur over ere!

Mstrobez

31 May 17 9.13pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Sturgeon wasn't there either, can anyone possibly defend her? Is she a disgrace too.

She's not PM and from what I can remember hasn't explicitly refused to attend any TV debate. If Sturgeon holds the same position then yes she is also an embarrassment but Theresa May far more. This is the women who's whole campaign is based around a strong government and weak opposition, she literally has nothing else to stand on. Yet she refuses to ever answer a question, performs u turn after u turn and doesn't even have the guts to stand up and debate, mainly the man she has done nothing but insult since becoming PM. It's sad that so many people feel they don't have any alternative to her and sad that the British people feel they have to put up with someone who shows such contempt and arrogance. She's called a general election on that she's made clear she has no intention of fighting, arrogantly trusting that throwing s*** at Corbyn will be enough for her mandate. Sorry state of affairs.

We're the Arthur over ere!

Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 31 May 17 9.13pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch I didn't watch it as I was out with dog but listened to the first part and whilst she was hardly rapier like, she seemed safe enough. I think she played a terrible hand as well as she could, to be fair. I did well enough on my cliché bingo card. Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

Mr_Gristle

In the land of Whelk Eaters 31 May 17 9.13pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

I didn't watch it as I was out with dog but listened to the first part and whilst she was hardly rapier like, she seemed safe enough.

I think she played a terrible hand as well as she could, to be fair. I did well enough on my cliché bingo card.

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

davenotamonkey 31 May 17 9.13pm
Originally posted by Mstrobez Seriously even if you are the most loyal Tory in the world, how can anyone possibly defend Theresa May not participating in this leaders debate? I think it's a disgrace for anyone to claim they are the strongest leader yet too weak and scared to debate anyone. Mental It's almost like she doesn't debate during PMQ's each and every week. Was Wee Kranky also "too weak and scared"? Corbyn only decided to join the debate this morning. Was he too "weak and scared" until this morning? Then Seamus fed him his Shredded Wheat, sorry, Granola, and then he got all brave? A BBC debate is merely one of many engagements with the public during the GE. To suggest that a BBC badge somehow endorses this as THE debate of the election is a little sad. If anything, I hope today has killed this pointless showcasing inheritance from US politics.

davenotamonkey

31 May 17 9.13pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

It's almost like she doesn't debate during PMQ's each and every week. Was Wee Kranky also "too weak and scared"? Corbyn only decided to join the debate this morning. Was he too "weak and scared" until this morning? Then Seamus fed him his Shredded Wheat, sorry, Granola, and then he got all brave?

A BBC debate is merely one of many engagements with the public during the GE. To suggest that a BBC badge somehow endorses this as *THE* debate of the election is a little sad. If anything, I hope today has killed this pointless showcasing inheritance from US politics.

Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 31 May 17 9.14pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Sturgeon wasn't there either, can anyone possibly defend her? Is she a disgrace too. Yes, with tartan knobs on. Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

Mr_Gristle

In the land of Whelk Eaters 31 May 17 9.14pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Sturgeon wasn't there either, can anyone possibly defend her? Is she a disgrace too.

Yes, with tartan knobs on.

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

Mstrobez 31 May 17 9.15pm
Originally posted by susmik She has more sense than to stand amongst those other idiots that cannot debate and with the "hand" picked audience it makes it all one big joke. The thing is I've seen your previous posts and you're not stupid so surely you don't really believe that's the reason do you? She doesn't want to debate because she doesn't have the nerve or skill set, simple as that. We're the Arthur over ere!

Mstrobez

31 May 17 9.15pm

Originally posted by susmik

She has more sense than to stand amongst those other idiots that cannot debate and with the "hand" picked audience it makes it all one big joke.

The thing is I've seen your previous posts and you're not stupid so surely you don't really believe that's the reason do you? She doesn't want to debate because she doesn't have the nerve or skill set, simple as that.

We're the Arthur over ere!

Mstrobez 31 May 17 9.19pm
Originally posted by davenotamonkey It's almost like she doesn't debate during PMQ's each and every week. Was Wee Kranky also "too weak and scared"? Corbyn only decided to join the debate this morning. Was he too "weak and scared" until this morning? Then Seamus fed him his Shredded Wheat, sorry, Granola, and then he got all brave? A BBC debate is merely one of many engagements with the public during the GE. To suggest that a BBC badge somehow endorses this as THE debate of the election is a little sad. If anything, I hope today has killed this pointless showcasing inheritance from US politics. She won't participate in any televised debate. She cannot campaign to the electorate without carefully choosing who will challenge her and the scale of the challenge. She hasn't had to face a flicker of scrutiny since calling this election on. Forget what side you're on, this is clear. We're the Arthur over ere!

Mstrobez

31 May 17 9.19pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

She won't participate in any televised debate. She cannot campaign to the electorate without carefully choosing who will challenge her and the scale of the challenge. She hasn't had to face a flicker of scrutiny since calling this election on. Forget what side you're on, this is clear.

We're the Arthur over ere!

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